Multiple video clips show brightly lit UFO flying over streets of Tehran

[ChrLzs]

12 hours ago, astrobeing said:

My only question is are we going to see more videos of this UFO appearing in various locations around the world during the summer? The Dragonfly Drone was the UFO hit of the summer of 2007 but the hoaxer limited himself to locations in California (all were proved misidentified by investigators) and still photos since home CGI couldn't make convincing videos yet and video sharing sites like YouTube weren't popular yet.

Before I give my opinion, I'd like to happily admit:

1. I don't do cgi except at a very low-level
2. My triangulation skills in a full 3d perspective are a bit short of that required to fully verify/correlate say, 3 or more videos taken at different locations of a fast moving object, and to do it properly and accurately

But I do know what is required, and I do know how it is done, how much work would be involved, and what such an analysis would look like.. And I do know who to ask, if the videos looked worthy.  Frankly these don't.

Thus, I think I have a pretty good grasp on just how much work lies ahead for a serious group of hoaxers who might want to try to setup multiple videos that would later pass inspection by those folks who can quite quickly do such analyses..  The Jerusalem videos were an attempt to do it, but it was way short of what is required - part of that hoax involved still background images, for heaven's sake..  I don't think this is all that much better from a technical point of view...

It all comes back to the story that comes (or doesn't) with the videos.  As usual, the story here makes little sense, and I've already hinted at some significant issues with the videos..  It only takes a single stuff up to ruin the 'provenance', so I don't think we will be getting many attempts, even if the tools to do so become better and more readily available.  Even AI is rather unlikely to help, imo.

[preacherman76]

17 hours ago, astrobeing said:

Soooo, he meant that rendering a UFO like this from four angles is possible but it would be incredibly difficult to do?

Seemed to me he didn’t take a stance either way. Was just curious if any of you, being of the opinion that it would be easy to do, could demonstrate that for us. 

[preacherman76]

On 6/21/2024 at 8:39 PM, Dejarma said:

look mate, all due respect-- someone has taken the time to create this thread topic.. it's here for debate.

you have not debated it yet, have ya!!! all you've done so far is moan at other peoples opinions without saying why...

This is a discussion board. It wasn’t meant just for debate. 

On 6/21/2024 at 8:39 PM, Dejarma said:

you're the one creating excuses, not me! there are many claims in here that can't be proved.. that's the nature of the beast aint it in a place like this.

if someone said to me in here: 'i have the ultimate proof that this vid of an alien is real.. all i ask of you is to give me your opinion on it'

He did give his opinion. He said he didn’t know. That he is on the fence. Why are you trying to make people take a stance on something that they don’t have a stance on? That isn’t weak. That’s being honest. 

On 6/21/2024 at 8:39 PM, Dejarma said:

i'd give my opinion straight away-- yet you won't do that, why?

I'm starting to feel you're doing nothing more than sitting with ya mates all drunk having a laugh/ windup...

say something interesting regarding this footage, impress me === or naff off & grow up

You claimed to be able to recreate this in 10 minutes. Yet refuse to do so because he admits he doesn’t know if it’s CGI? 
 

And because he won’t argue from a stand point he doesn’t necessarily hold, that means he isn’t grown? So strange. 

[preacherman76]

On 6/21/2024 at 8:51 PM, Dejarma said:

OK you win.. I have neither the time or the want to create said video that proves the bleeding obvious- well done.

You got me- it's not CGI then.. So what is this footage depicting then IN_YOUR_OPINION?

Do you actually have an opinion on it? I feel Saru might need you to at least attempt one after this= we will see.

Anyways again well done, I'm off haggis hunting now

You think people should be forced by the administration here to take a solid stance when they don’t hold a solid stance? 
 

He never said it wasn’t CGI. He was just asking the people who do firmly believe it is to prove it if they could. It’s obvious none of you can with out a doubt prove it.  Even after you claimed you could. 

[preacherman76]

On 6/22/2024 at 3:12 AM, Grey Area said:

yes, why do you think it isn’t easy?

He never said it wasn’t. 

On 6/22/2024 at 3:12 AM, Grey Area said:

What world are you living in that you are not at least partially aware of rendering software, its capabilities and most recently the controversy around AI in the creative industries?

