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What Drives the Woke


Duke Wellington

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So I`ve been investigating watching YouTube videos from old American programs about the dangers of socialism/communism and also been looking at research papers. This (to the best of my abilities) is what I have pieced together:

Most of the population (80%) fall within the average range for traits, abilities, psychological characteristics, and life success. But while most people fall within the norm simply because they are average, there is a distinct subset within them.

That subset who we now term `woke` are those who are absolutely terrified of showing any individualism or independence. That fear for them governs their whole lives to the point they cannot question or criticise, cannot form an opinion of their own, and cannot even make a decision on what morality is. Instead based on who the fellow woke people seem to be handing their individualism and independence over too, they will adopt what that person or body tells them is morality.

What truly terrifies them is if they utilised their individualism or independence that they would discover that their moral code is wrong, and that there is a more correct version of morality out there. That drives irrationalism and anger towards those who they perceive as being individualistic or independent. But, because their moral code is flawed (and deeply flawed at that) while they are attacking strong personalities due to their individualism (cough, Trump type people) their arguments to anyone without this psychological issues are illogical, irrational, and doesn`t hold up to scrutiny.

So its not that they are hypersensitive, its that they are attacking individualism out of the terrifying concept those individuals might know what they are going on about when it comes to what is moral.

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Considering that most people who use "woke" as a derogatory term can't even agree what a definition of "woke" is tells one that the "anti-woke" haven't got a clue what they are whining about. It's just a projection about their own failings.

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34 minutes ago, Ell said:

Myself I suspect that the wokes are mostly narcissists. of which there are two strains: submissives and I-dominants. They often subject themselves to sociopaths.

 

Thank you for your research.

Yes, the word Narcissist comes to mind when they demand to be called certain pronouns. As if the world should revolve around them.

Narcissistic personality disorder is a mental health condition in which people have an unreasonably high sense of their own importance. They need and seek too much attention and want people to admire them. People with this disorder may lack the ability to understand or care about the feelings of others.

 

 

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7 minutes ago, Hawken said:

Yes, the word Narcissist comes to mind when they demand to be called certain pronouns. As if the world should revolve around them.

Narcissistic personality disorder is a mental health condition in which people have an unreasonably high sense of their own importance. They need and seek too much attention and want people to admire them. People with this disorder may lack the ability to understand or care about the feelings of others.

 

 

You just described Trump perfectly. So by your metric he is king woke.

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43 minutes ago, Hawken said:

Yes, the word Narcissist comes to mind when they demand to be called certain pronouns. As if the world should revolve around them.

Narcissistic personality disorder is a mental health condition in which people have an unreasonably high sense of their own importance. They need and seek too much attention and want people to admire them. People with this disorder may lack the ability to understand or care about the feelings of others.

It can present itself as that but its an identity disorder.

The narcissist doesn`t have a stable identity so their encounters with other people yoyo around their identities a bit like bipolar. The only solution? Everyone telling them they are God like and of course a God is the centre of the universe and the whole universe admires and places their attention on God. That way at least it yoyos in the direction that makes them feel good.

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9 minutes ago, Duke Wellington said:

It can present itself as that but its an identity disorder.

The narcissist doesn`t have a stable identity so their encounters with other people yoyo around their identities a bit like bipolar. The only solution? Everyone telling them are God like and of course a God is the centre of the universe and the whole universe admires and places their attention on God. That way at least it yoyos in the direction that makes them feel good.

Aw, Trump

41 minutes ago, Hawken said:

Yes, the word Narcissist comes to mind when they demand to be called certain pronouns. As if the world should revolve around them.

Narcissistic personality disorder is a mental health condition in which people have an unreasonably high sense of their own importance. They need and seek too much attention and want people to admire them. People with this disorder may lack the ability to understand or care about the feelings of others.

Hum, sounds just like dolt45

30 minutes ago, Hankenhunter said:

You just described Trump perfectly. So by your metric he is king woke.

Damn it man, Trump and his Trumpets are yet again summed up rather perfectly,

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27 minutes ago, Duke Wellington said:

It can present itself as that but its an identity disorder.

