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The bloodshed in Ukraine is Trump's fault


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General Michel Yakovleff, former Deputy Chief of Staff of NATO, was present on the set of French news channel LCI to give his analysis of the Russian advance in recent days and the lack of means to resist it.

The general said 2 words that carried a lot of weight: "Too late."

"You know, all historians, when they write the history books about this war, will call it too late, one way or another. As MacArthur said, every defeat can be summed up in two words: too late."

"We have been too late since before February 2022. We are too late. And right now the six-month break in the U.S. drought is terrible."

"It was only Donald Trump who decided to block military aid to Ukraine and used the mechanisms of Congress to his advantage. Mr. Trump who was not elected and who made American policy, it is still important to emphasize that. What can we say about democracy when someone who is not elected makes the country's policy and blocks aid to Ukraine for six months."

And the general concludes with his punchline:

"The bloodshed in Ukraine is partly Trump's fault."

"The bloodshed in Ukraine is Trump's fault" (msn.com)

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Of course it’s Trumps fault.  No one can blame the sitting President of the United States or his administration for the things that have occurred over the last several years — that’s just elder abuse.  That type of narrative is too radical and just not okay for the American  intelligentsia.    

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Obama didn't offer substantial help.  Trump liked Putin better.  Might as well blame Congress for wasting time.  Or why not blame the Russians for invading Ukraine?  .Can't blame Trump for all of the problems in Ukraine. And BTW, we told Ukraine that if they gave up their nuclear weapons we would protect them.  

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2 hours ago, Tatetopa said:

Obama didn't offer substantial help.  Trump liked Putin better.  Might as well blame Congress for wasting time.  Or why not blame the Russians for invading Ukraine?  .Can't blame Trump for all of the problems in Ukraine. And BTW, we told Ukraine that if they gave up their nuclear weapons we would protect them.  

It is also Obama's fault, unequivocally.  It sure as hell isn't Biden's fault tho.

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4 hours ago, Alchopwn said:

It is also Obama's fault, unequivocally.  It sure as hell isn't Biden's fault tho.

It’s Biden’s fault alone. He is the one who told Ukraine they were close to NATO membership. Biden is the one who broke a long term peace agreement with Russia that we would never bring NATO to their boarder. He caused this to happen, willfully. Intentionally. 
 

Russia wouldn’t have dared to invade Ukraine while Trump was in office. And Trump wouldn’t have provoked a war between the two countries. 
 

The powers that be want Putin out because he refuses to follow the NWO plan of global government and mass immigration. So they set up a proxy war to drain and weaken Russia militarily and financially. 
 

Obama had a big roll to play in this as well. Overthrew the duly elected Ukrainian government and installed a puppet regime who would agree to be a proxy for the eventual overthrow of Putin. 
 

If this situation was reversed and the Brics nations were setting up military installations in Mexico or Canada, we would have done the exact same thing Russia is doing now. 

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3 hours ago, preacherman76 said:

It’s Biden’s fault alone. He is the one who told Ukraine they were close to NATO membership. Biden is the one who broke a long term peace agreement with Russia that we would never bring NATO to their boarder. He caused this to happen, willfully. Intentionally. 
 

Russia wouldn’t have dared to invade Ukraine while Trump was in office. And Trump wouldn’t have provoked a war between the two countries. 
 

The powers that be want Putin out because he refuses to follow the NWO plan of global government and mass immigration. So they set up a proxy war to drain and weaken Russia militarily and financially. 
 

Obama had a big roll to play in this as well. Overthrew the duly elected Ukrainian government and installed a puppet regime who would agree to be a proxy for the eventual overthrow of Putin. 
 

If this situation was reversed and the Brics nations were setting up military installations in Mexico or Canada, we would have done the exact same thing Russia is doing now. 

Why wouldn't he have dared?  He had russians fighting in Donbas the whole time Trump was in office.  Why did you think they needed the missiles he was withholding during his quid pro quo?

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Putin had his guys on the border for what? Like six months? Biden and company thought he was bluffing. Putin wasnt.

Trump actually is responsible for the current drought of military aid. Or at least he was for the almost two months where the aid was floating around Congress. President signed the aid on Apr 25, i think.

Lots of blame to go around for Trump and Biden, IMHO. 

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2 hours ago, DieChecker said:

Putin had his guys on the border for what? Like six months? Biden and company thought he was bluffing. Putin wasnt.

Trump actually is responsible for the current drought of military aid. Or at least he was for the almost two months where the aid was floating around Congress. President signed the aid on Apr 25, i think.

Lots of blame to go around for Trump and Biden, IMHO. 

