The Sealed Book of Revelation 5:1: A NEW Theory and a challenging question!

[Will Due]

25 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

I guess the OP didn't get the affirmation they wanted. So I doubt they'll be back to discuss this topic. From here on out it'll just devolve in to a UB thread yet again.

 

Okay Xeno, from here on out, I'm not going to sidetrack the thread with the discussion of the UB. I only referenced it in regard to the topic of the thread because I personally find what it says about the destruction of Jerusalem and a second coming, resolving, to what is said about it in the Bible. I already stated that the UB can be regarded as fiction and dismissed outright. I should have left it at that since I have lost the desire to defend it and not responded when its validity was questioned. I apologize for that and I agree that the OP will likely not continue to participate in the discussions. So having said what I wanted to say regarding the UB and the Bible, I will also likely not continue to participate and just move on.

 

 

Edited June 10 by Will Due

[+Sherapy]

10 hours ago, Will Due said:

 

I understand why you put up the numbers. But the numbers really don't have anything to do with whether or not people were camping. If it was 10, they were camping. If it was less than a million, they were still camping. 

 

 

A basic simple Google search would reveal that there was no camping  and city lights in 70 AD, the UB is a fiction made up for entertainment purposes.  

Edited June 10 by Sherapy

[+Hammerclaw]

4 minutes ago, Sherapy said:

A basic simple Google search would reveal that there was no camping  and city lights in 70 AD, the UB is a fiction made up for entertainment purposes.  

No one but ne'er-do-wells wanted to be on the street at night in the ancient world. 

[+Sherapy]

9 hours ago, Will Due said:

 

The mother of my children, my ex-wife, died in 2019. She was the love of my life and she still shows up in my dreams at night. I won't say anything else John.

 

 

My ex passed in 2016, it was hard on our kids, but for me I have been remarried to my best friend and the love of my life for 30 years therefore, there was minimal grief for me and does explain why you could push thru too. Sorry for your loss nonetheless as I am certain it is a huge void for your kids and affects you indirectly too.

Edited June 10 by Sherapy

[Antigonos]

46 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

I guess the OP didn't get the affirmation they wanted. So I doubt they'll be back to discuss this topic. From here on out it'll just devolve in to a UB thread yet again.

It’s that again,  or demons pretending to be aliens again. Either way you’re riding an Ouroboros of imbecility.

[+Sherapy]

4 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

No one but ne'er-do-wells wanted to be on the street at night in the ancient world. 

My two cents, Will could go along way by researching his claims too. 

[Antigonos]

2 minutes ago, Sherapy said:

My ex passed in 2016, it was hard on our kids, but for me I have been remarried to my best friend and the love of my life for 30 years therefore, there was minimal grief for me and does explain why you could push thru too. Sorry for your loss nonetheless as I am certain it is a huge void for your kids and affects you indirectly too.

I’m so sorry for your loss, Sherapy, but very glad you have found happiness again.

[Will Due]

Just now, Sherapy said:

My ex passed in 2016, it was hard on our kids, but for me I have been remarried to my best friend and the love of my life for 30 years therefore, there was little to no grief for me and does explain why you could push thru too. Sorry for your loss nonetheless as I am certain it is a huge void for your kids and affects you indirectly. 

 

Thanks Sheri, it looks like we have a shared experience as I have remarried too. I would just like to add that yes, it's a huge void for my kids which definitely does not affect me indirectly. There's a whole lot more I could say about it, but like discussing the UB, it would just be a distraction from the thread. But thanks again for your kind words.

 

 

[Antigonos]

Just now, Sherapy said:

My two cents, Will could go along way by researching his claims too. 

He might even find history interesting in general.

[Antigonos]

9 hours ago, Will Due said:

 

The mother of my children, my ex-wife, died in 2019. She was the love of my life and she still shows up in my dreams at night. I won't say anything else John.

 

 

I’m sorry for your loss, Will. I agree with what  John said to Piney, the pain never goes away ( nor should it) but the passage of time makes it a little easier to deal with.

[+Hammerclaw]

25 minutes ago, Sherapy said:

My two cents, Will could go along way by researching his claims too. 

