Just one quarter of British people now think the UK should be outside the European Union

[pellinore]

Just one quarter of British people now think the UK should be outside the European Union, it has been revealed.

The latest British Social Attitudes survey, carried out by the National Centre for Social Research (NatCen), also showed the majority believe the economy is worse off as a result of Brexit.

Despite the huge political and economic upheaval caused by Britain’s vote to leave the EU in 2016, the UK’s future relationship with the EU has hardly been mentioned during the general election campaign.

But according to the NatCen survey 5,578 adults across the country, support for being outside of the EU has fallen dramatically since the last election in 2019.

Back then, 36% said Britain should be outside the EU, down from 41% in 2016. Now, the figure now stands at just 24%.

And while 51% thought the economy would be worse off because of Brexit in 2019, that figurehas now soared to 71%.

Data Shows Decline In Support For Brexit | HuffPost UK Politics (huffingtonpost.co.uk)

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[+Desertrat56]

Wasn't the original Brexit vote about the same time the florida man was running for (and got elected) president of the U.S.?   Maybe there was some campaign to weaken both the U.S. and the U.K.   🤣   If not, many stepped in to take advantage of both mistakes.

[pellinore]

12 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

Wasn't the original Brexit vote about the same time the florida man was running for (and got elected) president of the U.S.?   Maybe there was some campaign to weaken both the U.S. and the U.K.   🤣   If not, many stepped in to take advantage of both mistakes.

There was. It's called Populism.

[itsnotoutthere]

"But according to the NatCen survey 5,578 adults across the country"

Think I'll stick with the survey that asked the whole country.

p.s. :- https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/huffington-post/

"Overall, we rate HuffPost Left-Biased based on story selection and editorial positions that favor the left. We also rate them Mixed for factual reporting due to failed fact checks and the promotion of pseudoscience."

 

Edited June 12 by itsnotoutthere

[itsnotoutthere]

1 hour ago, pellinore said:

There was. It's called Populism.

As in popular with the people, like the thing that is sweeping through the EU at the moment, yes I can see how that would irk a hard left authoritarian.

Edited June 12 by itsnotoutthere

[L.A.T.1961]

Frexit could be next.

Maybe then the UK and France could do a bi lateral deal.  

With the EU run by the far right will Starmer, if elected, treat them the same as a Trump run USA. 

At arms length. 

[L.A.T.1961]

I think Dr Mike Galsworthy, chair of European Movement UK, is upset because the topic of brexit has vanished off the radar of the UK electorate and political parties.

That alone should be a better indicator of what the UK thinks about the subject. 

If there was any political mileage left in reversing brexit then the party leaders would be all over it.

Politicians have learned, like the last election, that when those who are pro EU are asked to vote they don't turn up. 

[Destination Unknown]

51 minutes ago, L.A.T.1961 said:

I think Dr Mike Galsworthy, chair of European Movement UK, is upset because the topic of brexit has vanished off the radar of the UK electorate and political parties.

Which is why the scruffy Commie is begging his gullible followers to give him their hard earned cash to the tune of a nice £150,000 so he can "get Brexit on the agenda".

Why he specifically needs this £150,000 to do it hasn't been explained, but the grifter has already managed to fleece nearly £124,000 out of his deluded disciples at the time of this post, and that's after he managed to fleece some £100,000 off them last year just so he could make a blatantly one-sided pro-EU propaganda film about Brexit telling his gullible disciples exactly what they want to hear.

https://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/p/lets-make-sure-brexit-isnt-ignored-this-election

Edited June 12 by Destination Unknown

[Setton]

4 hours ago, Desertrat56 said:

Wasn't the original Brexit vote about the same time the florida man was running for (and got elected) president of the U.S.?   Maybe there was some campaign to weaken both the U.S. and the U.K.   🤣   If not, many stepped in to take advantage of both mistakes.

It's pretty well documented at this point that Russia was doing exactly that. What isn't clear is how big an impact their interference had on the result.

[Setton]

2 hours ago, itsnotoutthere said:

"But according to the NatCen survey 5,578 adults across the country"

Think I'll stick with the survey that asked the whole country.

p.s. :- https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/huffington-post/

"Overall, we rate HuffPost Left-Biased based on story selection and editorial positions that favor the left. We also rate them Mixed for factual reporting due to failed fact checks and the promotion of pseudoscience."

 

Tough call. Do you go off the survey with a large sample size that's nearly a decade out of date or a small but current one?

[Destination Unknown]

6 minutes ago, Setton said:

It's pretty well documented at this point that Russia was doing exactly that. What isn't clear is how big an impact their interference had on the result.