The build up started closer to a year before the invasion.  The first large scale Russian build up was from March 2021 to April 2021 with Russia claiming it was for the Zapod 2021 exercises to be held in September but seems to of been used to move in tanks, IFVs, APCs, and tube artillery.  A second large scale build up then started from October 2021 to February 2022 with Russia bringing in soldiers, moving in mobile ballistic missile launchers, various division level artillery systems, and setting up field hospitals, blood banks, and mobile crematoriums.

About a week or so before the invasion the leader of Belarus gave a speech infront of the Belarusian government that was broadcasted to the civilian population about how Russia is about to invade Ukraine and Belarus will assist Russia in anyway that they require.  There was also an issue of the Belarusian leader doing a televised interview where he was showing off an invasion map of Ukraine that showed the vectors Russia was planning to use to attack Ukraine.

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Well, and then there is Clinton since fault-finding is apparently important for the Press Corps.  

https://www.newsweek.com/bill-clinton-ukraine-war-russia-nuclear-weapons-deal-vladimir-putin-1792682  

The Budapest Agreement was another instance of the US behaving as the unwanted World Police Officer.  It made for good PR at the time . . . . So of course the US is all over the Ukraine / Russia dispute.  And then there is that nettlesome pledge made by China to defend Ukraine in the event of a nuclear attack.  Why is China not to blame for stepping up?  The list goes on and on . . .

This is actually a very complex, long-standing issue.  No one person or President is to blame. 

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20 hours ago, Tatetopa said:

Obama didn't offer substantial help.  Trump liked Putin better.  Might as well blame Congress for wasting time.  Or why not blame the Russians for invading Ukraine?  .Can't blame Trump for all of the problems in Ukraine. And BTW, we told Ukraine that if they gave up their nuclear weapons we would protect them.  

I agree. No use blaming any particular American President when it’s state policy to break up the Russian state

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19 hours ago, preacherman76 said:

It’s Biden’s fault alone. He is the one who told Ukraine they were close to NATO membership. Biden is the one who broke a long term peace agreement with Russia that we would never bring NATO to their boarder. He caused this to happen, willfully. Intentionally. 

Russia started the war back in 2014.  The 2022 invasion was just phase 2 of the invasion.  Everything Biden has done is correct.  Ukraine should have been immediately given NATO membership when it relinquished its nuclear arsenal soon after it became independent.

19 hours ago, preacherman76 said:

Russia wouldn’t have dared to invade Ukraine while Trump was in office. And Trump wouldn’t have provoked a war between the two countries. 

That's simply untrue.  Trump is a deep agent for the FSB, and has been since they bailed him out of bankruptcy back in the 1990s.  After that Trump worked hand in glove with the FSB in the form of the Russian mob in developing their presence in NYC.  I am stunned given how easy the evidence is to find that he isn't being prosecuted for treason.

19 hours ago, preacherman76 said:

The powers that be want Putin out because he refuses to follow the NWO plan of global government and mass immigration. So they set up a proxy war to drain and weaken Russia militarily and financially. 

You mean the global order that says invasions are bad?  Is that the order Putin doesn't agree with? 

19 hours ago, preacherman76 said:

Obama had a big roll to play in this as well.

You can't spell.

19 hours ago, preacherman76 said:

Obama had a big roll to play in this as well. Overthrew the duly elected Ukrainian government and installed a puppet regime who would agree to be a proxy for the eventual overthrow of Putin. 

That's pure Russian propaganda.  Yanukovych was selling out Ukranian independence to the Russian Federation, and the people rose up to get rid of him.  Obama did nothing to interfere.  In fact Obama did too damn little, because that is the year that Putin first invaded Donetsk, BECAUSE Obama didn't show enough interest in Ukraine.

19 hours ago, preacherman76 said:

If this situation was reversed and the Brics nations were setting up military installations in Mexico or Canada, we would have done the exact same thing Russia is doing now. 

Right now China is setting up a base in the Caribbean, so that's not true, is it?

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53 minutes ago, Alchopwn said:

Russia started the war back in 2014.  The 2022 invasion was just phase 2 of the invasion.  Everything Biden has done is correct.  Ukraine should have been immediately given NATO membership when it relinquished its nuclear arsenal soon after it became independent.

what are you talking about? Russia didn’t start a war with Ukraine in 2014. 
 

So to hell with any deal made with Russia regarding not bringing NATO to their boarder? Then pretend we aren’t the aggressors? Pretend that we aren’t the ones stabbing Russia in the back? Our word means nothing? 

53 minutes ago, Alchopwn said:

That's simply untrue.  Trump is a deep agent for the FSB, and has been since they bailed him out of bankruptcy back in the 1990s.  After that Trump worked hand in glove with the FSB in the form of the Russian mob in developing their presence in NYC.  I am stunned given how easy the evidence is to find that he isn't being prosecuted for treason.

