Multiple video clips show brightly lit UFO flying over streets of Tehran

[Dejarma]

11 minutes ago, Hankenhunter said:

Shouldn't be difficult if someone from Tehran could do it, right? 

that to me suggests you feel folk from that area of the world are less able/ intelligent than you, or us in the west.

In the social climate these days you could get canceled for that!!! Well done oh clever one 

[Dejarma]

3 minutes ago, Antigonos said:

I don’t think he knows what prosaic means.

😁 i was going to suggest that but i guess that's rude & insulting= can't have that can we😉

[Hankenhunter]

22 minutes ago, Dejarma said:

that to me suggests you feel folk from that area of the world are less able/ intelligent than you, or us in the west.

In the social climate these days you could get canceled for that!!! Well done oh clever one 

Instead of flapping your gums to deflect, reproduce it. After all, you made the claim. Isn't that the scientific method? Or are you all hat and no horse? Four vids from four different locations. Waiting, waiting.

Edited June 21 by Hankenhunter

[Dejarma]

Just now, Hankenhunter said:

Instead of flapping your gums 

i could say the same to you! what are your opinions on footage before i prove it? 

[Hankenhunter]

14 minutes ago, Dejarma said:

i could say the same to you! what are your opinions on footage before i prove it? 

I'm on the fence. Now stop stalling, making excuses, and prove it. No cheating either. You have to create the UFO from scratch. Just like the Tehran UFO.

Edited June 21 by Hankenhunter

[Grey Area]

38 minutes ago, Hankenhunter said:

I'd like to see it reproduced with a different UFO, and different location. Shouldn't be difficult if someone from Tehran could do it, right? 

Why is this so hard to believe this could be CGI?  There’s plenty of open source editors that are capable of doing this, and with AI software cheap and accessible it’s even easier.

Add into this, you have a bright object, flying over the capital city of one of the more paranoid Middle Eastern states, on a level of alert due to tensions with Israel and all you get is a few seconds of footage from several convenient angles?

I mean, seriously, balloons are spotted over the US, they are intercepted and shot down, it’s in the news for a week, yet a bright green glowing object flying over Tehran not only is able to fly at low altitude but is able to travel with impunity, and is reported nowhere except on X?

Could this be a real object?  Sure, but it’s highly f’ing unlikely.

[Hankenhunter]

1 minute ago, Grey Area said:

Why is this so hard to believe this could be CGI?  There’s plenty of open source editors that are capable of doing this, and with AI software cheap and accessible it’s even easier.

Add into this, you have a bright object, flying over the capital city of one of the more paranoid Middle Eastern states, on a level of alert due to tensions with Israel and all you get is a few seconds of footage from several convenient angles?

I mean, seriously, balloons are spotted over the US, they are intercepted and shot down, it’s in the news for a week, yet a bright green glowing object flying over Tehran not only is able to fly at low altitude but is able to travel with impunity, and is reported nowhere except on X?

Could this be a real object?  Sure, but it’s highly f’ing unlikely.

Then it should be easy to reproduce, no?

[Dejarma]

Just now, Hankenhunter said:

I'm on the fence. Now stop stalling, making excuses, and prove it. 

no no on the fence is a weak response!! come on impress me.. prove to me you're not the one actually flapping one's gums

taking into account all you've done is nothing more than jump in shouting ya gob off, moaning with no substance as usual!!!= what do YOU think before i proceed?? 

[Hankenhunter]

13 minutes ago, Dejarma said:

no no on the fence is a weak response!! come on impress me.. prove to me you're not the one actually flapping one's gums

taking into account all you've done is nothing more than jump in shouting ya gob off, moaning with no substance as usual!!!= what do YOU think before i proceed?? 

Lol, Did you miss my post #130 where I said I was on the fence? You're stalling. Better get busy.

 

Edited June 21 by Hankenhunter

[Dejarma]

Just now, Hankenhunter said:

Lol, Did you miss my post where I said I was on the fence? You're stalling. Better get busy.

 

no i did not!!! are you taking the p***??? if you feel this footage is not CGI then explain why

[Hankenhunter]

5 minutes ago, Dejarma said:

no i did not!!! are you taking the p***??? if you feel this footage is not CGI then explain why

So are you going to admit you can't recreate it, or just keep stalling? Still waiting. Sucks when you get caught bloviating, and can't back up your claim, eh?. I don't need to explain anything. You made the claim, not me.

