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Jewish children savagely beaten by man in New York City attack


Kittens Are Jerks

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14 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

Noting that there might be motivation besides race/ethnicity is justifying something.  We really should wait till the investigation and this guy gets caught before making judgements.

Whilst I agree one should refrain from premature judgments, no motive justifies such an attack against children.

16 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

If someone were to retaliate based on your assumptions and they turned out to be untrue, wouldn't you be the very guy you imagine this attacker to be?

I've not made any such assumptions, although it would not surprise me if the attack was indeed hate driven. Given the substantial increase in attacks against Jews (and Muslims for that matter), it shouldn't surprise you either.

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Apparently the man on the bike first approached the children and told them to get off the sidewalk, before leaving and returning a second time.

From the article cited below:

It happened in the 100 block of Franklin Avenue, where a lot of kids play every day on the sidewalk, in front of their homes.

They were doing just that at around 8:50 p.m., police said, when a man who investigators described as between 18 and 20 years old was on a bike, and stopped next to a group of about a dozen kids. He told the children to get off the sidewalk, according to law enforcement sources, and then he left. Moments later, though, the man came back, and approached two of the older kids, who are boys, ages 13 and 11. He beat and stomped on them.

“He came in with a purpose,” said the father of one of the children who’d been there, “to harm them.”  The children playing on the sidewalk are from Orthodox Jewish families, and the NYPD is looking into what had happened as a potential antisemitic hate crime.

https://pix11.com/news/local-news/brooklyn/cops-investigate-mans-attack-on-children-as-an-antisemitic-hate-crime/

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7 hours ago, Kittens Are Jerks said:

Are you seriously attempting to justify the actions of that thug?

My hypothesis is that there may be more to the issue than the camera shows. Photographs and camera's can lie, after all.

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1 minute ago, Ell said:

My hypothesis is that there may be more to the issue than the camera shows. Photographs and camera's can lie, after all.

Fair enough although the video is clear in what happened. What we don't as yet know for certain is why.

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6 hours ago, Kittens Are Jerks said:

approached two of the older kids, who are boys, ages 13 and 11

That is not entirely true. Clearly he did not approach the second individual. The camera shows that the second individual approached him.

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6 minutes ago, Ell said:

That is not entirely true. Clearly he did not approach the second individual. The camera shows that the second individual approached him.

Not face on, he was at at angle. What point are you trying to make anyway?

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22 minutes ago, Kittens Are Jerks said:

What point are you trying to make anyway?

The first individual appears to have been specifically singled out for punitive action. All others were ignored. So it appears that the punisher had a specific grief against the first individual that he beat. Next the second individual approached him, maybe with agressive intent, and was beaten by him as well in response.

 

So, though the reason for the beating is unknown to me, there appears to have been good reason for it in both cases.

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4 minutes ago, Ell said:

The first individual appears to have been specifically singled out for punitive action. All others were ignored. So it appears that the punisher had a specific grief against the first individual that he beat. Next the second individual approached him, maybe with agressive intent, and was beaten by him as well in response.

So, though the reason for the beating is unknown to me, there appears to have been good reason for it in both cases.

There is never good reason for aggressive violence, especially against children. Whether that violence was result of something the children did or said, is irrelevant. Don't victim blame and shift the focus away from holding the perpetrator accountable.

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1 minute ago, Kittens Are Jerks said:

There is never good reason for aggressive violence, especially against children.

Lots of children got the death penalty.

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5 hours ago, Ell said:

That is not entirely true. Clearly he did not approach the second individual. The camera shows that the second individual approached him.

So...??

You're suggesting an 11 year old advanced on a 20 year old, and so a full on punch, knock down and repeated stomping, is justified?

Please say thats not what youre suggesting?

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23 minutes ago, DieChecker said:

So...??

You're suggesting an 11 year old advanced on a 20 year old, and so a full on punch, knock down and repeated stomping, is justified?

Please say thats not what youre suggesting?

i agree.  The second child may have been coming to the aid of the first child.   The man deserves his punishment.

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18 minutes ago, Myles said:

i agree.  The second child may have been coming to the aid of the first child.   The man deserves his punishment.

If the second individual had been coming to the aid of the first individual that had been beaten, it would have moved towards that first beaten individual. It did not: it moved towards the man who had beaten the first individual instead.

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46 minutes ago, DieChecker said:

So...??

You're suggesting an 11 year old advanced on a 20 year old, and so a full on punch, knock down and repeated stomping, is justified?

Please say thats not what youre suggesting?

I have no idea whether or not it was justified. I am simply saying that there are reasons to suspect that the story may be more complex than the one dimensional truth that the camera shows.

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40 minutes ago, Ell said:

I have no idea whether or not it was justified. I am simply saying that there are reasons to suspect that the story may be more complex than the one dimensional truth that the camera shows.

You seem to be missing that there's no reason that suffices to attack a minor. 

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5 minutes ago, psyche101 said:

You seem to be missing that there's no reason that suffices to attack a minor. 

I dunno, man. Some kids are dicks.

 

 

 

 

(This is a joke, btw. Don't need someone of you clowns getting all butthurt)

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14 hours ago, Ell said:

I have no idea whether or not it was justified. I am simply saying that there are reasons to suspect that the story may be more complex than the one dimensional truth that the camera shows.

So, in some situations, full attacking a child, even after they are laying on the ground, could be justified?

Because otherwise youd not waffle if it was, or was not.

Are you an adult? If you're a minor, yeah, I will give a pass...

The situation could very well be very complex. But the action taken is out of proportion.

If the kids were comitting a crime, in front of their own homes, by playing on the sidewalk at 9:30 PM, than he should have called Noise Control, or police non-emergency. Wading in with fists should be a very last opition.

Going and knocking on doors, and complaining to parents, would have been probably the best. If there was a reason, and not just a hate crime. 

Ive done that before. I was walking when a kid threw F-bombs at me. I went to his house and knocked, told the parents, while he whined not to tell on him.

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This story is not related to this topic, but I decided to post this story here as an example of something that happened in Toronto at 5AM this morning. No one was hurt, although the message the incident sends is alarming.

Reports of a shooting at Jewish girls elementary school in Toronto, no injuries, police say

Police are investigating an incident involving the discharge of a firearm outside a Jewish girl's elementary school in North York , Toronto on Saturday. The Toronto Police Service responded to reports of gunfire at Bais Chaya Mushka Elementary School near Dufferin Street and Finch Avenue West shortly before 5 a.m.

https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/article-802625

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