That’s ridiculous. 

53 minutes ago, Alchopwn said:

You mean the global order that says invasions are bad?  Is that the order Putin doesn't agree with? 
 

The global order that says invasions are bad??? lol Seriously? Sure I guess, if you ignore all the countries we invaded. Heck our president is allowing a full invasion on our southern border as we speak. 

53 minutes ago, Alchopwn said:

 

That's pure Russian propaganda.  Yanukovych was selling out Ukranian independence to the Russian Federation, and the people rose up to get rid of him.  Obama did nothing to interfere.  In fact Obama did too damn little, because that is the year that Putin first invaded Donetsk, BECAUSE Obama didn't show enough interest in Ukraine.

Not only did Obama install the puppet regime in Ukraine, he then called it democratically elected lol. Since then Ukraine has removed any semblance of democracy. Yet we are told we have to save them because of, you know, democracy lol

53 minutes ago, Alchopwn said:

Right now China is setting up a base in the Caribbean, so that's not true, is it?

Right now we have a weak, feeble, and worse yet, sold out piece of trash for a leader. 

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7 hours ago, preacherman76 said:

Right now we have a weak, feeble, and worse yet, sold out piece of trash for a leader. 

Nah, dude, the guy you're describing lost in 2020. It's Darth Brandon who is in power.

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This has got to be the stupidest thread ever. 

2021:

 

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Biden assures Zelenskiy that NATO membership in Ukraine's hands, Kyiv says

December 9, 20217:19 PM PST

 

 
 
This was the provocation Putin needed to justify his actions to the Russian people and Biden handed it to him on a silver platter.

 

 

 

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On 5/19/2024 at 7:21 PM, preacherman76 said:

what are you talking about? Russia didn’t start a war with Ukraine in 2014. 

Well then, get informed.  Russia's war against Ukraine started in 2014 and is also known as the Donbas War and the Russian Annexation of Crimea.

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5 hours ago, Alchopwn said:

Well then, get informed.  Russia's war against Ukraine started in 2014 and is also known as the Donbas War and the Russian Annexation of Crimea.

Thanks for the link. 
 

Point still stands. Biden intentionally caused todays war. 

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55 minutes ago, preacherman76 said:

Thanks for the link. 
 

Point still stands. Biden intentionally caused todays war. 

That is entirely incorrect.  When Putin pushed the Ukraine invasion again in 2022, Biden did the most responsible thing and insured that Ukraine wasn't standing alone against that Russian tyrant and his disgusting followers.  Yet here we have the GOP eating out of Putin's hand like the MAGAt traitors that they are.  Putin is the true master of Trump, because he has the peepee tapes and all the other dirt on Trump, who, let's face facts, is an extremely venial man.  I mean, Trump admits to incestuous thoughts about his own daughter, like Herod, and that is the least of his crimes, as it might be the only vile impulse he hasn't acted upon, that we know of.  Trump was a great friend of Epstein, after all.  This is why I have joined the GOP again.  To save the USA from Trump.  We need to have a competent, non-totalitarian conservative party in the USA, and presently the GOP is over-run with extremist fanatics.

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13 hours ago, Alchopwn said:

That is entirely incorrect.  When Putin pushed the Ukraine invasion again in 2022, Biden did the most responsible thing and insured that Ukraine wasn't standing alone against that Russian tyrant and his disgusting followers.  Yet here we have the GOP eating out of Putin's hand like the MAGAt traitors that they are.  Putin is the true master of Trump, because he has the peepee tapes and all the other dirt on Trump, who, let's face facts, is an extremely venial man.  I mean, Trump admits to incestuous thoughts about his own daughter, like Herod, and that is the least of his crimes, as it might be the only vile impulse he hasn't acted upon, that we know of.  Trump was a great friend of Epstein, after all.  This is why I have joined the GOP again.  To save the USA from Trump.  We need to have a competent, non-totalitarian conservative party in the USA, and presently the GOP is over-run with extremist fanatics.

Damn , you nailed so much there, it's so weird to me I grew up with the types who are now dolt45 subjects hating all things Russian yet they someway stick their heads deep in sand or up an orifice to pretend Trump isn't a puppet bootlick gopher to putin, it's bloody obvious to rational thinking folks.

Does Putin have dirt on BOM? Very likely and when orange Jesus was trying to build a chump towers other there I heard the tales of dolt45s affection for water sports with ******** sex trade workers, and we have as court room fact BOM had affairs with sex trade workers.

Yeah, wasn't BOM pretty close with Epstein about the same time he was going on about being sexually attracted not to his wife but 13 yo daughter?