There are thousands of tutorials on YouTube taking you step by step on how to create realistic CGI rendering.  This is not a particularly new phenomonen.

True, but it doesn’t make this sighting CGI by default. Nor does it mean it isn’t. 

On 6/22/2024 at 3:12 AM, Grey Area said:

You are creating a logical fallacy here by suggesting this possibility is beholden on a posters ability to recreate this footage.  Just because a user won’t dance to your hymn sheet doesn’t invalidate the point, it’s just cheap shot to discredit an individual, and you know the argument is lost when you attack the poster rather than the issue.

Backflips are real, I have seen people do them, just because I don’t post footage of myself doing a backflip doesn’t mean they aren’t real.

 

 

 

But the claim was made that they could. Easily in 10 minutes. It’s isn’t a logical fallacy to ask said person to back up that claim. 

[Trelane]

It would be new to receive the additional details surrounding this (if any).  I believe there might be additional footage, would be good to see that to provide a clearer context and understanding.

[Golden Duck]

Similar video from five years ago.

 

 

[XenoFish]

Here's a photo of it.

[Piney]

34 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

Here's a photo of it.

That looks really advanced.......for the 1950s. 

[Grey Area]

4 hours ago, preacherman76 said:

He never said it wasn’t.

Not in so many words, but the challenge of having a user create a parallel video is pointless when we already know the tools, software and learning is readily available.  If we know it is easy then why the challenge?

4 hours ago, preacherman76 said:

True, but it doesn’t make this sighting CGI by default. Nor does it mean it isn’t. 

And therein lies the truth.  But I would suggest the likelihood of it being CGI is extremely likely when you add in the additional factors that have been pointed out.

4 hours ago, preacherman76 said:

But the claim was made that they could. Easily in 10 minutes. It’s isn’t a logical fallacy to ask said person to back up that claim. 

Where was it claimed this could be done in 10 mins?  For someone experienced in Adobe Aftereffects or similar software it is not hard, but as far as I can see, you have made the 10 mins thing up.

There are three main options here:

1.  It is a real extraterrestrial craft.

2.  It is a terrestrial aircraft likely using environmentally friendly fuel, indicated by the green lighting.

3.  It’s a CGI hoax.

What do you think?  I think 3.

[XenoFish]

2 hours ago, Piney said:

That looks really advanced.......for the 1950s. 

Maybe it's a classic ufo. Taking it out for a test run with a new flux capacitor and quantum carburetor. 

[Piney]

5 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

Maybe it's a classic ufo. Taking it out for a test run with a new flux capacitor and quantum carburetor. 

Well, it wasn't the dinosaurs coming back. Their ships are more advanced. 

[Dejarma]

1 hour ago, Grey Area said:

Where was it claimed this could be done in 10 mins?  For someone experienced in Adobe Aftereffects or similar software it is not hard, but as far as I can see, you have made the 10 mins thing up.

I made the claim- 10mins? possible but maybe 12-15 minutes is more realistic.

Like you said: For someone experienced (or not even that experienced) in Adobe Aftereffects, Unreal Engine 5, Maya etc= it's bloody easy.

Am i going to prove it??? NA, i don't have to prove it's bleeding obvious CGI by wasting my time creating something similar in order to satisfy a few people that can't see the bleeding obvious!!!

I mean, you don't even have to look at the footage to know it BS. No reports/ no panic in the area- come on, that's bleeding obvious in it's self! Some in here need to wake up!😉

[Grey Area]

38 minutes ago, Piney said:

Well, it wasn't the dinosaurs coming back. Their ships are more advanced. 

But I do think if the dinosaurs made a flying machine it would have green lights 😜

[Grey Area]

7 minutes ago, Dejarma said:

I made the claim- 10mins? possible but maybe 12-15 minutes is more realistic.

Like you said: For someone experienced (or not even that experienced) in Adobe Aftereffects, Unreal Engine 5, Maya etc= it's bloody easy.

Am i going to prove it??? NA, i don't have to prove it's bleeding obvious CGI by wasting my time creating something similar in order to satisfy a few people that can't see the bleeding obvious!!!

