+susieice Posted May 19 #26 Share Posted May 19 (edited) Iranian officials say they had contact with two people from the helicopter and that the crash was not severe. CNN is the only media I can find that is saying this. (5) Iranian official says contact with 2 people aboard president's helicopter indicates crash was "not severe" (cnn.com) Iranian officials have spoken to two people on the same helicopter as President Ebrahim Raisi since it crashed Sunday, Iranian Vice President for Executive Affairs Mohsen Mansouri told the country's semi-official FARS news agency. Because officials made contact "several times" with a passenger and member of the flight crew shortly after the crash, "It appears that the incident was not severe," Mansouri said. Edited May 19 by susieice 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+susieice Posted May 19 #27 Share Posted May 19 Found it on NBC. Scroll down link. They may be alright. Live updates: Iranian President Ebrahim Raisi's helicopter crashes in northern Iran's fog and cold (nbcnews.com) Mohsen Mansouri, Iran's vice president, said that contact has been established between rescue workers at two people involved in the crash. He did not specify who rescue workers had been in contact with when making the comments on state television today, but noted that communication was established on "several occasions." 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kittens Are Jerks Posted May 19 Author #28 Share Posted May 19 2 hours ago, susieice said: Or the US. I'm not convinced Iran would want to attach blame to either Israel or the US. They had an opportunity for a major conflict with Israel just recently and passed on it. The other issue might be one of optics — of having failed to protect an important leader. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kittens Are Jerks Posted May 19 Author #29 Share Posted May 19 Raisi’s death wouldn’t change Iranian policy, but would spark fight for power It is too early to know the fate of Iran’s president and foreign minister after their helicopter crashed in northwestern Iran Sunday, but initial signs don’t look especially promising. An Iranian official told Reuters that while authorities are “still hopeful,” the information coming from the crash site is “very concerning.” The lives of President Ebrahim Raisi, along with Iranian Foreign Minister Hossein Amir-Abdollahian, are “at risk,” the official added. https://www.timesofisrael.com/raisis-death-wouldnt-change-iranian-policy-but-would-spark-fight-for-power/ 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+susieice Posted May 19 #30 Share Posted May 19 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Kittens Are Jerks said: I'm not convinced Iran would want to attach blame to either Israel or the US. They had an opportunity for a major conflict with Israel just recently and passed on it. The other issue might be one of optics — of having failed to protect an important leader. They may not. Rethinking, the weather was pretty obviously too bad really for that flight to take off in the first place. Everything shows it was too foggy. It's so bad they can't get in to the area yet. I don't think I'd want to be that helicopter pilot. Raisi is not going to be happy when they get back. Edited May 19 by susieice 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted May 19 #31 Share Posted May 19 2 hours ago, A rather obscure Bassoon said: Better the Devil you know as they say. I've seen comments from some highly placed Israelis that it would be difficult for Iran to find a worse, more evil replacement. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted May 19 #32 Share Posted May 19 1 hour ago, Kittens Are Jerks said: Raisi’s death wouldn’t change Iranian policy, but would spark fight for power It is too early to know the fate of Iran’s president and foreign minister after their helicopter crashed in northwestern Iran Sunday, but initial signs don’t look especially promising. An Iranian official told Reuters that while authorities are “still hopeful,” the information coming from the crash site is “very concerning.” The lives of President Ebrahim Raisi, along with Iranian Foreign Minister Hossein Amir-Abdollahian, are “at risk,” the official added. https://www.timesofisrael.com/raisis-death-wouldnt-change-iranian-policy-but-would-spark-fight-for-power/ This event may be a result - just guessing - of the top "man", Khamenei being expected to pass within the forseeable future and it's setting off a succession struggle. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kittens Are Jerks Posted May 20 Author #33 Share Posted May 20 51 minutes ago, and-then said: This event may be a result - just guessing - of the top "man", Khamenei being expected to pass within the forseeable future and it's setting off a succession struggle. Perhaps. Khamenei is in his mid-80s, so I'm sure that's in the minds of many. I'm still inclined, however, to think it was just an accident. