+and-then Posted May 20, 2024 #51 Share Posted May 20, 2024 I just saw a Chuck Holton video where he claims there were 12 souls on board including pilots. It will be interesting to see who the rest of this dignitaries/bodyguards are. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted May 20, 2024 #52 Share Posted May 20, 2024 4 hours ago, Unusual Tournament said: Iranian President flys around in a 40 year old crappy Bell 212 is asking for problems Especially if it's accurate that there were 12 souls aboard, flying in the mountains, in fog. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+susieice Posted May 20, 2024 #53 Share Posted May 20, 2024 It took long enough to find this wreckage. I guess they weren't talking to anyone from the helicopter. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted May 20, 2024 #54 Share Posted May 20, 2024 3 hours ago, Tatetopa said: Heavy is the head who wears the ayatollah's headgear. I'm thinking he does his traveling from now on with ground transportation. Iran's trains may be his best bet, 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+susieice Posted May 20, 2024 #55 Share Posted May 20, 2024 13 minutes ago, and-then said: I just saw a Chuck Holton video where he claims there were 12 souls on board including pilots. It will be interesting to see who the rest of this dignitaries/bodyguards are. All day the news was reporting 9 on board. That's still the report I'm finding. Live updates: Iran President Ebrahim Raisi dead in helicopter crash in East Azerbaijan Province (cnn.com) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted May 20, 2024 #56 Share Posted May 20, 2024 25 minutes ago, susieice said: It took long enough to find this wreckage. I guess they weren't talking to anyone from the helicopter. I wonder if that source intentionally tried to downplay the likelihood of their deaths or if someone just lied to the source. Well, I guess it doesn't matter now. The search and rescue teams are on the site and have confirmed the deaths. I just hope they accept that it was most likely pilot error. I don't know how effective their accident investigation agencies are. As long as they find no evidence of an explosion, they should just accept it as bad luck. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+susieice Posted May 20, 2024 #57 Share Posted May 20, 2024 (edited) 24 minutes ago, and-then said: I wonder if that source intentionally tried to downplay the likelihood of their deaths or if someone just lied to the source. Well, I guess it doesn't matter now. The search and rescue teams are on the site and have confirmed the deaths. I just hope they accept that it was most likely pilot error. I don't know how effective their accident investigation agencies are. As long as they find no evidence of an explosion, they should just accept it as bad luck. From what was said, it was Iran's Vice President who made the statement. It would have benefited him to tell the Iranian people or the west that they had contacted the helicopter. It took so long for them to find the wreckage. The weather was obviously too bad to be flying an older chopper in with a questionable maintenance record. This is just my opinion. I don't know Iranian maintenance standards. This is who NBC is now saying were on the helicopter. Live updates: Iranian President Raisi confirmed dead in helicopter crash, state media reports (nbcnews.com) Nine people were on board the helicopter that crashed, leaving no survivors, Tasnim News Agency, a government-affiliated outlet, reported. It listed the decedents on board with Raisi. They included Foreign Minister Hossein Amir-Abdollahian; Ayatollah Al Hashem, representative of the supreme leader for parts of Azerbaijan; Eastern Azerbaijan Gov. Malek Rahmati; Cmdr. Seyed Mahdi Mousavi, the head of the president’s security unit; and Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps member Ansarol Mahdi. The helicopter's pilot and co-pilot and a technical assistant also on board were not identified. Edited May 20, 2024 by susieice 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+susieice Posted May 20, 2024 #58 Share Posted May 20, 2024 (edited) This is the Bell 212 helicopter that crashed. They are still used by many. What we know about the crashed helicopter carrying Iran's president | Reuters Edited May 20, 2024 by susieice 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Red Devil Posted May 20, 2024 #59 Share Posted May 20, 2024 Many Iranians around the world will be celebrating the news of Raisi's death. I would say many in Iran would be celebrating too but.... Iranians Celebrate President Raisi’s Helicopter Crash 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzz_Light_Year Posted May 20, 2024 #60 Share Posted May 20, 2024 (edited) Looking at the gouge at the bottom of the image the helicopter appears to have flown straight into the side of the mountain and then flipped. Well that's the way it looks to me. I suppose the rotor blades could've cut the gouge as it's fairly close. Edited May 20, 2024 by Buzz_Light_Year 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alchopwn Posted May 20, 2024 #61 Share Posted May 20, 2024 I haven't even read any comments yet, I'm commenting blind here for laughs. So, lemme guess? How many people are blaming Mossad? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kittens Are Jerks Posted May 20, 2024 Author #62 Share Posted May 20, 2024 A few of today's headlines: Iranian president dead after helicopter crashes into mountain https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-801726 World leaders, terrorist organizations express condolences over Raisi's death https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/article-801834 Islamic Republic outlets endow Raisi’s death with religious, mystical meanings https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/iran-news/article-801844 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kittens Are Jerks Posted May 20, 2024 Author #63 Share Posted May 20, 2024 8 minutes ago, Alchopwn said: I haven't even read any comments yet, I'm commenting blind here for laughs. So, lemme guess? How many people are blaming Mossad? No official blame that I'm aware of, although rumours of Mossad's involvement are all over social media. Israeli official: Israel not involved in Raisi's death Israel was not involved in the death of Iranian President Ebrahim Raisi in a helicopter crash that also killed several members