It was dark, I mean pitch black. To be on the street long after sunset was to risk rape, robbery, death, being shanghaied and smuggled out of the city and sold to the merchant marine and chained to an oar in the stinking hold of a galley, or otherwise grabbed and press-ganged into slavery in some brutal mine. There was no way to identify yourself as a free person. Rome was covered in shoddily built brick apartment blocks 10 or 12 stories high. The worst accommodations were on the upper floors, no plumbing, water, privy except, perhaps a stinking pot. Dozens of people crammed into windowless rooms, enduring such bleak housing because they couldn't afford better and anything was better than the streets at night. Poor people didn't usually live where they slept, they lived, bathed, drank and fornicated on the street, only taking refuge in their meager accommodations at night.

Edited June 10 by Hammerclaw

[Will Due]

3 minutes ago, Antigonos said:

I’m sorry for your loss, Will. I agree with what  John said to Piney, the pain never goes away ( nor should it) but the passage of time makes it a little easier to deal with.

 

No, the pain never goes away. That's true. But like Sheri, I've moved on and am now married to my best friend too. Adopted her two children as my own when they were preschool age (they're both married now and about to have a baby of their own) and do everything in my power to contribute as positively as possible to everyone in my life. Which includes everyone here in the forum.

 

 

[Antigonos]

11 hours ago, Piney said:

People keep telling me that. I'm trying. 

 

 

I can’t imagine what you’re going through brother. But I do agree with the others, who have known you longer personally, that you’ll survive. From what you’ve told me about your life, and from our own interactions, I believe you at your core to be a strong person. Which doesn’t in any way lessen the enormity of your loss.  Everyone deals with grief differently; if it would help you, even a little, to talk about Maggie, share your memories, I’m always here for you.

[+Sherapy]

18 minutes ago, Will Due said:

 

No, the pain never goes away. That's true. But like Sheri, I've moved on and am now married to my best friend too. Adopted her two children as my own when they were preschool age (they're both married now and about to have a baby of their own) and do everything in my power to contribute as positively as possible to everyone in my life. Which includes everyone here in the forum.

 

 

Imagine losing your wife now, that is what piney is dealing with. Personally for me and as a hospice caregiver witnessing the devastation of losing a best friend, one’s everything there are no words or comfort for such a loss. The grief is debilitating on every level.  There is nothing to look forward too. What Piney is going thru isn’t anywhere on par with us losing our exes. IMHO. Let’s just be here for him, he will let us all know how we can help. 

[Will Due]

8 minutes ago, Sherapy said:

Imagine losing your wife now, that is what piney is dealing with. Personally for me and as a hospice caregiver witnessing the devastation of losing a best friend, one’s everything there are no words or comfort for such a loss. The grief is debilitating on every level.  There is nothing to look forward too. What Piney is going thru isn’t anywhere on par with us losing our exes. IMHO. Let’s just be here for him, he will let us all know how we can help. 

 

For whatever reason, I often think about what I would do if I would have to live the rest of my life without the person who has given me everything I ever needed. I usually don't think about it for long because it unnerves me that much. I honestly don't like trying to imagine what it's like and my heart goes out to Piney for what he's going through. I definitely don't want to say anything that will get him going and that has a lot to do with my change of direction in these discussions.

 

 

[XenoFish]

58 minutes ago, Antigonos said:

It’s that again,  or demons pretending to be aliens again. Either way you’re riding an Ouroboros of imbecility.

All of it is so boring to me now. Aliens, demons, Jesus return. I think a lot of people miss the point of faith and rarely follow the actual teachings. 

That whole "do to other", and "love thy neighbor" stuff seems forgotten. 

[+Hammerclaw]

1 hour ago, XenoFish said:

All of it is so boring to me now. Aliens, demons, Jesus return. I think a lot of people miss the point of faith and rarely follow the actual teachings. 

That whole "do to other", and "love thy neighbor" stuff seems forgotten. 

In Christian parlance, she's what they call "Obsessed of the Devil".

Edited June 10 by Hammerclaw

[+Sherapy]

59 minutes ago, Will Due said:

 

For whatever reason, I often think about what I would do if I would have to live the rest of my life without the person who has given me everything I ever needed. I usually don't think about it for long because it unnerves me that much. I honestly don't like trying to imagine what it's like and my heart goes out to Piney for what he's going through. I definitely don't want to say anything that will get him going and that has a lot to do with my change of direction in these discussions.

