The Sealed Book of Revelation 5:1: A NEW Theory and a challenging question!

[Will Due]

5 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said:

John 8:58 suggests there was already an attempt by Jews to stone Jesus, regardless of its failure to occur. So even if the Jews had been directly involved they wouldn’t have necessarily cared who killed him. 
 

cormac

 

So why didn't they see to it to have him stoned to death without involving the Romans after the temple guards arrested him that night in the Garden of Gethsemane?

 

 

[+Hammerclaw]

 

[cormac mac airt]

1 minute ago, Will Due said:

So why didn't they see to it to have him stoned to death without involving the Romans after the temple guards arrested him that night in the Garden of Gethsemane?

From John 8 it’s suggested Jesus ran away and hid like a coward. Is that really what you’d expect from a Messiah? And not necessarily all Jews were against him, just those he’d offended. People get away with stupid **** all the time. Besides, Jesus’ time was up soon enough. 
 

cormac

[Will Due]

7 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said:

Which is NOT the same thing as fact. A difference of which you can’t distinguish quite often.

cormac

 

Stick to discussing stories. Since you seem to have a very hard time being technically right as to fact and everlastingly wrong in the truth.

 

 

[cormac mac airt]

2 minutes ago, Will Due said:

Stick to discussing stories. Since you seem to have a very hard time being technically right as to fact and everlastingly wrong in the truth.

RIGHT and TRUTH coming from you is an oxymoron if ever there was one. 
 

From my previous post: 

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From John 8 it’s suggested Jesus ran away and hid like a coward. Is that really what you’d expect from a Messiah?

Can you answer the question? 
 

cormac

[XenoFish]

Could be my warped sense of humor. But I just imagined Jesus laying on a pool float, dipping a glass in the water then drinking the wine. Jesus getting wasted in the swimming pool on holy spirits. 

[Will Due]

2 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said:

From John 8 it’s suggested Jesus ran away and hid like a coward. Is that really what you’d expect from a Messiah? And not necessarily all Jews were against him, just those he’d offended. People get away with stupid **** all the time. Besides, Jesus’ time was up soon enough. 
 

cormac

 

That's right. He avoided being captured because it wasn't his time yet. But when his hour did come, instead of, how did you say it? running like a coward he stood up like about as manly as man ever did to walk willfully into the fire of a mock trial and an unbelievably brutal execution which he could have easily avoided. What a story! 

 

 

 

[cormac mac airt]

Just now, Will Due said:

That's right. He avoided being captured because it wasn't his time yet. But when his hour did come, instead of, how did you say it? running like a coward he stood up like about as manly as man ever did to walk willfully into the fire of a mock trial and an unbelievably brutal execution which he could have easily avoided. What a story! 

The Son of God running away like a coward. That’s not remotely “manly”! 
 

cormac

[Will Due]

2 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said:

The Son of God running away like a coward. That’s not remotely “manly”! 
 

cormac

 

What is wrong with you? He didn't run away from death. He ran towards it. At the time of his choosing.

Why do you constantly let your anger towards God get the best of you? 

Give it up already.

 

 

Edited June 11 by Will Due

[Will Due]

 

It never fails to amaze me how certain people get so angry about what's written about characters in stories they claim are total fiction.

 

 

[XenoFish]

4 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said:

That’s not remotely “manly”! 

Are you kidding? He died on purpose in order to return at some point to wipe out all life on earth with an army. It was a tactical move.😆

[XenoFish]

Just now, Will Due said:

It never fails to amaze me how certain people get so angry about what's written about characters in stories they claim are total fiction.

What amazes me is people who believe wholeheartedly in fictional characters as if they truly existed. Even willing to die for them, and worse murder. Jesus is just as real as Harry Potter.

[cormac mac airt]

1 minute ago, Will Due said:

What is wrong with you? He didn't run away from death. He ran towards it. At the time of his choosing.

No, he didn’t. Stoning was a death sentence and the Biblical story says he ran and hid, like a coward. He could have just stood there completely impervious from all harm, being the Son of God, but he didn’t. 
 

Why do you keep pretending you speak for any God? 
 

cormac

[Will Due]

1 minute ago, XenoFish said:

Are you kidding? He died on purpose in order to return at some point to wipe out all life on earth with an army. It was a tactical move.😆

 

Excuse me. No, that isn't right. The Jews killed him because he said he wouldn't wipe out all life on Earth except the Jews, with an army.

 

 

[Will Due]

3 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said:

like a coward. 

 

Have you fallen into the fad of the day? Accusing someone of who you are? 

