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3 hours ago, Destination Unknown said:

With the recent passing of the 'Animal Welfare (Livestock Exports) Bill' into UK law, any attempt by Labour to reverse Brexit and rejoin the EU would mean that the UK would have to lower its animal welfare standards, because European Union trade rules prevent member states from banning live exports to other countries in the bloc. Are you happy with that pellinore? 🤔

Here's agricultural news publisher 'Agriland UK' telling you about the latest Brexit benefit:

Quote: "The passing of the Animal Welfare (Livestock Exports Bill) means taking advantage of Brexit freedoms which mean the UK can ban live animal exports, which was prevented under EU rules."

Keep on dreaming pellinore, because rejoining the EU is never going to happen, and in another 10 years time you'll still be on here screeching about the EU, and I'll have had another 10 years of enjoyment laughing at you. 😂😂😂😂👇👇👇👇

https://www.agriland.co.uk/farming-news/uk-set-to-ban-livestock-exports-after-bill-is-passed/

The UK has used Brexit as an opportunity to use banned pesticides: UK falling behind EU pesticide standards - Pesticide Action Network UK (pan-uk.org) and weaken water regulations: England to diverge from EU water monitoring standards | Rivers | The Guardian

That is the whole point of deregulation- to make thinks cheaper to maximise profits for shareholders. Good news on live exporting, but better standards are few and far between, because that is contrary to the aim.

 

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@pellinore - enough with calling Destination Unknown 'steve' please, you are being deliberately antagonistic with that.

Similalrly, @Destination Unknown - this works both ways, calling people "remoaning little crybabies" is no better.

It would work best if everyone stopped with the insults and derogatory personal remarks.

Thank you.

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2 hours ago, itsnotoutthere said:

You've sort of inadvertently  hit the nail on the head there. Labour won't mention it because, suggesting rejoining would lose them the election as there are still far more people that want nothing to do with the undemocratic EU (German) experiment than want to rejoin. If it were a vote winner they would be shouting it from the rooftops, you know Starmer, he'll say anything to get into power. But yes I've no doubt that once elected Starmer will attempt to take us back in, it's the sort of anti-democratic crap we've come to expect from our politicians.

If any govt could guarantee the terms we had in 2016, they would be voted for by a landslide. Even Farage admits it has been a failure. And it is hardly undemocratic to do what the majority of the electorate want.

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1 hour ago, pellinore said:

Good news, but a bit ironic, since the whole point of Brexit (and its effect) is to buy imported cheap meat produced to lower standards. (At present most of our meat is sourced from the EU anyway, and probably always will be, for logistical reasons).

And are you suggesting people voted for Brexit because they were concerned about animal welfare? 

Are you actually for real pellinore?

Just what planet are you on?

That wasn't the whole point of Brexit at all. Where on earth have you got that from pellinore?

Cite your credible source for your ridiculous claim that "the whole point of Brexit is to buy imported cheap meat produced to lower standards".

Go on, cite your source, and enlighten us all as to where this cheap meat you claim is of lower standards is coming from then. Bet you can't.

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45 minutes ago, Destination Unknown said:

Cite your credible source for your ridiculous claim that "the whole point of Brexit is to buy imported cheap meat produced to lower standards".

Go on, cite your source, and enlighten us all as to where this cheap meat you claim is of lower standards is coming from then. Bet you can't.

It is everywhere. It is cheaper because it is produced to a lower standard. It the whole point of Brexit. Here's Rees Mogg saying the very thing:

 

 

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1 hour ago, pellinore said:

If any govt could guarantee the terms we had in 2016, they would be voted for by a landslide. Even Farage admits it has been a failure. And it is hardly undemocratic to do what the majority of the electorate want.

Which is to stay out of the EU, we were given a vote, remember.

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6 minutes ago, itsnotoutthere said:

Which is to stay out of the EU, we were given a vote, remember.

Brexit had two main aims- to keep the money of the wealthy out of EU regulations which required them to be transparent about their tax affairs; and to deregulate so we could buy cheap tack instead of food and goods produced to EU standards. Now the public have seen that only the first aim has been met, the second hasn't and we don't want either anyway.

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12 minutes ago, pellinore said:

It is cheaper because it is produced to a lower standard.

It's cheaper because the same standard can be produced cheaper than your beloved EU. So where is this cheap meat you claim is of lower standards coming from then?