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kittens Are Jerks Posted May 20 Author #34 Share Posted May 20 Turkey sends drones, helicopter carrying night-vision equipment to Iran Turkey's Defense Ministry announced late on Sunday that the country would send drones and a helicopter carrying night-vision equipment to Iran to help locate the regime leader, who was one of many officials involved in a crash early on Sunday. https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-801807 Rescuers are now searching an area where a smell of fuel was detected. https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/iranian-official-says-rescuers-searching-area-where-smell-of-fuel-detected/ 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+susieice Posted May 20 #35 Share Posted May 20 (edited) They still haven't found them. Live updates: Iran President Ebrahim Raisi in helicopter crash in East Azerbaijan Province; Hamas voices concern (cnn.com) Edited May 20 by susieice 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kittens Are Jerks Posted May 20 Author #36 Share Posted May 20 A Turkish drone has identified a source of heat suspected to be the wreckage of the Iranian president’s helicopter, Anadolu news agency says on X. It has shared the coordinates of the possible crash site with Iranian authorities. https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/turkish-drone-assisting-iranian-search-finds-heat-source-may-be-choppers-wreckage/ 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unusual Tournament Posted May 20 #37 Share Posted May 20 Iranian President flys around in a 40 year old crappy Bell 212 is asking for problems 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unusual Tournament Posted May 20 #38 Share Posted May 20 46 minutes ago, Kittens Are Jerks said: Perhaps. Khamenei is in his mid-80s, so I'm sure that's in the minds of many. I'm still inclined, however, to think it was just an accident. Accident or accidental assassination by the religious mullahs? Hard to tell 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzz_Light_Year Posted May 20 #39 Share Posted May 20 28 minutes ago, Kittens Are Jerks said: A Turkish drone has identified a source of heat suspected to be the wreckage of the Iranian president’s helicopter, Anadolu news agency says on X. It has shared the coordinates of the possible crash site with Iranian authorities. https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/turkish-drone-assisting-iranian-search-finds-heat-source-may-be-choppers-wreckage/ Here's some video of the suspected crash site. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted May 20 #40 Share Posted May 20 That^ looks like a large but somewhat diffuse heat signature. Depending on how good the IR equipment is, it could indicate substantial damage so, a harder more destructive impact. We can hope. These two guys will not be missed if they have assumed room temperature. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsGently Posted May 20 #41 Share Posted May 20 The guy has so much blood on his hands. I can't help but think this is rather 'poetic' that he disappeared in the fog of a mountain. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatetopa Posted May 20 #42 Share Posted May 20 Not America or Israel, maybe just bad conditions and error. We have helicopter crashes too. And yet, the mullahs always have to wonder if today's pilot or driver has a daughter or relative beaten or killed by the regime Will he decide to head for the nearest solid object at high speed? Heavy is the head who wears the ayatollah's headgear. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatetopa Posted May 20 #43 Share Posted May 20 9 minutes ago, MrsGently said: The guy has so much blood on his hands. I can't help but think this is rather 'poetic' that he disappeared in the fog of a mountain. Cloud hidden whereabouts unknown. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unusual Tournament Posted May 20 #44 Share Posted May 20 51 minutes ago, MrsGently said: The guy has so much blood on his hands. I can't help but think this is rather 'poetic' that he disappeared in the fog of a mountain. This is the mountain and crash site. Not exactly a dangerous altitude. Anyway 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unusual Tournament Posted May 20 #45 Share Posted May 20 1 hour ago, and-then said: That^ looks like a large but somewhat diffuse heat signature. Depending on how good the IR equipment is, it could indicate substantial damage so, a harder more destructive impact. We can hope. These two guys will not be missed if they have assumed room temperature. Iranian authorities are using Turkish nighttime capable search and rescue helicopter and drones. Hard to believe Iran hasn’t their own all weather search and rescue teams 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Razman Posted May 20 #46 Share Posted May 20 'No sign of life' at crash site of helicopter carrying Iran's president, others (msn.com) 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Razman Posted May 20 #47 Share Posted May 20 Iran helicopter crash live news: Rescuers find President Raisi’s aircraft | News | Al Jazeera 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsGently Posted May 20 #48 Share Posted May 20 no sign of life... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted May 20 #49 Share Posted May 20 News here is reporting he’s dead. Going to be a rough couple of days for Intelligence Analysts I think. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted May 20 #50 Share Posted May 20 (edited) BBC is reporting they have both assumed room temperature. I don't mind admitting that I am pleased with this outcome. I rarely engage in such schadenfreude but these two HAVE EARNED IT... Edited May 20 by and-then 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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