I mean, you don't even have to look at the footage to know it BS. No reports/ no panic in the area- come on, that's bleeding obvious in it's self! Some in here need to wake up!😉

Oh, I did look back through the thread and couldn’t see the 10 minute claim, must have missed it.

Apologies to anyone that may have offended.

That said, 10 mins, 10 hours, 10 days, it doesn’t matter.

[Dejarma]

3 minutes ago, Grey Area said:

Oh, I did look back through the thread and couldn’t see the 10 minute claim, must have missed it.

Apologies to anyone that may have offended.

That said, 10 mins, 10 hours, 10 days, it doesn’t matter.

post #139 but you're right,  it doesn’t matter.

it seems some think this couldn't be created on a computer- well, not by someone from Tehran according to one poster, what ever that means 🤷‍♂️

Peace GA.

Dej... 😉

[Piney]

16 minutes ago, Grey Area said:

But I do think if the dinosaurs made a flying machine it would have green lights 😜

Ziinnngggg....Right over your head.

That was a Rick and Morty reference. 

🤣

[Grey Area]

1 hour ago, Piney said:

Ziinnngggg....Right over your head.

That was a Rick and Morty reference. 

🤣

Aaah, never seen it, I should probably get around to binging it sometime.

[the13bats]

On 6/21/2024 at 8:42 PM, Hankenhunter said:

You know better than that. You made the claim, not me. The onus is on you. Even Saru would have to agree with me.3 minutes left. Better stop stalling.

So it's the new called out believers game to paint themselves in a corner then cry victim and get posts deleted and threads locked when it makes them look bad and exposed?
Asking for a friend.

Edited June 24 by the13bats

[the13bats]

14 hours ago, XenoFish said:

Here's a photo of it.

Shouldn't there be a green hue on stuff in the pic?

[the13bats]

13 hours ago, Piney said:

That looks really advanced.......for the 1950s. 

Idk kind of makes me think of close encounters movie craft.

[the13bats]

12 hours ago, Grey Area said:

Not in so many words, but the challenge of having a user create a parallel video is pointless when we already know the tools, software and learning is readily available.  If we know it is easy then why the challenge?

17 hours ago, preacherman76 said:

It's a smoke and mirrors lame misplaced tit for tat type rebuttle, the dear true believers are empty handed so rather than even answer a question they make a pointless demand like for a comp CGI Al savvy person to show it's very possible then like when i did that type thing with a laser pointer that was claimed could only be ghosts after the believer admitted i nailed it then then claim my pics might have been ghosts too, the believers have to keep changing the game.

For me to suggest these videos aren't "very likely" created by CGI,/ai are in par with saying the easter bunny at the Winslow mall isn't "very likely" a guy in a rabbit suit.

 

 

10 hours ago, Dejarma said:

I mean, you don't even have to look at the footage to know it BS. No reports/ no panic in the area- come on, that's bleeding obvious in it's self! Some in here need to wake up!😉

That's just it, the fact we have at this moment zero reports no others videos from other sources no nothing makes the real unexplained mystery to me why anyone wouldn't think this is a hoax.

Edited June 24 by the13bats

[pellinore]

On 6/21/2024 at 3:05 PM, pellinore said:

He obviously didn't get it if no one knows who it is.

To address your confusion, @the13bats- no one can get even 15 minutes of fame by doing something one off anonymously. 

[Hazzard]

3 hours ago, pellinore said:

To address your confusion, @the13bats- no one can get even 15 minutes of fame by doing something one off anonymously. 

15 min of fame doesnt necessarily mean that they are walking down the red carpet getting showered in roses.

Sometimes a bunch of dudes just knowing that their stuff went viral is enough.

[astrobeing]

On 6/23/2024 at 6:16 AM, preacherman76 said:

Seemed to me he didn’t take a stance either way.

So you think he wasn't saying anything at all.

On 6/23/2024 at 6:16 AM, preacherman76 said:

Was just curious if any of you, being of the opinion that it would be easy to do, could demonstrate that for us. 

Did anyone say it was "easy"? If it were easy we'd have UFO hoaxes like this one every month.