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3 minutes ago, pellinore said:

Brexit had two main aims- to keep the money of the wealthy out of EU regulations which required them to be transparent about their tax affairs; and to deregulate so we could buy cheap tack instead of food and goods produced to EU standards. Now the public have seen that only the first aim has been met, the second hasn't and we don't want either anyway.

Brexit had one main aim pellinore, to get our country out of a wannabe federal European Superstate that nobody ever even voted to join in the first place, but one that had been imposed on us through stealth without our consent.

I really do not understand why you Remoaners have to continuously invent ridiculous reasons for the UK's democratically mandated exit from the European Union in order to justify to yourself why Remain LOST.

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36 minutes ago, pellinore said:

Brexit had two main aims- to keep the money of the wealthy out of EU regulations which required them to be transparent about their tax affairs; and to deregulate so we could buy cheap tack instead of food and goods produced to EU standards. Now the public have seen that only the first aim has been met, the second hasn't and we don't want either anyway.

Yes that'll happen when you put remainers in charge of implementing Brexit.

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2 minutes ago, itsnotoutthere said:

Yes that'll happen when you put remainers in charge of implementing Brexit.

Any excuse, eh?

And those in charge were the democratically elected government. Or are you only pro-democracy when convenient.

Then of course we had Johnson's government, in an election you have repeatedly cited as proof people wanted Brexit. He also couldn't make a success of it.

So which is it? Did you support a remainer or an incompetent?

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3 minutes ago, Setton said:

Any excuse, eh?

And those in charge were the democratically elected government. Or are you only pro-democracy when convenient.

Then of course we had Johnson's government, in an election you have repeatedly cited as proof people wanted Brexit. He also couldn't make a success of it.

So which is it? Did you support a remainer or an incompetent?

Both as it transpires.

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4 minutes ago, itsnotoutthere said:

Both as it transpires.

Ah Boris, the closet remainer. Of course.

In your reality, did anyone actually support Brexit?

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Just now, Setton said:

Ah Boris, the closet remainer. Of course.

In your reality, did anyone actually support Brexit?

Yes, the majority of the British population.

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4 hours ago, itsnotoutthere said:

Yes, the majority of the British population.

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What if you put them in charge and they fail too? Then will you just rewrite it so they never supported it too?

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1 hour ago, Setton said:

What if you put them in charge and they fail too? Then will you just rewrite it so they never supported it too?

Not sure I even understand what that sentence means, besides define fail, I think Brexit was a massive win all round. 

Also:-   https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/german-mood-turned-against-eu-survey-shows-before-european-vote/ar-BB1nfM5Q?ocid=BingHp01&cvid=8b50dff71c2a4a7db3712b0b5038dd6a&ei=19

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59 minutes ago, itsnotoutthere said:

Not sure I even understand what that sentence means, besides define fail, I think Brexit was a massive win all round. 

Also:-   https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/german-mood-turned-against-eu-survey-shows-before-european-vote/ar-BB1nfM5Q?ocid=BingHp01&cvid=8b50dff71c2a4a7db3712b0b5038dd6a&ei=19

You literally just said it failed because you put remainders in charge...

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On 5/29/2024 at 10:32 AM, pellinore said:

The UK has used Brexit as an opportunity to use banned pesticides: UK falling behind EU pesticide standards - Pesticide Action Network UK (pan-uk.org) and weaken water regulations: England to diverge from EU water monitoring standards | Rivers | The Guardian

That is the whole point of deregulation- to make thinks cheaper to maximise profits for shareholders. Good news on live exporting, but better standards are few and far between, because that is contrary to the aim.

Lets unpick the spin in this.

What the media are saying is the EU poops golden rainbows. That it can do nothing wrong, that its decisions are superior to that of other nations, and in the case of Britain that its independence is causing it to head backwards. Essentially its a love affair with the EU, where the political project is put on a pedestal and where Britain can only do wrong. Its pathetic, biased, and corrupt.

There are one million and one substances that are harmful to human health, but not when people are exposed to miniscule quantities. Hence the reason you have E numbers in your food, why pesticides (which are essentially nerve gas) can be sprayed on crops, and even why toxic chemicals can be injected into you to treat any number of various medical conditions.

The UK has good food standards with rigorous testing, if anything is a risk its banned, if anything is a risk beyond specific levels it gets regulated to stay within them. What`s the issue here? Well, many of us here know the issue. You have no interest in the science or food standard decisions. You`re here because you are in love with the EU and cannot accept the democratic will of the British people.

