Multiple video clips show brightly lit UFO flying over streets of Tehran

[astrobeing]

On 6/23/2024 at 6:53 AM, preacherman76 said:

But the claim was made that they could. Easily in 10 minutes. It’s isn’t a logical fallacy to ask said person to back up that claim. 

I believe it would take about a weekend to several days to design and render the UFO to video.

But what difference does that make? If it's CGI then it's CGI. Arguing about how long it might have taken is avoiding the fact that it's almost certainly CGI. Whoever did the Dragonfly Drone hoax spent an entire summer faking CGI photos and creating a complicated conspiratorial backstory for it. Believe it or not, some people have a lot of free time and enjoy creating hoaxes to fool people like you.

[the13bats]

1 hour ago, astrobeing said:

I believe it would take about a weekend to several days to design and render the UFO to video.

But what difference does that make? If it's CGI then it's CGI. Arguing about how long it might have taken is avoiding the fact that it's almost certainly CGI. Whoever did the Dragonfly Drone hoax spent an entire summer faking CGI photos and creating a complicated conspiratorial backstory for it. Believe it or not, some people have a lot of free time and enjoy creating hoaxes to fool people like you.

The difference it makes it both a smoke and mirrors believes two step and the hypocrisy that he can't stop harping on how long it would take to copy the silly hoax in this thread yet when a fellow true believer is busted countless times making up stuff Outright lying then coping out rather lamely about producing witness reports and supporting evidence he's all in defence of that BS.
Seems sky eagle and a couple other empty handed believers need a playpen thread to echo and hail each other's tales.

[the13bats]

23 hours ago, pellinore said:

To address your confusion, @the13bats- no one can get even 15 minutes of fame by doing something one off anonymously. 

Not true imnsho you see some of these types do get the attention they crave even anonymously while maybe calling it 15 mins of fame makes that sound weird it's still their egos getting stroked when they see the credious fall for it.

 

[astrobeing]

6 hours ago, the13bats said:

Not true imnsho you see some of these types do get the attention they crave even anonymously while maybe calling it 15 mins of fame makes that sound weird it's still their egos getting stroked when they see the credious fall for it.

The Dragonfly Drone example from 2007 which I keep bringing up was a perfect example of this. An anonymous guy spent his entire summer posting fake photos of a complicated CGI spacecraft and developing a complicated backstory with fake documents and fake witnesses. We still don't know who did it.

Nobodies like Ed Walters and Ray Santilli can risk their reputations by creating hoaxes but not everyone can. Other people have professional reputations to maintain and they would be at risk if they were caught doing something silly like creating a UFO hoax, especially if their professions happen to involve CGI.

[Trelane]

Has anyone posted all of the alleged clips together? I read earlier someone said there were 4? 

[the13bats]

4 hours ago, astrobeing said:

The Dragonfly Drone example from 2007 which I keep bringing up was a perfect example of this. An anonymous guy spent his entire summer posting fake photos of a complicated CGI spacecraft and developing a complicated backstory with fake documents and fake witnesses. We still don't know who did it.

Nobodies like Ed Walters and Ray Santilli can risk their reputations by creating hoaxes but not everyone can. Other people have professional reputations to maintain and they would be at risk if they were caught doing something silly like creating a UFO hoax, especially if their professions happen to involve CGI.

Exactly correct,

Another example is that Canada one the Guardian hoax that was such a steaming of bull even the for profit UFO equals aliens clique and shows would leave out the parts about in the documents it said a nazi or quasi nazi group were in with the Chinese and aliens to enslave the world.
Bob Oechsler I guess gets credit for jumping on it for attention and paycheck he took a full on "it's an alien craft with aliens ," approach iirc he was asked to leave mufon on bad terms I assume for his looniness.
Last I heard some bored documentary maker is doing a show about who was guardian.

Dragonfly to me is a great example of a person who had obviously a lot of skills and good gear showing off for themselves I wouldn't be surprised if close friends knew about it.

 

 

[preacherman76]

On 6/24/2024 at 11:02 AM, astrobeing said:

I believe it would take about a weekend to several days to design and render the UFO to video.