Oddly enough I don't recall Vlad marching me to the Polling Station at gunpoint and forcing me to put my "X" in the Leave box, but strangely I do recall President Obama, arguably the most powerful man on the planet at the time of the vote, standing in front of the world's media at Number 10 Downing Street and telling us all that we would be "at the back of the queue" for a trade deal with the USA if we even dared to vote Leave.

In fact, if you actually take a look at the polls before Obama stuck his oar in, 'Remain' was consistently showing to be in the lead, but as soon as Obama poked his nose in and spoke down to the British people like he did, 'Leave' jumped ahead, so Obama had more influence on the Leave vote than Putin ever did.!!

[itsnotoutthere]

1 hour ago, Setton said:

Tough call. Do you go off the survey with a large sample size that's nearly a decade out of date or a small but current one?

Not a tough call at all. We had 6 months lead up to the referendum with the media telling us daily to get out and vote, we had Cameron and his cronies trying to convince us it was the end of times if we didn't vote his way, (which all turned out to be b.s.) we were also told this was a once in a lifetime vote and there was no going back, the people had plenty of time to make up their minds, and yet again we come back to the truth of the matter, after all that they voted to leave, simple as that, its just that some (with vested interests) couldn't believe the result and have bitched about it ever since.

Edited June 12 by itsnotoutthere

[Duke Wellington]

3 hours ago, itsnotoutthere said:

"But according to the NatCen survey 5,578 adults across the country"

Think I'll stick with the survey that asked the whole country.

p.s. :- https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/huffington-post/

"Overall, we rate HuffPost Left-Biased based on story selection and editorial positions that favor the left. We also rate them Mixed for factual reporting due to failed fact checks and the promotion of pseudoscience."

 

Have a look at how at the bottom of every article about Trump they called him things like a racist.

Mmm, not biased or anything. Also 5578 polled adults? That is not enough, and where and who was polled, and what question(s) were asked? No information is provided to ascertain the credibility of the poll and judging by the medias bias then it really doesn`t surprise.

Lets not forget the obvious measure of why its a garbage poll, the UKs actual economic performance compared to the EU. Lets also ask, how much is the EU paying to Poland? Look at how much we escaped from having to contribute.

[itsnotoutthere]

10 minutes ago, Duke Wellington said:

Have a look at how at the bottom of every article about Trump they called him things like a racist.

Mmm, not biased or anything. Also 5578 polled adults? That is not enough, and where and who was polled, and what question(s) were asked? No information is provided to ascertain the credibility of the poll and judging by the medias bias then it really doesn`t surprise.

Lets not forget the obvious measure of why its a garbage poll, the UKs actual economic performance compared to the EU. Lets also ask, how much is the EU paying to Poland? Look at how much we escaped from having to contribute.

As I pointed out, it's from the Huffington post, which is bordering on hard left propaganda. I think these people are just laying the groundworks for when Starmer gets his foot in the door.

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[Setton]

13 hours ago, itsnotoutthere said:

Not a tough call at all. We had 6 months lead up to the referendum with the media telling us daily to get out and vote, we had Cameron and his cronies trying to convince us it was the end of times if we didn't vote his way, (which all turned out to be b.s.) we were also told this was a once in a lifetime vote and there was no going back, the people had plenty of time to make up their minds, and yet again we come back to the truth of the matter, after all that they voted to leave, simple as that, its just that some (with vested interests) couldn't believe the result and have bitched about it ever since.

And that was 8 years ago. Would you take any other vote from nearly a decade ago as automatically representative of current opinion?

[+Desertrat56]

19 hours ago, Destination Unknown said:

Oddly enough I don't recall Vlad marching me to the Polling Station at gunpoint and forcing me to put my "X" in the Leave box, but strangely I do recall President Obama, arguably the most powerful man on the planet at the time of the vote, standing in front of the world's media at Number 10 Downing Street and telling us all that we would be "at the back of the queue" for a trade deal with the USA if we even dared to vote Leave.

In fact, if you actually take a look at the polls before Obama stuck his oar in, 'Remain' was consistently showing to be in the lead, but as soon as Obama poked his nose in and spoke down to the British people like he did, 'Leave' jumped ahead, so Obama had more influence on the Leave vote than Putin ever did.!!

Thanks for that refreshing perspective.   If "TPTB" can't get something done one way it will figure out how to do it another.   Oohh  not enough people are afraid of Putin so lets get Obama to pipe up and give his opinion (because that is all it was, or a script he was given)

[L.A.T.1961]

It will be interesting to see if Starmer decides to increase his pro EU stance before election day, he doesn't need the extra votes, Starmer might think, this approach would bring.