[Dejarma]

4 minutes ago, Hankenhunter said:

I don't need to explain anything

yes you do, what do you think it is-- it's a simple question

Edited June 22 by Dejarma

[Hankenhunter]

3 minutes ago, Dejarma said:

yes you do, what do you think it is-- it's a simple question

Yah, I didn't think you could do it. Any credibility you had just went down the crapper. Sucks to be you. Just so you don't feel that I'm picking on you, I'm issuing the same challenge to the rest of the skeptics that claim it's CGI, or AI. Prove it, or lose it.

[Dejarma]

5 minutes ago, Hankenhunter said:

Yah, I didn't think you could do it. Any credibility you had just went down the crapper. Sucks to be you. Just so you don't feel that I'm picking on you, I'm issuing the same challenge to the rest of the skeptics that claim it's CGI, or AI. Prove it, or lose it.

i can create something like this WITH EASE!!!! 10 minutes, probably less! all you have to do is give me your reasoning for why you feel it's not CGI= can you do that? or at least attempt it.. ya know, for the sake of debate in this forum.

the ball is in your court my friend

Edited June 22 by Dejarma

[Hankenhunter]

Just now, Dejarma said:

i can create something like this WITH EASE!!!! 10 minutes, probably less! all you have to do is give me your reasoning for why you feel it's not CGI= can you do that? or at least attempt it.. ya know, for the forum..

the ball is in your court my friend

More excuses. The ball has always been in your court. It's sad the way you keep deflecting, and stalling. Ten minutes? You're on. Better get busy as the clock is ticking. Tic toc.

[Dejarma]

Just now, Hankenhunter said:

More excuses. The ball has always been in your court. It's sad the way you keep deflecting, and stalling. Ten minutes? You're on. Better get busy as the clock is ticking. Tic toc.

look mate, all due respect-- someone has taken the time to create this thread topic.. it's here for debate.

you have not debated it yet, have ya!!! all you've done so far is moan at other peoples opinions without saying why...

you're the one creating excuses, not me! there are many claims in here that can't be proved.. that's the nature of the beast aint it in a place like this.

if someone said to me in here: 'i have the ultimate proof that this vid of an alien is real.. all i ask of you is to give me your opinion on it'

i'd give my opinion straight away-- yet you won't do that, why?

I'm starting to feel you're doing nothing more than sitting with ya mates all drunk having a laugh/ windup...

say something interesting regarding this footage, impress me === or naff off & grow up

[Hankenhunter]

1 minute ago, Dejarma said:

look mate, all due respect-- someone has taken the time to create this thread topic.. it's here for debate.

you have not debated it yet, have ya!!! all you've done so far is moan at other peoples opinions without saying why...

you're the one creating excuses, not me! there are many claims in here that can't be proved.. that's the nature of the beast aint it in a place like this.

if someone said to me in here: 'i have the ultimate proof that this vid of an alien is real.. all i ask of you is to give me your opinion on it'

i'd give my opinion straight away-- yet you won't do that, why?

I'm starting to feel you're doing nothing more than sitting with ya mates all drunk having a laugh/ windup...

say something interesting regarding this footage, impress me === or naff off & grow up

You know better than that. You made the claim, not me. The onus is on you. Even Saru would have to agree with me.3 minutes left. Better stop stalling.

[Dejarma]

1 minute ago, Hankenhunter said:

You know better than that. You made the claim, not me. The onus is on you. Even Saru would have to agree with me.3 minutes left. Better stop stalling.

OK you win.. I have neither the time or the want to create said video that proves the bleeding obvious- well done.

You got me- it's not CGI then.. So what is this footage depicting then IN_YOUR_OPINION?

Do you actually have an opinion on it? I feel Saru might need you to at least attempt one after this= we will see.

Anyways again well done, I'm off haggis hunting now

[Hankenhunter]

1 hour ago, Dejarma said:

OK you win.. I have neither the time or the want to create said video that proves the bleeding obvious- well done.

You got me- it's not CGI then.. So what is this footage depicting then IN_YOUR_OPINION?

Do you actually have an opinion on it? I feel Saru might need you to at least attempt one after this= we will see.

Anyways again well done, I'm off haggis hunting now

I do have an opinion. I'm not sure it's CGI, or AI. That's why I wanted it reproduced. Thank you for your admission. My challenge to the rest of the skeptics still stands.

