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The bloodshed in Ukraine is Trump's fault


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1 hour ago, jmccr8 said:

HI Cid

Having NATO bases in Afghanistan meant that there was a supply route and a deterent. Just having that presence on Russia's border was something Putin had to consider until it was removed. No he is buddies with Isis and the Taliban. 

What?!?

Just having that presence on Russia's border was something Putin had to consider until it was removed??!?

Have you looked at a map lately buds? 

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4 minutes ago, acidhead said:

What?!?

Just having that presence on Russia's border was something Putin had to consider until it was removed??!?

Have you looked at a map lately buds? 

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HI Cid

Okay I worded it wrong doesn't change the fact that NATO had access to move weapons in the region with relative ease. 

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5 minutes ago, jmccr8 said:

HI Cid

Okay I worded it wrong doesn't change the fact that NATO had access to move weapons in the region with relative ease. 

Really? Would you like it if I posted another map of American military bases in Europe and the Middle East?  

Hint: they're everywhere

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1 minute ago, acidhead said:

Really? Would you like it if I posted another map of American military bases in Europe and the Middle East?  

Hint: they're everywhere

HI Cid

Post away if you choose it doesn't change that NATO had easy shipping access and air routes for supplies and Putin has been threatening NATO countries during this conflict. It's not all about the US 

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7 minutes ago, jmccr8 said:

HI Cid

Post away if you choose it doesn't change that NATO had easy shipping access and air routes for supplies and Putin has been threatening NATO countries during this conflict. It's not all about the US 

Afghanistan is land locked. How does leaving Afghanistan change shipping routes?

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18 hours ago, preacherman76 said:

Putin didn’t push the invasion till Biden said Ukraine was close to membership. Thats when the troops started building up on the boarder. 

That isn't how to spell border.  Apart from that, no, Putin has been seeking to undermine Ukranian independence for over a decade because he doesn't recognize Ukrainians as being different to Russians, even though they are obviously much better fighters than Russians for a start.  Putin's actions have zero to do with anything Biden has ever done, and any claims made to the contrary are post fact misinterpretations of crazy Ivan.

19 hours ago, preacherman76 said:

oh you still believe in pee tapes. Never mind. You can’t be reasoned with. 

Well, you gotta admit, Trump wears diapers, so who knows how long he has been soiling himself and others, or being soiled on.  Hitler too liked being pooped on, which is why his niece Gelli committed suicide.  It goes with the insane dictator mindset.

19 hours ago, preacherman76 said:

Ahh Biden was showering with his daughter till her late teens. Was also accused of rape. Only difference no one cared. 

Okay, if you can find an unbiased source for that I'll give it some credence.  In the meantime, Trump was long term friends with Epstein.  Trump's captain also tried to procure my teenage sister and her friend onto his yacht when she was 17, because of the implication.  He can burn in hell afaiac.

19 hours ago, preacherman76 said:

I agree the party is overrun by extremists. Establishment types. Those who pretend to be conservative yet almost never vote that way. You just haven’t seen what real conservatives look like. So msm convinced you they are scary. 

So by conservative, you mean an anarcho-fascist. The USA needs that like it needs to run out of water.

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6 hours ago, acidhead said:

Afghanistan is land locked. How does leaving Afghanistan change shipping routes?

HI Cid

Through Pakistan, when NATO went into Afghanistan China, India and Pakistan were all threatening to nuke each other and once the West set up bases there hasn't been a peep out of them about nukes since. Their presence there was a deterent period. You don't have to accept what that significance is and I don't care I have to go build a deck today. 

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On 5/25/2024 at 6:01 PM, jmccr8 said:

HI Cid

Through Pakistan, when NATO went into Afghanistan China, India and Pakistan were all threatening to nuke each other and once the West set up bases there hasn't been a peep out of them about nukes since. Their presence there was a deterent period. 

US-Nato were defeated by the Taliban in 2021 after twenty years of fighting, heavy casualties and trillions of dollars down the drain due to budgetary allocations.

If they were not able to contain the Taliban in Afghanistan, how can they be expected to have a deterrence effect on other countries nearby !

 India can launch nuclear weapons through the triad of  ICBMs, nuclear submarines and bomber aircraft, and has a potent missile defense system as well in PAD. This has served as a nuclear deterrent from hostile adversaries.

However, unlike the US military doctrine, launching nuclear weapons on a pre-emptive strike is not part of the Indian nuclear doctrine which has adopted a "no first use" instead on humanitarian grounds considering the heavy devastation these weapons can cause.

The Indian and Chinese armies, the two largest armies on earth, have had border clashes but at the same time also have channels for diplomatic negotiations between them which is ongoing.

Three years has passed after the defeat of US-Nato in Afghanistan by the Taliban after  trillions of dollars down the drain ( which though made a lot of military contractors and military industrial complex capitalists rich) but you do not see any mention of nuclear war in the region. This is because there is enough understanding among the educated masses to know that a nuclear war can end entire nations totally, and the civilian intelligentsia are against such war rhetoric.  

In 2020, President Vladimir Putin approved a new nuclear deterrence policy that permits the use of nuclear first strikes in several scenarios, such as those where Russia's existence as a state is threatened, but also in cases of defense against attacks using conventional weapons.

https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2020/06/02/new-russian-policy-allows-use-of-atomic-weapons-against-non-nuclear-strike/

This is a very disappointing turn of events, and the world has become a much dangerous place to live in due to such weapons of mass destruction and irresponsible policies condoning pre-emptive strikes with such weapons.

India is also committed to total nuclear disarmament around the world without exceptions considering the threat of nuclear weapons to humanity, and have stated its intent to abandon its nuclear weapons and wmd, provided all other countries with wmd  do the same through treaties in this regard.
 

I would say that the UN and NAM (non-aligned movement) should work on diplomatic negotiations and dialogue with both the belligerent parties to ensure a " no first use" policy with respect to nuclear weapons which would be a potent first step towards peace and harmony between the two parties.

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