 

 

Thank you, Will. In my role as an end of life caregiver we use the approach of listening empathetically and validating the feelings and experiences of those facing the end of life and their loved ones this is crucial for providing effective support and comfort. We use skills such as, active listening, validation, and creating a safe space so a person can grieve. By actively listening to their concerns and fears without interruption, or advice one offers their undivided attention. Validating his emotions and experiences helps him feel understood and accepted, this fosters a sense of validation and empathy. Providing a safe and non-judgmental space for Piney and support from his UM family is his request so he can express himself openly this allows him the space to explore his thoughts and emotions without added pressures. And, respecting his autonomy in expressing grief and emotions on his own time line, can go along way in offering him comfort and support. I appreciate your support in this. Again, thanks, Will. 💖

[lightly]

On 6/9/2024 at 5:38 AM, Will Due said:

 

Truth is inconcussible 

 

 

Thanks Will, I learned a new word!   I like it.   I’m thinking the Earth orbits the Sun.. might be an inconcussible truth.?   (as of today anyway)       I’m also thinking that no opinion can change that truth..   the Earth orbits the Sun..  (as of today anyway)  

[lightly]

Hi, @Piney .. I’ve been listening..and I’ve been wondering ,for weeks really, if it might help..to get away for a week or two..if you could arrange it.   Maybe go hiking? & camping?  with  (bright eyed:) ‘little ninja’ and maybe a grandson or two.??      ⛅

[Piney]

Just now, lightly said:

Hi, @Piney .. I’ve been listening..and I’ve been wondering ,for weeks really, if it might help..to get away for a week or two..if you could arrange it.   Maybe go hiking? & camping?  with  (bright eyed:) ‘little ninja’ and maybe a grandson or two.??      ⛅

 Can't go to my forest with the whole underside of my Explorer ripped apart. It's getting a in tank fuel pump, the tank itself and the fuel lines.

  Little Ninja is in Poland with NATO and I'm not speaking to him or his brothers because their mother says and does the wrong things and their grandmother said nothing but the wrong things.

 I'm waiting for him to come here for our final conversation since he's no longer my executor or my heir. And it will be the last time we speak. 

And when I finally return to my forest, I'm not coming back. 

 

 

[+Hammerclaw]

 

[jmccr8]

1 hour ago, Piney said:

 Can't go to my forest with the whole underside of my Explorer ripped apart. It's getting a in tank fuel pump, the tank itself and the fuel lines.

  Little Ninja is in Poland with NATO and I'm not speaking to him or his brothers because their mother says and does the wrong things and their grandmother said nothing but the wrong things.

 I'm waiting for him to come here for our final conversation since he's no longer my executor or my heir. And it will be the last time we speak. 

And when I finally return to my forest, I'm not coming back. 

 

 

HI Piney

I all my friends, my brother and dad died from my ages of 21-27 and lost my children shortly after my dad died. I felt very alone for a while then came to the conclusion that the only one that I would know for the whole of my life through thick and thin was me and decided to make that the best relationship that I could. 

Yes I did shut down a part of myself which was my dependancy on having others around. I was and still am a social person and enjoy life because of what I invest in myself. I know right now you are feeling challenged by life and it is not something that that you cannot overcome. Enjoy and cherish the good memories and learn from the bad ones. You are a good person that others find value in knowing so don't sell your life short. 

[+Hammerclaw]

[+joc]

1 hour ago, Piney said:

 Can't go to my forest with the whole underside of my Explorer ripped apart. It's getting a in tank fuel pump, the tank itself and the fuel lines.

  Little Ninja is in Poland with NATO and I'm not speaking to him or his brothers because their mother says and does the wrong things and their grandmother said nothing but the wrong things.

 I'm waiting for him to come here for our final conversation since he's no longer my executor or my heir. And it will be the last time we speak. 

And when I finally return to my forest, I'm not coming back. 

 

 

You are a Rock Star!  No matter who says what...no matter who does what...

... You're a rock star! ⭐