of his entourage, an Israeli official told Reuters on Monday. "It wasn't us," said the official, who requested anonymity. Rumors circulated throughout social media Sunday night into Monday morning alleging Mossad involvement in the helicopter crash. https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-801846 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alchopwn Posted May 20, 2024 #64 Share Posted May 20, 2024 Just now, Kittens Are Jerks said: No official blame that I'm aware of, although rumours of Mossad's involvement are all over social media. Israeli official: Israel not involved in Raisi's death Israel was not involved in the death of Iranian President Ebrahim Raisi in a helicopter crash that also killed several members of his entourage, an Israeli official told Reuters on Monday. "It wasn't us," said the official, who requested anonymity. Rumors circulated throughout social media Sunday night into Monday morning alleging Mossad involvement in the helicopter crash. https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-801846 I see, well I suppose it has only been 1 day. Hmm... I wonder if Raisi wasn't hawkish enough? I mean allegedly Iran is days away from developing its first nuclear weapon... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kittens Are Jerks Posted May 20, 2024 Author #65 Share Posted May 20, 2024 Obituary: Ebrahim Raisi, 63, ‘Butcher of Tehran’ and Khamenei protégé who died in chopper crash Iranian President Ebrahim Raisi, who died in a helicopter crash Sunday at the age of 63, was a hardline protégé of the country’s supreme leader, was nicknamed “The Butcher of Tehran” for his role in overseeing the mass executions of thousands in 1988, and led the country as it enriched uranium near weapons-grade levels and launched a major drone and missile attack on Israel. https://www.timesofisrael.com/ebrahim-raisi-63-butcher-of-tehran-and-khamenei-protege-who-died-in-chopper-crash/ 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsnotoutthere Posted May 20, 2024 #66 Share Posted May 20, 2024 More to the point, who's organising the street party? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kittens Are Jerks Posted May 20, 2024 Author #67 Share Posted May 20, 2024 (edited) Who is Iran's new acting president - Mohammad Mokhber? Iran expert Raz Zimmt of both INSS and the Meir Amit Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center said that First Vice President Mohammad Mokhber would step into Ebrahim Raisi’s role as president in the event that Raisi has died, which was confirmed by the Islamic Republic on Monday morning. Next, Mokhber, 69, would work with a special select staff as well as election authorities to set new elections within 50 days. Mokhber is said to have achieved his high position by running much of Iran Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei’s finances for years. He is also a lead expert for the Ayatollah and Raisi on running a “resistance” economy to keep Iran afloat despite years of global sanctions. https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-801828 Edited May 20, 2024 by Kittens Are Jerks Fixed formatting. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Red Devil Posted May 20, 2024 #68 Share Posted May 20, 2024 9 minutes ago, itsnotoutthere said: More to the point, who's organising the street party? A Jew called Eli Copter 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kittens Are Jerks Posted May 20, 2024 Author #69 Share Posted May 20, 2024 The List of Potential Suspects in the Mysterious Death of Iran’s President Raisi Ebrahim Raisi, whose helicopter crashed in the northwest of Iran on Sunday, was both the President of Iran and a candidate jockeying to succeed the elderly actual ruler of the country, Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei. Both political positions carried an elevated risk level roughly comparable with that of traveling by air inside Iran—where aviation safety, compromised by decades of sanctions and uneven maintenance, has claimed the lives of almost as many senior Iranian officials as its shadow war with Israel, which also loomed over Raisi’s reported demise. https://time.com/6979852/iran-president-ebrahim-raisi-dies-potential-suspects/ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkHunter Posted May 20, 2024 #70 Share Posted May 20, 2024 2 hours ago, susieice said: It took long enough to find this wreckage. I guess they weren't talking to anyone from the helicopter. It's not impossible that there were survivors who were able to talk for a while but later died due to injuries. From what I understand it took Iran approximately 12 hours to find and get to the crash site, that is a long time for people with probably life threatening injuries to survive so it's not impossible a few people survived the crash and were able to make a few calls. The Iranian government lying about survivors to give them more time to plan how to handle the situation is also highly possible especially given that the Iranian government does not like quick unexpected change. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kittens Are Jerks Posted May 20, 2024 Author #71 Share Posted May 20, 2024 16 minutes ago, Black Red Devil said: A Jew called Eli Copter That the helicopter's pilot was actually a Mossad agent named Eli Copter was a joke that got out of hand. Apparently, Hamas’ main Telegram page went on to cite that joke as a fact. https://www.iranintl.com/en/202405196321 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kittens Are Jerks Posted May 20, 2024 Author #72 Share Posted May 20, 2024 News commentary/interviews from Al Jezeera, with mention made of how Iranian officials are not embracing conspiracy theories, focusing instead on the weather conditions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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itsnotoutthere Posted May 20, 2024 #74 Share Posted May 20, 2024 (edited) I guess there will be quite a few of his own countrymen/women celebrating this news. Edited May 20, 2024 by itsnotoutthere 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unusual Tournament Posted May 20, 2024 #75 Share Posted May 20, 2024 4 hours ago, susieice said: It took long enough to find this wreckage. I guess they weren't talking to anyone from the helicopter. It’s like his peers couldn’t care less Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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