[Dejarma]

3 minutes ago, Hankenhunter said:

I do have an opinion. I'm not sure it's CGI, or AI.

with regards to debating & logical rational discussion in an attempt to work stuff out- you'd put forward: 'I'm not sure' as an opinion!?

No one is fekin sure are they!!!!! I'm not SURE it's CGI.. How the fek am I supposed to know FOR SURE, FACT!?!?!??

The only person who knows FOR SURE/ FACT is the person/s who filmed the fekin thing!!!!! Either talk to me as one adult to another or don't reply to me again you strange individual!!!

[Grey Area]

7 hours ago, Hankenhunter said:

Then it should be easy to reproduce, no?

yes, why do you think it isn’t easy?

What world are you living in that you are not at least partially aware of rendering software, its capabilities and most recently the controversy around AI in the creative industries?

There are thousands of tutorials on YouTube taking you step by step on how to create realistic CGI rendering.  This is not a particularly new phenomonen.

You are creating a logical fallacy here by suggesting this possibility is beholden on a posters ability to recreate this footage.  Just because a user won’t dance to your hymn sheet doesn’t invalidate the point, it’s just cheap shot to discredit an individual, and you know the argument is lost when you attack the poster rather than the issue.

Backflips are real, I have seen people do them, just because I don’t post footage of myself doing a backflip doesn’t mean they aren’t real.

 

 

 

[ChrLzs]

8 hours ago, Hankenhunter said:

Then it should be easy to reproduce, no?

This is all a bit silly.  And I don't just mean the unnecessary ambiguity in the grammar of the 'question'.  No to the first part before the comma, and thus Yes to the 'no' that fallows that comma.  Yes, it is stupid, no?   

Pasting something together that is a simple addition to a video is pretty easy, but to do it well and get everything right AND to then add several other people into your little hoaxing group who also have the cgi model and can place it on their own videos, that clearly is not.  Even if they did* actually coordinate the 'sightings' and provide the necessary information so we could do a triangulation/vector analysis, and then go on to thoroughly check things like parallax/perspective and reflections and ray-tracing, and ...  I'm sure you knew all that, Hank.  No?

The problem with this case is that all the videos seem to be emanating from the same one or two sources, and those sources are anonymous.  We have ZERO documentation, locations, details about the cameras and the lenses and zoom/aperture/frame rate/etc etc settings used.  You see (as Hank well knows, right Hank?) in order to look at issues right down to why there are no reflections in any of the videos, or why the movement doesn't seem to match the lens(es) barrel distortion..  And of course there are many other issues, including the complete lack of reaction from the people, and the rather ridiculous fact the cameras were waiting, pointing exactly at where the UFO/s came into existence, and they seem to be cut short...  Well of course that would happen if they added the item later... 

So anything we did would not match these videos very well.  As for having someone without a clue about CGI being the final arbiter of whether a similar ufo would be 'good enough' to prove fakery, then I think the outcome would be quite clear.  You would refuse anything shown to you.

Thing is, it's not just about the video, and given the skills of many people with CGI and the tools now in easy reach of everyone, the whole story of the sighting has to be looked at.  I always point that out, but it just doesn't get through to some..  You can't spot any holes in this story?, eg why only a few videos in a city of what, 9 million people?  Not a single news service has picked this upo and ran with it, or at least not up to a few hours ago..  If you can't see all the problems with this footage and it's complete lack of any real provenance, then for chrissake pick a different hobby.  Given your apparent skills, perhaps macramé?

And no, we're not making the extraordinary claim, so it's up to you if you want to push it.  You don't get to set challenges or dumbass goalposts.

 

 

 

* - they didn't.

[astrobeing]

On 6/21/2024 at 11:06 AM, preacherman76 said:

He didn’t say that. Just hearing the opinions of low quality, and how this is so easy to do, I wouldn’t mind seeing if that were true. If any of you guys could recreate something similar. I’d be impressed myself.

Soooo, he meant that rendering a UFO like this from four angles is possible but it would be incredibly difficult to do?

[astrobeing]

My only question is are we going to see more videos of this UFO appearing in various locations around the world during the summer? The Dragonfly Drone was the UFO hit of the summer of 2007 but the hoaxer limited himself to locations in California (all were proved misidentified by investigators) and still photos since home CGI couldn't make convincing videos yet and video sharing sites like YouTube weren't popular yet.

[Hazzard]

I want these guys to take a look at it... Here is how they do stuff.