Can't you see why his subjects worship him? Lol

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On 5/21/2024 at 9:04 AM, Alchopwn said:

That is entirely incorrect.  When Putin pushed the Ukraine invasion again in 2022, Biden did the most responsible thing and insured that Ukraine wasn't standing alone against that Russian tyrant and his disgusting followers. 
 

Putin didn’t push the invasion till Biden said Ukraine was close to membership. Thats when the troops started building up on the boarder. 

On 5/21/2024 at 9:04 AM, Alchopwn said:

 

Yet here we have the GOP eating out of Putin's hand like the MAGAt traitors that they are.  Putin is the true master of Trump, because he has the peepee tapes and all the other dirt on Trump, who, let's face facts, is an extremely venial man.  I mean,

oh you still believe in pee tapes. Never mind. You can’t be reasoned with. 

On 5/21/2024 at 9:04 AM, Alchopwn said:

 

Trump admits to incestuous thoughts about his own daughter, like Herod, and that is the least of his crimes, as it might be the only vile impulse he hasn't acted upon, that we know of.  Trump was a great friend of Epstein, after all. 
 

Ahh Biden was showering with his daughter till her late teens. Was also accused of rape. Only difference no one cared. 

On 5/21/2024 at 9:04 AM, Alchopwn said:

 

This is why I have joined the GOP again.  To save the USA from Trump.  We need to have a competent, non-totalitarian conservative party in the USA, and presently the GOP is over-run with extremist fanatics.

I agree the party is overrun by extremists. Establishment types. Those who pretend to be conservative yet almost never vote that way. You just haven’t seen what real conservatives look like. So msm convinced you they are scary. 

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8 hours ago, preacherman76 said:

Putin didn’t push the invasion till Biden said Ukraine was close to membership. Thats when the troops started building up on the boarder

HI Preacher

BS, NATO members have to vote on membership and we know full well as did Putin that there would be opposition to fast tracking the Ukraine for membership. 

Likely one of the bigger influences was NATO pulling out of Afghanistan on Biden's shift as it reduced a military presence that could be brought into play. 

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5 minutes ago, jmccr8 said:

Likely one of the bigger influences was NATO pulling out of Afghanistan on Biden's shift as it reduced a military presence that could be brought into play. 

What?!?!

Exactly how would America's military be brought into play with Russia had it stayed in Afghanistan? 

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9 hours ago, preacherman76 said:

oh you still believe in pee tapes. Never mind. You can’t be reasoned with. 

Ahh Biden was showering with his daughter till her late teens. Was also accused of rape. Only difference no one cared. 

I agree the party is overrun by extremists. Establishment types. Those who pretend to be conservative yet almost never vote that way. You just haven’t seen what real conservatives look like. So msm convinced you they are scary. 

The Uni-Party has got both sides believing in nonsense. (Trump pee tapes, Biden incest) 

They've got you guys at each other's throats determined to vote for the your perceived good guy because the other guy is clearly evil in your eyes. 

Both the Rs and Ds Foreign and Monetary policies are virtually identical. 

It's absolutely incredible you guys fall for it every four yrs. 

It's never been more obvious. 

 

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10 hours ago, preacherman76 said:

Putin didn’t push the invasion till Biden said Ukraine was close to membership. Thats when the troops started building up on the boarder. 

In February and March 2014, Russia invaded the Crimean Peninsula, part of Ukraine, and then annexed it. This took place in the relative power vacuum immediately following the Revolution of Dignity. It marked the beginning of the Russo-Ukrainian War.
 

Annexation of Crimea by the Russian Federation - Wikipedia

1 hour ago, acidhead said:

What?!?!

Exactly how would America's military be brought into play with Russia had it stayed in Afghanistan? 

Russia tries to annex Ukraine, US says back off, Russia says what the heck are you doing in Afghanistan then?  Like that.

 

 

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1 hour ago, acidhead said:

Both the Rs and Ds Foreign and Monetary policies are virtually identical. 

Where have you been?  Foreign and Domestic policies are much different under MAGA and establishment parties these days.  Take the president's names off and you still have abortion, contraception, IVF, trans issues, tax codes , climate change, green energy, NATO, benefits for average citizens versus tax breaks and favors for billionaires.  Seems like some different stuff to me.  

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6 hours ago, acidhead said:

What?!?!

Exactly how would America's military be brought into play with Russia had it stayed in Afghanistan? 

HI Cid

Having NATO bases in Afghanistan meant that there was a supply route and a deterent. Just having that presence on Russia's border was something Putin had to consider until it was removed. No he is buddies with Isis and the Taliban. 

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