VenomarX Posted May 8 #1 Share Posted May 8 (edited) So, if it were up to Macron and some people in the US yes, but are we going through with this? Are they all mad? What's your opinion? Edited May 8 by VenomarX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+susieice Posted May 8 #2 Share Posted May 8 I doubt we'll send troops to Ukraine unless Putin goes after other NATO members. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VenomarX Posted May 8 Author #3 Share Posted May 8 (edited) My thoughts exactly, but there's more talk about that. There were news that Democrats in the US Congress were considering sending troops if Ukraine were to come close to lose the war. I'm in Europe, so I don't know exactly what's being said there but tose were some of the news. Edited May 8 by VenomarX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ell Posted May 8 #4 Share Posted May 8 We are ruled by sociopaths. They by definition are non compos mentis. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted May 8 #5 Share Posted May 8 1 hour ago, VenomarX said: My thoughts exactly, but there's more talk about that. There were news that Democrats in the US Congress were considering sending troops if Ukraine were to come close to lose the war. I'm in Europe, so I don't know exactly what's being said there but tose were some of the news. My grandson is in Poland right now with the U.S. armored cavalry and the only thing they are waiting for is if Putty tries to enter any surrounding country beyond Ukraine. But @Trelane is more up to date. 1 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pellinore Posted May 8 #6 Share Posted May 8 1 minute ago, Piney said: My grandson is in Poland right now with the U.S. armored cavalry and the only thing they are waiting for is if Putty tries to enter any surrounding country beyond Ukraine. But @Trelane is more up to date. I can see your point of view, and I am sorry your grandson is in harm's way, but to lose Ukraine will empower Putin. I don't think there has been an example in history where appeasing a dictator has been a successful strategy. The UN has said from the beginning that the invasion was illegal, and Zelensky has asked for them to show some power. It is also possible a bit of NATO air power over the battlefield for a year would save tens of hundreds of thousands of lives in the long run. None of the outcomes are pleasant, but it could all be solved in 24 hours by one man. Except he isn't sane. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trelane Posted May 8 #7 Share Posted May 8 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Piney said: My grandson is in Poland right now with the U.S. armored cavalry and the only thing they are waiting for is if Putty tries to enter any surrounding country beyond Ukraine. But @Trelane is more up to date. As of now there are zero intentions to send US troops into Ukraine for any combat purposes. The shift of troops to Poland pre-dated the Russian invasion by several years. The US is keenly aware of how any US direct involvement could be perceived and used as fuel for a larger scale war. The tightrope act continues. The increased presence and emphasis of training events there are certainly a show of force to deter any other Russian moves of aggression. Edited May 8 by Trelane 4 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatetopa Posted May 9 #8 Share Posted May 9 Relax for today. Imagine Putin saying Russia will never use nuclear weapons. He may never, but he will not say so, or he would lose their greatest value as a deterrent. If Russia launches, it is game over for the modern world and tough times for survivors including those in Russia. You can bet there are two or three targeted at Putin all the time where ever he goes. it gives us pause to consider the repercussions.. Putin threatens nuclear war and NATO says sending troops to Ukraine is on the table. They are useful threats, but both more useful as deterrents. Far more of a deterrent than saying NATO will never send troops under any conditions. I used to believe Russians were just like us, but I have seen their government sacrifice a couple hundred thousand young men in meat wave attacks of untrained poorly armed cannon fodder. I read Russian propaganda outlets talking about reviving the glory of the Russian empire complete with Ukraine, Poland, the Baltic states, Georgia, and stomping the breakaway republics like Chechnya. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+joc Posted May 9 #9 Share Posted May 9 1 hour ago, Tatetopa said: Relax for today. Imagine Putin saying Russia will never use nuclear weapons. He may never, but he will not say so, or he would lose their greatest value as a deterrent. If Russia launches, it is game over for the modern world and tough times for survivors including those in Russia. You can bet there are two or three targeted at Putin all the time where ever he goes. it gives us pause to consider the repercussions.. Putin threatens nuclear war and NATO says sending troops to Ukraine is on the table. They are useful threats, but both more useful as deterrents. Far more of a deterrent than saying NATO will never send troops under any conditions. I used to believe Russians were just like us, but I have seen their government sacrifice a couple hundred thousand young men in meat wave attacks of untrained poorly armed cannon fodder. I read Russian propaganda outlets talking about reviving the glory of the Russian empire complete with Ukraine, Poland, the Baltic states, Georgia, and stomping the breakaway republics like Chechnya. My English teacher told us that Russia was just like us. That was in 1975 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatetopa Posted May 9 #10 Share Posted May 9 1 hour ago, joc said: My English teacher told us that Russia was just like us. That was in 1975 Mine too I think. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+joc Posted May 9 #11 Share Posted May 9 14 minutes ago, Tatetopa said: Mine too I think. She said she'd been to Russia. Just like here she said. Every one has a TV, boomboxes, everyone has cars and they go to work and the movies just like we do. She never mentioned freedom of speech, religion, etc 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatetopa Posted May 9 #12 Share Posted May 9 26 minutes ago, joc said: She said she'd been to Russia. Just like here she said. Every one has a TV, boomboxes, everyone has cars and they go to work and the movies just like we do. She never mentioned freedom of speech, religion, etc I gotta say Russians lost no time in looting Ukrainian appliances and sent them home to family. Infrastructure failures like flooding and heat failures during the winter seem to show a society of people controlled and looted by oligarchs led by Putin. Its good to be president. https://www.foxbusiness.com/fox-news-world/putins-net-worth-rivals-elon-musk-cobweb-bank-accounts-assets-hides-full-value-expert-says Putin's net worth 'rivals Elon Musk,' but 'cobweb' of bank accounts, assets hides his full value, expert says Vladimir Putin's net worth is estimated to be between $70 billion and $200 billion 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trelane Posted May 9 #13 Share Posted May 9 The posture the US is currently taking is as political as it is strategic. Even more so really. President Biden was one of the key movers and shakers involved with the Obama administration the phased withdrawal plans of action for Iraq. Likewise we have all seen his plan of action as President for the withdrawal of forces from Afghanistan. Politically speaking it would not look good for his or his party's platform (in a presidential election year) by getting out of two long standing areas of persistent operations, only to get into another and likely more costly one. I do believe he is being properly advised of both the strategic and political implications of direct involvement with the NSC and Joint Chiefs weighing the options based off the rapidly changing variables on the global stage. I'm not saying I agree or disagree with those policies. It simply is what it is. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted May 9 #14 Share Posted May 9 16 hours ago, pellinore said: I can see your point of view, and I am sorry your grandson is in harm's way, but to lose Ukraine will empower Putin. I don't think there has been an example in history where appeasing a dictator has been a successful strategy. The UN has said from the beginning that the invasion was illegal, and Zelensky has asked for them to show some power. It is also possible a bit of NATO air power over the battlefield for a year would save tens of hundreds of thousands of lives in the long run. None of the outcomes are pleasant, but it could all be solved in 24 hours by one man. Except he isn't sane. I personally think MI6 and the SAS should take Putty out. Then we need to hang all his Neocon tools in the U.S. and UK as traitors. As for Putty using nukes, rumor has it MI6 already crippled that option. But what would one of Simon Mann's ex subcontractors know? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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