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Ethical conduct indispensable for attaining enlightenment or Buddhahood


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Ethical conduct in the form of right speech, right livelihood and right effort are considered to be vital practices leading to enlightenment in Buddhism or Buddhahood.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noble_Eightfold_Path

https://studybuddhism.com/en/tibetan-buddhism/about-buddhism/buddha-s-basic-message/a-full-buddhist-life-the-eightfold-path/the-three-trainings

Ethical conduct is also emphasized in the religious philosophies of Hinduism, Jainism and Sufism for attaining enlightenment.

This itself is a refutation of the nihilist and existentialist premise that life is meaningless and all values and virtues are but abstract mental contrivances without any relevance of their own.

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4 hours ago, Ajay0 said:

Ethical conduct in the form of right speech, right livelihood and right effort are considered to be vital practices leading to enlightenment in Buddhism or Buddhahood.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noble_Eightfold_Path

https://studybuddhism.com/en/tibetan-buddhism/about-buddhism/buddha-s-basic-message/a-full-buddhist-life-the-eightfold-path/the-three-trainings

Ethical conduct is also emphasized in the religious philosophies of Hinduism, Jainism and Sufism for attaining enlightenment.

Agreed.  Ethical conduct gets rid of a lot of Karma, provided you aren't using it merely to virtue signal.  

5 hours ago, Ajay0 said:

This itself is a refutation of the nihilist and existentialist premise that life is meaningless and all values and virtues are but abstract mental contrivances without any relevance of their own.

Before I agree with this statement, I'd like you to develop and expand on what you mean here Ajay0.

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11 hours ago, Ajay0 said:

This itself is a refutation of the nihilist and existentialist premise that life is meaningless and all values and virtues are but abstract mental contrivances without any relevance of their own.

It doesn't refute nihilism though. Meaning is something that people attribute to something. All values and virtues exist solely because people believe they do. 

Grind the universe into the finest powder and you won't find one particle of respect, kindness, or compassion.

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6 hours ago, XenoFish said:

It doesn't refute nihilism though. Meaning is something that people attribute to something. All values and virtues exist solely because people believe they do. 

Grind the universe into the finest powder and you won't find one particle of respect, kindness, or compassion.

I think your right on both counts..cuz beliefs, values, virtues ,respect, kindness, & compassion are born of intentions?  not powder or particles. ?   

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5 minutes ago, lightly said:

I think your right on both counts..cuz beliefs, values, virtues ,respect, kindness, & compassion are born of intentions?  not powder or particles. ?   

It's an entirely human thing. 

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Religions, spirituality, philosophies, etc are just stories people tell themselves. Just so they can have a sense of rightness in their lives. It still is just a story. Then the wishful thinking of meaning making. Some like to impose their story on others, as if they know the correct one. 

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5 hours ago, XenoFish said:

Religions, spirituality, philosophies, etc are just stories people tell themselves. Just so they can have a sense of rightness in their lives. It still is just a story. Then the wishful thinking of meaning making. Some like to impose their story on others, as if they know the correct one. 

You have a way with words X … I’ve (thoughtfully) read and re-read that about 12 times now,  and it still makes really good Sense!   :tu:

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7 minutes ago, lightly said:

You have a way with words X … I’ve (thoughtfully) read and re-read that about 12 times now,  and it still makes really good Sense!   :tu:

If you're going to tell yourself a story, make it a good one.:tsu:

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On 5/28/2024 at 6:24 AM, Ajay0 said:

Ethical conduct in the form of right speech, right livelihood and right effort are considered to be vital practices leading to enlightenment in Buddhism or Buddhahood.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noble_Eightfold_Path

https://studybuddhism.com/en/tibetan-buddhism/about-buddhism/buddha-s-basic-message/a-full-buddhist-life-the-eightfold-path/the-three-trainings

Ethical conduct is also emphasized in the religious philosophies of Hinduism, Jainism and Sufism for attaining enlightenment.

This itself is a refutation of the nihilist and existentialist premise that life is meaningless and all values and virtues are but abstract mental contrivances without any relevance of their own.

well it is a little flabbergasting how this has been convulted in modern esoteric adaptations, right? ...because if we look at what it 'does for you':

right view, right resolve, right speech, right conduct, right livelihood, right effort, right mindfulness, and right samadhi

Those are basically coordinates you put in your little navi, or the 'true North for your compass' you set as a path through life. The beauty is how light you get when you found your 'calling' in a path like this or some personal adaptation you create for yourself.

And Western societies have turned/perverted this recipe into strange things like 'wish and the universe will give' or the more pop-version 'fake it until you make it'.

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