But what difference does that make? If it's CGI then it's CGI. Arguing about how long it might have taken is avoiding the fact that it's almost certainly CGI. Whoever did the Dragonfly Drone hoax spent an entire summer faking CGI photos and creating a complicated conspiratorial backstory for it. Believe it or not, some people have a lot of free time and enjoy creating hoaxes to fool people like you.

My point was a few people here mentioned it was poor quality, easy to do, and one said they could reproduce it in 10 minutes. None of that was true. I was hoping to hear an opinion on why they were so certain it was CGI, and it seems to me they shouldn’t have been as confident as they appeared to be. 
 

Of course it’s possible, even likely it was CGI. I was just hoping to learn something about it. Now I’m certain that had I been able to film the saucer I witnessed I would have been accused of the same thing. If they would be wrong about that, it’s possible they are wrong about this one as well. That’s all. 

[the13bats]

All the past furor about is this CGI and how long a savvy CGI person would take to do it etc is to me just smoke and mirrors,
When the member said ten minutes I took that as figure of speech and of course the poster said it would take longer very different to when an empty handed believer makes up stuff lies, and promises proof of their claims but when the time comes they cry victim and go ad hominem attack and ruin threads.
It doesn't matter to me if this it proven CGI or rc craft or something else used to hoax it's not proven alien craft and it's not the burden of a rational thinking person to waste time to prove a negative,
It's unexplained at this moment we have various opinions here but if you are one you thinks this is alien craft stop with the smoke and mirrors and post evidence to support that opinion otherwise deal with the fact hoax is far far more likely since hoaxes have been proven countless times and alien craft proven zero times.

Edited June 26 by the13bats

[preacherman76]

No one here said they think it’s alien craft bats. Seems to me most here basically, to varying degrees, are in agreement. Especially now that many have dropped the idea that they know for 100% certain that it is CGI. 
 

BTW it wasn’t us who said they could produce a replica in 10 minutes. So how could you conclude it was “smoke and mirrors” on our part? If we made such a claim, we would be expected to produce results. And rightfully so. 
 

To me, even if this is a real craft, last thing I’d conclude is aliens. 

Edited June 26 by preacherman76

[astrobeing]

4 hours ago, preacherman76 said:

BTW it wasn’t us who said they could produce a replica in 10 minutes. So how could you conclude it was “smoke and mirrors” on our part? If we made such a claim, we would be expected to produce results. And rightfully so.

So someone quipped that they could do it in ten minutes. Why don't you ask that person about it instead of acting like everyone agreed with him?

Strange!

[Buzz_Light_Year]

What makes it suspect to me is the fact that it is green and green is said to have been the favorite color of Mohammed and has significance in islam today.

[Zebra3]

1 hour ago, Buzz_Light_Year said:

What makes it suspect to me is the fact that it is green and green is said to have been the favorite color of Mohammed and has significance in islam today.

I wonder if a campaign was started stating that the color green was in fact gay, it would throw the middle east into complete chaos. Defeat with no bombs.

[preacherman76]

21 hours ago, astrobeing said:

So someone quipped that they could do it in ten minutes. Why don't you ask that person about it instead of acting like everyone agreed with him?

Strange!

I never said everyone agreed with it. There is no longer a need to ask said person about it as they confessed they are unable. Even better they then admitted they didn’t k ow if it was CGI. 

Strange indeed. Though no one on the cynical side disagreed with it either till you. 
 

Plenty of people had things to say about it that were not true as well, like I said. Why you are cherry picking the comment to try and make me look “strange”?

Edited June 27 by preacherman76

[astrobeing]

3 hours ago, preacherman76 said:

I never said everyone agreed with it. There is no longer a need to ask said person about it as they confessed they are unable.

Yet you kept bringing it up over and over like it was the key to solving the mystery! 😄

[the13bats]

3 hours ago, astrobeing said:

Yet you kept bringing it up over and over like it was the key to solving the mystery! 😄

It's all he has.

[Golden Duck]

1 hour ago, the13bats said:

It's all he has.