You have put on sunglasses that make everything coming out of the EUs butt a golden colour. The rest of us can smell the waft coming from it though, and no that`s not cow manure.

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On 5/29/2024 at 5:24 PM, Setton said:

What if you put them in charge and they fail too? Then will you just rewrite it so they never supported it too?

You are a bit quick to rush to judgement there.

Britain has coped well with the global problems of the coronavirus pandemic and the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Its done better than France and Germany, look at our economic position.

At some point the global problems will end and we will get a straight run of good times lasting 1-2 decades like normal. We will punch above our weight with that too now we are free from the shackles of the EU. It will take EU nations longer to climb out of their national debts because they are banned from using the full range of fiscal measures needed.

Remember, they cannot devalue their currency, cannot inflate the debt away, cannot default on their debt, are solely reliant on bailouts from the ECB which imposes harsh austerity in return, and should they decide to break the rules anyway then unfortunately they have all deposited a large chunk of their gold at the ECB which Germany will then move to annex.

In fact, its been designed with that end outcome in mind. Lets look at Britain to reveal something. How often have we had to devalue our currency? Its about once a decade. Learn from it, member states of the EU have entered into a Prussian trap. All its member states need full fiscal powers to navigate economic problems from time to time. None of them have them. It is exposure to the passage of time which will get them.

Unfortunately the morons who want to hung each other and sing `all together now` are the very last people that should be listened too. They are literally clueless. They couldn`t even tell you about the above, because to them the EU only poops golden rainbows.

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1 minute ago, Duke Wellington said:

You are a bit quick to rush to judgement there.

Britain has coped well with the global problems of the coronavirus pandemic and the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Its done better than France and Germany, look at our economic position.

At some point the global problems will end and we will get a straight run of good times lasting 1-2 decades like normal. We will punch above our weight with that too now we are free from the shackles of the EU. It will take EU nations longer to climb out of their national debts because they are banned from using the full range of fiscal measures needed.

Remember, they cannot devalue their currency, cannot inflate the debt away, cannot default on their debt, are solely reliant on bailouts from the ECB which imposes harsh austerity in return, and should they decide to break the rules anyway then unfortunately they have all deposited a large chunk of their gold at the ECB which Germany will then move to annex.

In fact, its been designed with that end outcome in mind. Lets look at Britain to reveal something. How often have we had to devalue our currency? Its about once a decade. Learn from it, member states of the EU have entered into a Prussian trap. All its member states need full fiscal powers to navigate economic problems from time to time. None of them have them.

Unfortunately the morons who want to hung each other and sing `all together now` are the very last people that should be listened too. They are literally clueless. They couldn`t even tell you about the above, because to them the EU only poops golden rainbows.

Perhaps you should direct this to @itsnotoutthere, since he's the hardline Brexit supporter who thinks it's failed.

Might give him  comfort to indulge a little fantasy at this difficult time.

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36 minutes ago, Setton said:

Perhaps you should direct this to @itsnotoutthere, since he's the hardline Brexit supporter who thinks it's failed.

Might give him  comfort to indulge a little fantasy at this difficult time.

It's failed people (communists)  like you, agreed.

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3 hours ago, itsnotoutthere said:

It's failed people (communists)  like you, agreed.

Ooh are we going to do that fun game again where you/mongoose claim I'm a communist, give me a bunch of policy positions to choose from and I come out right in the middle?

It was fun last time. Odd that neither of you hung around after.

Or we can discuss the fact you claim it failed because remainers were in charge. So remainers helped stop us communists. But remainers are also communists. Do you want to try again or are you not quite dizzy enough yet?

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26 minutes ago, Setton said:

Ooh are we going to do that fun game again where you/mongoose claim I'm a communist, give me a bunch of policy positions to choose from and I come out right in the middle?

It was fun last time. Odd that neither of you hung around after.

Or we can discuss the fact you claim it failed because remainers were in charge. So remainers helped stop us communists. But remainers are also communists. Do you want to try again or are you not quite dizzy enough yet?

You didn`t come out in the middle though, and yes we can hear you playing the USSR anthem all the way from here.

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5 minutes ago, Duke Wellington said:

You didn`t come out in the middle though,

Literally everyone except you thinks otherwise.

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and yes we can hear you playing the USSR anthem all the way from here.

Says the guy who would sell his own country out to benefit Russia...

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