The narcissist doesn`t have a stable identity so their encounters with other people yoyo around their identities a bit like bipolar. The only solution? Everyone telling them they are God like and of course a God is the centre of the universe and the whole universe admires and places their attention on God. That way at least it yoyos in the direction that makes them feel good.

So...sucking up to them with platitudes. Well, that probably would work on Trumpers, but the 70% majority would see right though such a juvenile plan with contempt, and derision.

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24 minutes ago, Hankenhunter said:

So...sucking up to them with platitudes. Well, that probably would work on Trumpers, but the 70% majority would see right though such a juvenile plan with contempt, and derision.

Trump is not a narcissist, he is an extrovert with moderately high disagreeableness.

Basically, a jerk who enjoys the limelight. Just the sort of person who makes a good CEO or president. While being a jerk upsets people, you always want a jerk in office because they are times when the leader needs to upset people in the best interests of America.

Narcs on the other hand have high neuroticism. I would vote for Trump any day of the week over Biden, he is one of the best leaders I have seen during my life and you really wouldn`t want to change him. You have to take the negatives with the positives, you cannot have one without the other.

Oh, God, could you imagine a people pleaser running the USA? Which Biden practically is. Look at the mess he has made.

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11 minutes ago, Duke Wellington said:

Trump is not a narcissist, he is an extrovert with moderately high disagreeableness.

Basically, a jerk who enjoys the limelight. Just the sort of person who makes a good CEO or president. While being a jerk upsets people, you always want a jerk in office because they are times when the leader needs to upset people in the best interests of America.

Narcs on the other hand have high neuroticism. I would vote for Trump any day of the week over Biden, he is one of the best leaders I have seen during my life and you really wouldn`t want to change him. You have to take the negatives with the positives, you cannot have one without the other.

Oh, God, could you imagine a people pleaser running the USA? Which Biden practically is. Look at the mess he has made.

Don't give up your day job. I could post a thousand links from trained professional psychologists who all agree that he's suffering from malignant narcissism. Would you like that? It would make you look rather foolish though. Some reading material to save you from future embarrassment. 

https://www.google.com/search?q=psychologists+all+agree+that+Trump+is+suffering+from+malignant+narcissism&oq=&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqDAgCECMYJxjqAhiMBDIGCAAQRRg6MgwIARAjGCcY6gIYjAQyDAgCECMYJxjqAhiMBDIMCAMQIxgnGOoCGIwEMgwIBBAjGCcY6gIYjAQyDAgFEC4YJxjqAhiMBDIMCAYQIxgnGOoCGIwEMgwIBxAjGCcY6gIYjAQyDAgIECMYJxjqAhiMBDIMCAkQIxgnGOoCGIwE0gEGLTFqMGo5qAIJsAIB&client=ms-android-rogers-ca-revc&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

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2 hours ago, Hankenhunter said:

Don't give up your day job. I could post a thousand links from trained professional psychologists who all agree that he's suffering from malignant narcissism. Would you like that? It would make you look rather foolish though. Some reading material to save you from future embarrassment. 

https://www.google.com/search?q=psychologists+all+agree+that+Trump+is+suffering+from+malignant+narcissism&oq=&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqDAgCECMYJxjqAhiMBDIGCAAQRRg6MgwIARAjGCcY6gIYjAQyDAgCECMYJxjqAhiMBDIMCAMQIxgnGOoCGIwEMgwIBBAjGCcY6gIYjAQyDAgFEC4YJxjqAhiMBDIMCAYQIxgnGOoCGIwEMgwIBxAjGCcY6gIYjAQyDAgIECMYJxjqAhiMBDIMCAkQIxgnGOoCGIwE0gEGLTFqMGo5qAIJsAIB&client=ms-android-rogers-ca-revc&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

Hank I got that person on ignore but saw his babbling tripe in your quote, give me a break, he went down the how to deflect list from narcissists for dummies handbook.

Think about it, who does he sound like? Yep, Trump that same kind of bs fluffy nonsense that only makes sense to others at the alter of the marmalade Messiah.

Dolt45 wasn't even a very good game show host he is weak witted and lame funny but not in a "haha" way. As POTUS is was a complete and utter life costing incompetent bumbling disaster and has to live with the fact hilly beat him pop vote 2026 and Biden beat him both sides 2020 because the American people were done with his bs.

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"Woke," is now the go to word the very bent kneed head bowed subjects of the kult of the orange use as a disparaging term for anything or anyone they hate and are just deeply ignorant to,

It's like when that say stupid sheet like "go Brandon" people rational educated people sigh, roll their eyes and feel a bit badly to see such a lowend human.

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3 hours ago, Duke Wellington said:

The narcissist doesn`t have a stable identity so their encounters with other people yoyo around their identities a bit like bipolar. The only solution? Everyone telling them they are God like and of course a God is the centre of the universe and the whole universe admires and places their attention on God. That way at least it yoyos in the direction that makes them feel good.

Why does every thread end up being about Donald Trump?

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5 hours ago, Hankenhunter said:

You just described Trump perfectly. So by your metric he is king woke.

And Hilary.

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6 hours ago, Duke Wellington said:

So I've been investigating....

What I've noticed over the past few yrs, with regards to Trump, is those who are his loudest and harshest critics also are those who have behaved the most similar to what we have seen from Trump and what we've been told he has done unfavourably in the past.  The similarities are striking. 

As for 'woke" people. Everybody has some sort of tribalism baked into their own personal psych. It begins the moment we all open our eyes for the first time and continues until we breathe our last breath. In between each one of us discovers ourselves and how we personally adapt or navigate our lives.

Agreeable people is tribalism. It's a herd mentality. It's a survival instinct.  Agreeable people are generally not risk takers. Agreeable people generally take a more cautious approach to decision making. Women have been historically, and to a great degree still are,  predominantly agreeable people. 

The most primary instinct is our survival instincts. How this relates to "woke " people is as our societies have advanced technologically, especially in western societies, our life expectancy has been extended and survival instincts have lessened as a result.  Advances in technological and life expectancy has also resulted in more individuals, albeit still less than agreeable people, taking more risk in their lives as well.   

Now taking in everything I just said and now factor into account the role feminism, womens equality(agreeable people) has had when added to the technological and life expectancy advances and it's easy to see how western societies have become predominantly "woke". 

" Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times." 

Such as gravity. The path of least resistance. 

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Screenshot_20240521-193033_Gallery.jpg.1e6861713668af6ad1c17a020be94a02.jpg.e460c7622da3b2a5b66bc02f4733b85c.jpg    Hat tip to Abramelin

 

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20 minutes ago, acidhead said:

What I've noticed over the past few yrs, with regards to Trump, is those who are his loudest and harshest critics also are those who have behaved the most similar to what we have seen from Trump and what we've been told he has done unfavourably in the past.  The similarities are striking. 

As for 'woke" people. Everybody has some sort of tribalism baked into their own personal psych. It begins the moment we all open our eyes for the first time and continues until we breathe our last breath. In between each one of us discovers ourselves and how we personally adapt or navigate our lives.

Agreeable people is tribalism. It's a herd mentality. It's a survival instinct.  Agreeable people are generally not risk takers. Agreeable people generally take a more cautious approach to decision making. Women have been historically, and to a great degree still are,  predominantly agreeable people. 

The most primary instinct is our survival instincts. How this relates to "woke " people is as our societies have advanced technologically, especially in western societies, our life expectancy has been extended and survival instincts have lessened as a result.  Advances in technological and life expectancy has also resulted in more individuals, albeit still less than agreeable people, taking more risk in their lives as well.   

Now taking in everything I just said and now factor into account the role feminism, womens equality(agreeable people) has had when added to the technological and life expectancy advances and it's easy to see how western societies have become predominantly "woke". 

" Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times." 

Such as gravity. The path of least resistance. 

But, that is a typical left wing marker, they always accuse others of the things that they do themselves.

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5 hours ago, the13bats said:

Aw, Trump

Damn it man, Trump and his Trumpets are yet again summed up rather perfectly,

 

TrumpThink2.png

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6 minutes ago, itsnotoutthere said:

Screenshot_20240521-193033_Gallery.jpg.1e6861713668af6ad1c17a020be94a02.jpg.e460c7622da3b2a5b66bc02f4733b85c.jpg    Hat tip to Abramelin

 

And this has what to do with the op? Unless this is your belief also?