T May thought when fighting the election her poll lead was so good she could tack on an extra manifesto subject, an Alzheimer's tax, without worrying.

This turned a nailed on win into a hung parliament. 

So far Starmer has kept about as far away from the topic as he can manage, given the ideology in the Labour party. 

Will he succumb to internal pressure and a huge poll lead derailing his own chances? 

[Ozymandias]

On 6/12/2024 at 3:45 PM, itsnotoutthere said:

"But according to the NatCen survey 5,578 adults across the country"

Think I'll stick with the survey that asked the whole country.

p.s. :- https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/huffington-post/

"Overall, we rate HuffPost Left-Biased based on story selection and editorial positions that favor the left. We also rate them Mixed for factual reporting due to failed fact checks and the promotion of pseudoscience."

But it is not Huff Post data, is it?

It's the result of a survey conducted by the National Centre for Social Research (NatCen), a well-respected institution that carries out surveys on behalf of the British government.

Yet another example of Brexiteers lacking the critical faculty to exercise good judgement, but choosing instead to ignore reality and see only what they want to see. I have given up on them. Anything else is a waste of time and energy.   

As Don Quixote said to Sancho Panza: 'Facts, my dear Sancho, are the enemy of truth! I perceive everything I say as absolutely true, and deficient in nothing whatever, and paint it all in my mind exactly as I want it to be.'

[itsnotoutthere]

1 hour ago, Ozymandias said:

But it is not Huff Post data, is it?

It's the result of a survey conducted by the National Centre for Social Research (NatCen), a well-respected institution that carries out surveys on behalf of the British government.

Yet another example of Brexiteers lacking the critical faculty to exercise good judgement, but choosing instead to ignore reality and see only what they want to see. I have given up on them. Anything else is a waste of time and energy.   

As Don Quixote said to Sancho Panza: 'Facts, my dear Sancho, are the enemy of truth! I perceive everything I say as absolutely true, and deficient in nothing whatever, and paint it all in my mind exactly as I want it to be.'

Sounds like Cervantes was writing about trans ideology in his quote. 

Edited June 13 by itsnotoutthere

[Destination Unknown]

4 hours ago, Desertrat56 said:

Thanks for that refreshing perspective.   If "TPTB" can't get something done one way it will figure out how to do it another.   Oohh  not enough people are afraid of Putin so lets get Obama to pipe up and give his opinion (because that is all it was, or a script he was given)

Here's a thought: Maybe people voted to Leave the EU, because maybe they actually just wanted to Leave the EU. How about that for a novel idea eh. 🤔

[Setton]

9 minutes ago, Destination Unknown said:

Here's a thought: Maybe people voted to Leave the EU, because maybe they actually just wanted to Leave the EU. How about that for a novel idea eh. 🤔

And maybe they've changed their mind, as people tend to do.

How about that for a novel idea?

[Destination Unknown]

1 hour ago, Setton said:

And maybe they've changed their mind, as people tend to do.

How about that for a novel idea?

And maybe they haven't, although rejoiners certainly change their minds once they are reminded that one of the conditions of joining the EU is the mandatory commitment to adopting the euro currency, as is shown in another week of 'Omnisis/WeThink' polling.

This has consistently been the case since November 2022, when they first started asking the question.

Edited June 13 by Destination Unknown

[pellinore]

On 6/12/2024 at 5:34 PM, L.A.T.1961 said:

I think Dr Mike Galsworthy, chair of European Movement UK, is upset because the topic of brexit has vanished off the radar of the UK electorate and political parties.

That alone should be a better indicator of what the UK thinks about the subject. 

If there was any political mileage left in reversing brexit then the party leaders would be all over it.

Politicians have learned, like the last election, that when those who are pro EU are asked to vote they don't turn up. 

the topic of brexit has vanished off the radar of the UK electorate and political parties. It hasn't. The electorate are livid. Brexit is not mentioned by politicians because for the Tories, they can't remind people what they have done, and for Labour, it would just be a return back to the turmoil where nothing else is discussed.

Don't forget, while the vast majority of the electorate think Brexit has been a disaster, no one has any appetite to return to the years when nothing else was discussed politically.

If there was any political mileage left in reversing brexit then the party leaders would be all over it. If there was anything positive about Brexit the Tories would be talking about little else, as it was their policy and Starmer wanted a second referendum. They can't mention their greatest "achievement" as it has given nothing positive, only been damaging.

Brexit will never vanish off the UK radar- we are only just beginning to implement it (SPS checks stated last month, more SPS checks in October and biometric EES in November. (Next year, the EU/UK talks will resume- not to renegotiate, but to look at practical details of Johnson's disastrous WA). