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ICJ orders Israel to halt Rafah operation

The International Court of Justice in the Hague ordered Israel to halt its Rafah operation, in a blow to Jerusalem’s diplomatic and judicial systems, on Friday. The court also ordered Israel to enable the entry of all the necessary humanitarian aid to Gaza.

https://www.jpost.com/international/article-802556

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Hamas welcomes ICJ order on Rafah, but says ruling doesn’t go far enough

The Hamas terror group welcomes the International Court of Justice’s order for Israel to halt military operations in Rafah that would risk the destruction of the civilian population sheltering there.

However, the Gaza-based terror organization tells Reuters that the ruling fell short of recognizing the ongoing fighting in other parts of the enclave. “We believe it is not enough since the occupation’s aggression across the Gaza Strip, especially in northern Gaza, is just as brutal and dangerous,” senior Hamas official Basem Naim says.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/hamas-welcomes-icj-order-on-rafah-but-says-ruling-doesnt-go-far-enough/

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9 minutes ago, Kittens Are Jerks said:

Hamas welcomes ICJ order on Rafah, but says ruling doesn’t go far enough

The Hamas terror group welcomes the International Court of Justice’s order for Israel to halt military operations in Rafah that would risk the destruction of the civilian population sheltering there.

However, the Gaza-based terror organization tells Reuters that the ruling fell short of recognizing the ongoing fighting in other parts of the enclave. “We believe it is not enough since the occupation’s aggression across the Gaza Strip, especially in northern Gaza, is just as brutal and dangerous,” senior Hamas official Basem Naim says.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/hamas-welcomes-icj-order-on-rafah-but-says-ruling-doesnt-go-far-enough/

Kinda strange seeing the leaders of a terror network, and International world leaders thinking so much alike...

Clown world.

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IGNORE THEM ALL AND FINISH THE JOB, IDF!

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Four ICJ judges argue that court order does not require IDF halting all Rafah operations

Four of the 15 justices at the International Court of Justice argue that the key operative clause in the court’s ruling, handed out today, does not require that Israel immediately halt all military operations in Rafah, but, rather, that it specifically halt military operations that “could bring about physical destruction in whole or in part” of the Palestinians.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/three-icj-judges-argue-that-court-order-does-not-require-idf-halting-all-rafah-operations/

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'Rafah op. doesn't contradict ICJ ruling, we will continue,' Israel says

The IDF intends to push on with its military operation in Rafah to defeat Hamas, Minister-without-portfolio Benny Gantz told US Secretary of State Antony Blinken on Friday, after the International Court of Justice’s demand that it halt any campaign in that area to destroy the Palestinian people.

“The State of Israel is committed to continue fighting to return its hostages and promise the security of its citizens - wherever and whenever necessary - including in Rafah,” Gantz said in a statement he issued late Friday after the ICJ ruling.

https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-802572

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42 minutes ago, Kittens Are Jerks said:

Four ICJ judges argue that court order does not require IDF halting all Rafah operations

Four of the 15 justices at the International Court of Justice argue that the key operative clause in the court’s ruling, handed out today, does not require that Israel immediately halt all military operations in Rafah, but, rather, that it specifically halt military operations that “could bring about physical destruction in whole or in part” of the Palestinians.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/three-icj-judges-argue-that-court-order-does-not-require-idf-halting-all-rafah-operations/

"Could bring about physical destruction in whole or in part of the Palestinians".

That's what war is/does,even moreso when fighting an unconventional enemy who uses their citizens as human shields.

Western methods stopped working after WW2.

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13 minutes ago, CrimsonKing said:

"Could bring about physical destruction in whole or in part of the Palestinians".

That's what war is/does,even moreso when fighting an unconventional enemy who uses their citizens as human shields.

Western methods stopped working after WW2.

The ICJ's anti-Israel bias is palpable. The court's reluctance to acknowledge Israel's right to defend itself, coupled with its failure to ignore Hamas’ role in exacerbating conditions (by seizing humanitarian aid, rejecting ceasefire deals, using civilians as human shields, etc.) shows just how skewed it is.

The court has also made no mention of how the war has affected the many thousands of Israeli civilians who have had to spend the last seven months living as refugees, having been forced to evacuate from the villages burned and bombed by Hamas near Gaza and from towns bordering Lebanon that have been under constant attacks by Hezbollah.

ICJ’s selective justice: How bias skews Rafah ruling against Israel

Imagine a courtroom where justice is served with a selective spoon. In 2018, the ICJ refrained from imposing immediate measures on Myanmar, despite clear evidence of a genocidal campaign against the Rohingya. Fast forward to 2024, and the same court swiftly orders Israel to halt its military operation in Rafah, disregarding the complex security challenges posed by Hamas. This glaring inconsistency exposes a troubling hypocrisy in the ICJ's handling of international conflicts.

https://www.jpost.com/opinion/article-802566

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4 minutes ago, Kittens Are Jerks said:

The ICJ's anti-Israel bias is palpable. The court's reluctance to acknowledge Israel's right to defend itself, coupled with its failure to ignore Hamas’ role in exacerbating conditions (by seizing humanitarian aid, rejecting ceasefire deals, using civilians as human shields, etc.) shows just how skewed it is.

The court has also made no mention of how the war has affected the many thousands of Israeli civilians who have had to spend the last seven months living as refugees, having been forced to evacuate from the villages burned and bombed by Hamas near Gaza and from towns bordering Lebanon that have been under constant attacks by Hezbollah.

ICJ’s selective justice: How bias skews Rafah ruling against Israel

Imagine a courtroom where justice is served with a selective spoon. In 2018, the ICJ refrained from imposing immediate measures on Myanmar, despite clear evidence of a genocidal campaign against the Rohingya. Fast forward to 2024, and the same court swiftly orders Israel to halt its military operation in Rafah, disregarding the complex security challenges posed by Hamas. This glaring inconsistency exposes a troubling hypocrisy in the ICJ's handling of international conflicts.

https://www.jpost.com/opinion/article-802566

Good article...this ICJ seems to be trying the Biden approach though,of speaking out of both ends.

That little snippet I quoted of yours previously,leaves a whole lot of "vagueness" to see through clearly.

Do they just determine on the spot how much is too much "physical destruction of the Palestinians"?... that's asinine 

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1 minute ago, CrimsonKing said:

Good article...this ICJ seems to be trying the Biden approach though,of speaking out of both ends.

That little snippet I quoted of yours previously,leaves a whole lot of "vagueness" to see through clearly.

Do they just determine on the spot how much is too much "physical destruction of the Palestinians"?... that's asinine 

Both the ICJ and Biden have disgraced themselves. Biden did not help matters by openly stating that an IDF invasion of Rafa was a 'red line', convinced that there was no way Israel could evacuate civilians without a huge death count. The Israelis are proving him wrong.

As for the 'physical destruction in whole or in part of the Palestinians', I agree that the statement is vague, although the court would be hard pressed to be any more specific than that. What's important is that the Israelis continue to take the necessary precautions to mitigate civilian deaths in Rafa.

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Earlier in this discussion I mentioned the 'many thousands' of Israeli civilians who are still displaced from their homes in the border towns, and cities of northern Israel. I found a source that places the number of their number at more than 60,000.

https://www.jpost.com/opinion/article-802451

 

 

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9 hours ago, CrimsonKing said:

Western methods stopped working after WW2.

Israel has existential enemies in Gaza and Judea and Samaria.  No other nation on the planet would be subjected to demands that they live next to such unrepentant enemies.  IDF... FINISH HAMAS no matter what it takes.

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8 hours ago, Kittens Are Jerks said:

Earlier in this discussion I mentioned the 'many thousands' of Israeli civilians who are still displaced from their homes in the border towns, and cities of northern Israel. I found a source that places the number of their number at more than 60,000.

https://www.jpost.com/opinion/article-802451

 

 

60,000 displaced....and you're shocked and saddened by that?! How do you feel about 2.4 million people (already refugees from over 75 years now) forcefully displaced, bombed daily, starved, continually told to keep moving to 'safe zones' then bombed there again. No homes left to go to, no schools, hospitals, mosques or churches left standing. 

But obviously these 'human animals' all deserve this....they started it. They will all suffer the consequences like 'Amalek'.

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22 minutes ago, Star Chaser said:

60,000 displaced....and you're shocked and saddened by that?! How do you feel about 2.4 million people (already refugees from over 75 years now) forcefully displaced, bombed daily, starved, continually told to keep moving to 'safe zones' then bombed there again. No homes left to go to, no schools, hospitals, mosques or churches left standing. 

But obviously these 'human animals' all deserve this....they started it. They will all suffer the consequences like 'Amalek'.

Why yes, and as a consequence let’s establish an organisation whose charter calls for the genocide of their enemies across the globe! 

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4 hours ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

Why yes, and as a consequence let’s establish an organisation whose charter calls for the genocide of their enemies across the globe! 

Groups like Hamas don't spring out of the blue. Hamas is a consequence of Israeli Apartheid and Occupation for the last 75 years plus. Bibi even allowed and funded them. He used Hamas to divide the Palestinians and justify the ongoing Occupation and subjugation of Palestinians in both Gaza and the West Bank.

Hamas wouldn't exist if the Palestinians were free. 

By the way, where in their current charter does it say it wants to 'genocide their enemies across the globe'? Take your time looking for that one...I'll wait!

So I take it your also equally appalled by the genocidal comments AND actions of Israel and the IDF then?

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C7Ue9MjvyEL/?igsh=MTY5OTZqeDk1ZjlqaQ==

 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C7XvuIQoiSv/?igsh=MTYwOXMyNTNiY3B5eg==

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14 minutes ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

The following is a good primer on Iran's terror network round the world. It covers Hamas, Hezbollah, and  the Palestinian Islamic Jihad, among others throughout the Middle East.

https://www.ajc.org/news/hezbollah-hamas-and-more-irans-terror-network-around-the-globe

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6 hours ago, Star Chaser said:

60,000 displaced....and you're shocked and saddened by that?! How do you feel about 2.4 million people (already refugees from over 75 years now) forcefully displaced, bombed daily, starved, continually told to keep moving to 'safe zones' then bombed there again. No homes left to go to, no schools, hospitals, mosques or churches left standing. 