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Woke is an outgrowth of Social Media cancel culture.  As political values were perceived to matter by young people, they would unfriend and ostracize anyone who didn't hold identical opinions to themselves.  Thus being seen as woke became a necessary form of social conformity to socialize with certain in-groups, rather than simply being about virtue signaling.  This is not to say that virtue signaling isn't going on, merely that it isn't always the primary motivating factor.  The virtue signaling is more about showing awareness by being the first person to highlight a particular injustice (before it was cool...shades of the hipsters).  The worst thing about woke culture is that if you don't agree with it, they cancel you as a human, and they cancel your identity.  For example, say you are black and you disagree with the woke approach to a specific race issue, then they will cancel you and say "you aren't black, you were never black in your heart" and cancel you.  It is very easy to see woke-ism as a species of cyber bullying people with different opinions, but it is also the classic group-think mistake.  By not listening to other opinions that differ from their own, the woke create an echo chamber and closed workshop which is increasingly insulated from broader society, and which encourages increasingly extreme opinions to be formed and promoted within that ghettoized online subculture, much like Qanon, but founded on different repeated errors.  I think it would be very interesting to observe the in-group/out-group behaviors of Qanon and the Woke subculture as I suspect they have a lot in common, even if they line up on apparently opposite sides of the political divide.

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27 minutes ago, acidhead said:

What I've noticed over the past few yrs, with regards to Trump, is those who are his loudest and harshest critics also are those who have behaved the most similar to what we have seen from Trump and what we've been told he has done unfavourably in the past.  The similarities are striking. 

As for 'woke" people. Everybody has some sort of tribalism baked into their own personal psych. It begins the moment we all open our eyes for the first time and continues until we breathe our last breath. In between each one of us discovers ourselves and how we personally adapt or navigate our lives.

Agreeable people is tribalism. It's a herd mentality. It's a survival instinct.  Agreeable people are generally not risk takers. Agreeable people generally take a more cautious approach to decision making. Women have been historically, and to a great degree still are,  predominantly agreeable people. 

The most primary instinct is our survival instincts. How this relates to "woke " people is as our societies have advanced technologically, especially in western societies, our life expectancy has been extended and survival instincts have lessened as a result.  Advances in technological and life expectancy has also resulted in more individuals, albeit still less than agreeable people, taking more risk in their lives as well.   

Now taking in everything I just said and now factor into account the role feminism, womens equality(agreeable people) has had when added to the technological and life expectancy advances and it's easy to see how western societies have become predominantly "woke". 

" Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times." 

Such as gravity. The path of least resistance. 

Lol, wut? 

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2 hours ago, Tatetopa said:

Why does every thread end up being about Donald Trump?

Well, you know his subjects are totally emersed in him like a kult leader type thing, to them he's kooler than Jesus.

Example....

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They post weird memes to show what's on their minds and no matter how many times I point out how very illiterate "orange man bad" sounds and why not use "bad orange man" they stick to that persona of lowbrow less educated, you know guys that think it's Kool dolt45 tapped a porn star or two while cheating. On his wife and got hauled into court for it.

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35 minutes ago, the13bats said:

Well, you know his subjects are totally emersed in him like a kult leader type thing, to them he's kooler than Jesus.

Example....

They post weird memes to show what's on their minds and no matter how many times I point out how very illiterate "orange man bad" sounds and why not use "bad orange man" they stick to that persona of lowbrow less educated, you know guys that think it's Kool dolt45 tapped a porn star or two while cheating. On his wife and got hauled into court for it.

You brought him up on this topic that's not about him. And yet you felt compelled to say, Orange Man Bad.

Kinda like keep scratching an itch that won't quit, isn't it?

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5 minutes ago, Hawken said:

You brought him up on this topic that's not about him. And yet you felt compelled to say, Orange Man Bad.

Kinda like keep scratching an itch that won't quit, isn't it?

 

Dude, please evict me I don't wanna live rent free in your head,

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12 minutes ago, the13bats said:

 

Dude, please evict me I don't wanna live rent free in your head,

God, that phrase is so over used.

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