 

 

 

[Will Due]

 

Jesus of Nazareth was the manliest man who ever lived. 

Oh s*** there I go again. Preaching 

 

 

 

[XenoFish]

1 minute ago, Will Due said:

 

Jesus of Nazareth was the manliest man who ever lived. 

Oh s*** there I go again. Preaching 

 

 

 

You're just being an ass again is all.

[Will Due]

3 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

You're just being an ass again is all.

 

Yeah stupid me. What I should have said is that Jesus of Nazareth IS the manliest man who ever lived.

 

 

[+joc]

1 hour ago, XenoFish said:

Could be my warped sense of humor. But I just imagined Jesus laying on a pool float, dipping a glass in the water then drinking the wine. Jesus getting wasted in the swimming pool on holy spirits. 

Definitely your warped since of humor!  

[+joc]

58 minutes ago, Will Due said:

 

Jesus of Nazareth was the manliest man who ever lived. 

Oh s*** there I go again. Preaching 

 

 

 

You don't know enough about scripture to preach.  And because you don't know anything about scripture, you don't have the foggiest idea how to relate the Biblical Stories to believers, much less those who are not.

[+joc]

1 hour ago, XenoFish said:

What amazes me is people who believe wholeheartedly in fictional characters as if they truly existed. Even willing to die for them, and worse murder. Jesus is just as real as Harry Potter.

Harry Potter is realer...because he is in more books than Jesus.

[ReadTheGreatControversyEGW]

On 6/8/2024 at 8:40 PM, TheOneInsideTheZero said:

So when I read 1 Peter 1:7 that says, "On the day Jesus Christ is revealed to the entire earth" I think it means a day right?

Which verse are you referring here? i dont read that in 1 Peter 1:7. It says this:

“That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:”

On 6/8/2024 at 8:40 PM, TheOneInsideTheZero said:

The other thing I will say is we know from scripture that Jesus fulfilled some o the prophecies but not all. 

Which ones did He not fulfill? 

On 6/8/2024 at 8:40 PM, TheOneInsideTheZero said:

Anyhow my point on sin is that "If God has bound all men to sin and disobedience" how can he damn us to hell for it if he's just at all. The truth he couldn't. He allows us to experience sins and it's consequences without us being held responsible for it. So that's a relief. But this spells problems for Christianity. Because if we are not guilt of sin what do we need forgiveness for or a savior for that matter. What we need is to get to the truth. 

So you're saying, you can lie, hurt your wife/husband, intentionally hurt someone, steal, take advantage of a person, create laws that you know oppress society, etc etc and get away with it? no consequences? No accountability? God will just do nothing? Watch innocent people be destroyed by wicked ones and just be as indifferent as ever, not a care in the universe? Well one can dream. Dream and reality can be very different tho. 

BTW, what verse is this--> "If God has bound all men to sin and disobedience" ? thank you. 

On 6/8/2024 at 8:40 PM, TheOneInsideTheZero said:

said he would never leave or forsake us and his word is very near us (Deu 30:14) even to dividing joints and marrow and if I made my bed in the depths of hell or the heights of heaven how is that we are some separated from God? 

Who were these promises given to? The audience? What kind of people? The worshippers of God/followers of Jesus Christ. Always. The promises of God were never without conditions. The comforter is the Spirit of God very clear from the text. Not everyone have the Spirit of God.

 "If ye love me, keep my commandments. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever.." 

On 6/8/2024 at 8:40 PM, TheOneInsideTheZero said:

Perfect love drives out fear. It hard to do but this idea that we just say some magical words and go to heaven is akeen to what the Bible calls "The foolishness of what was preached." We must all "Work out our own salvation with fear and trembling" and having done a lot of that work let me tell you it's quite the journey. Hope  this was thoughtful reply.

Thank you for sharing. I want to say that I definitely notice that you use some parts of the Bible and throw out the rest 😄... why is that? why do you do that? how do you make the decisions on which parts to keep? 

[Will Due]

3 minutes ago, ReadTheGreatControversyEGW said:

Which ones did He not fulfill? 

 

Jesus did not fulfill the prophecy that he would lead an army to install the Jews in rulership over all the peoples of the world.

 

 

 

[Guyver]

2 hours ago, Piney said:

Cowardly, but since Jesus was a Plebian farmer Pilate would have no problem genociding him either. 

Jesus was a carpenter from Nazareth.  Get your facts straight.

[Guyver]

He was the Son of the Most High, born of a virgin.  Mary, Mother Mary come to me speaking words of wisdom, let it be.