But obviously these 'human animals' all deserve this....they started it. They will all suffer the consequences like 'Amalek'.

The only 'human animals' in Gaza are Hamas and its enablers. No one here has stated otherwise.

And of course I'm saddened by the 60,000 displaced Israelis, and especially by what happened on October 7. I'm also saddened by the way in which innocent Palestinians have suffered at the hands of Hamas over the years, as well as how they're suffering now.

'Whatboutism' games, by the way, solve nothing. The human heart should be capable of feeling compassion for all innocents.

So my question to you now is this: are you not saddened by what happened on October 7?

 

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After ICJ ruling, Israel says it ‘has not and will not’ destroy Rafah’s civilian population

Israel’s National Security Council and Foreign Ministry on Friday issued a joint statement responding to the International Court of Justice’s ruling on Rafah, saying Israel “has not and will not” carry out operations that risk the destruction of the civilian population in the southern Gaza city. The Israeli statement said the charges of genocide brought by South Africa against Israel at the ICJ in The Hague were “false, outrageous and morally repugnant.”

https://www.timesofisrael.com/after-icj-ruling-israel-says-it-has-not-and-will-not-destroy-rafahs-civilian-population/

ETA  —  It should be noted that one of the ICJ's judges, the  Honorable Judge Julia Sebutinde, held that, in the absence of any evidence of genocide, the ICJ had no jurisdiction to adjudicate and, therefore, no jurisdiction to make interim orders.

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1 hour ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

Yes actually, I am capable of seeing that both sides are in their own ways abominable. 

I agree with you there....but not the Palestinian people. Don't conflate Hamas with the millions of innocent Palestinians. This is how they are dehumanised and this is how we are now allowing this Genocide to happen. 

Plus, ADL is not the Hamas charter. Like I said I'll wait for you to provide the reference to the following....

6 hours ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

charter calls for the genocide of their enemies across the globe! 

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29 minutes ago, Kittens Are Jerks said:

The only 'human animals' in Gaza are Hamas and its enablers. No one here has stated otherwise.

Try telling that to the Israeli government and their continuous use of Genocidal language. 

 

31 minutes ago, Kittens Are Jerks said:

The human heart should be capable of feeling compassion for all innocents.

Yet you still want the IDF to continue slaughtering innocent men, women and children. Thousands of children killed and you feel compassion....how charitable of you.

 

36 minutes ago, Kittens Are Jerks said:

So my question to you now is this: are you not saddened by what happened on October 7?

What do you think Sherlock?! 

How do you feel about October the 6th, October the 5th, October the 4th, October 3rd etc etc.... innocent Palestinians have been killed every single day prior to the 7th. How do you feel about their plight? Do the Palestinians not deserve freedom and the right of self determination? Do the Palestinians not deserve justice? 

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1 hour ago, Star Chaser said:

Yet you still want the IDF to continue slaughtering innocent men, women and children. Thousands of children killed and you feel compassion....how charitable of you.

And yet you still want Hamas to continue slaughtering the innocent men, women and children of Israel. How charitable of you.

1 hour ago, Star Chaser said:

How do you feel about October the 6th, October the 5th, October the 4th, October 3rd etc etc.... innocent Palestinians have been killed every single day prior to the 7th. How do you feel about their plight? Do the Palestinians not deserve freedom and the right of self determination? Do the Palestinians not deserve justice? 

How do you feel about October 6th, October the 5th, October the 4th, etc., when innocent Israelis were killed by Hamas and other terrorists?

Indeed, how do you feel about the ethnic cleansing of Jews from most of the Middle East?

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4 hours ago, Kittens Are Jerks said:

Indeed, how do you feel about the ethnic cleansing of Jews from most of the Middle East?

What do the Palestinians have to do with that? 

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2 hours ago, Star Chaser said:

What do the Palestinians have to do with that? 

It has to do with your comment about Palestinians "already refugees from over 75 years now."

Jews and Jewish communities have existed in significant numbers in the Middle East and North Africa for more than 2500 years — a full 1,000 years before the advent of Islam. Following the UN's decision to partition Palestine in 1947, the status of the Jews changed significantly between 1948 and 1972. Pogroms and violent attacks were perpetrated in every Arab country against Jewish residents, resulting in more than 850,000 Jewish refugees — significantly more than the just over 700,000 Palestinians who became refugees (during a war against Israel that was started by them and various Arab countries).

 

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Confused by the ICJ’s decision on Gaza? Blame the judges’ deliberate ambiguity

Maybe one day Aharon Barak, the ad-hoc judge representing Israel at the International Court of Justice, will reveal what happened behind the scenes when all 15 judges came to formulate their decision in South Africa’s fourth request for temporary orders against Israel, within the framework of its claim based on the Convention for the Prevention of Genocide.

How, he might explain, did Friday’s ruling end up with the main issue on the agenda – the question of whether the judges would order Israel to stop its military operation in Rafah – not answered explicitly.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/confused-by-the-icjs-decision-on-gaza-blame-the-judges-deliberate-ambiguity/

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