To be fair, declaring the videos are CGI because it's obvious is employing the logical fallacy known as begging the question.

[Dejarma]

8 hours ago, preacherman76 said:

There is no longer a need to ask said person about it as they confessed they are unable.

i never said 'unable'? i said i'm not wasting my time to prove the bleeding obvious to you! bending what i said to fit your narrative. you all try it on- pathetic!  

[Dejarma]

3 minutes ago, Golden Duck said:

To be fair, declaring the videos are CGI because it's obvious is employing the logical fallacy known as begging the question.

it's not obvious to you?

[the13bats]

7 hours ago, Golden Duck said:

To be fair, declaring the videos are CGI because it's obvious is employing the logical fallacy known as begging the question.

I've only speculated this was likely CGI but in my mind it's unexplained,
I do not think it's anything paranormal supernatural or alien so I guess I'm begging a question too,

I base it's not paranormal, supernatural or alien as those possibilities have never once been proven where CGI and unexplained are proven to exist.

[the13bats]

7 hours ago, Dejarma said:

it's not obvious to you?

Pretty much is,  but help me rule out RC craft of any type, I guess if it was really there we would see a green glow on stuff and we don't.

[Golden Duck]

47 minutes ago, the13bats said:

I've only speculated this was likely CGI but in my mind it's unexplained,
I do not think it's anything paranormal supernatural or alien so I guess I'm begging a question too,

I base it's not paranormal, supernatural or alien as those possibilities have never once been proven where CGI and unexplained are proven to exist.

To claim it's CGI because it's obvious is circular reasoning; ie, begging the question.  It's one of the fallacies SpamGoose911 would attempt to hide behind.

You speculating or guessing CGI is circular reasoning.

I still suspect CGI but don't claim to be a professional.  However, the object does look uncannily like one the the easter egg assets from Rockstar's Red Dead Redemption 2.

Other red flags, to me, are the supposed object flying down the street.  While many people have cam phone in their pocket I question reaction time.  The only plausible scene out of the four videos was someone already takimg a video of someone by the fountain.

Preacherman was only questioned a claim asking a user to share knowledge, the same way SpamEagle questioned.

We all should aim to rise out of that gutter.

 

[the13bats]

2 minutes ago, Golden Duck said:

To claim it's CGI because it's obvious is circular reasoning; ie, begging the question.  It's one of the fallacies SpamGoose911 would attempt to hide behind.

You speculating or guessing CGI is circular reasoning.

I still suspect CGI but don't claim to be a professional.  However, the object does look uncannily like one the the easter egg assets from Rockstar's Red Dead Redemption 2.

Other red flags, to me, are the supposed object flying down the street.  While many people have cam phone in their pocket I question reaction time.  The only plausible scene out of the four videos was someone already takimg a video of someone by the fountain.

Preacherman was only questioned a claim asking a user to share knowledge, the same way SpamEagle questioned.

We all should aim to rise out of that gutter.

 

Preachingman beat a dead horse and hard, I took that original claim of ten minutes more figure of speech and when called out the posted retracted, so horse is beaten dead.

[preacherman76]

12 hours ago, Dejarma said:

i never said 'unable'? i said i'm not wasting my time to prove the bleeding obvious to you! bending what i said to fit your narrative. you all try it on- pathetic!  

Ok. My apologies. Truth is though you are unable. Anyone who claims they can recreate that in 10 minutes is full of crap. I suspect you are unable no matter how much time you had. 
 

What’s really funny is the hypocrisy. For someone who spends so much time here demanding proof, demanding evidence, when you are asked to do the same you don’t have time for it. Not even 10 minutes lol. 
 

If you don’t want to be called out on your BS, then stop slinging it. 

[preacherman76]

17 hours ago, astrobeing said:

Yet you kept bringing it up over and over like it was the key to solving the mystery! 😄

You asked about it. YOU brought it back up. I was perfectly fine with just knowing they were full of crap. 

[preacherman76]

12 hours ago, Dejarma said:

it's not obvious to you?

Nor is it to you. As you have already admitted.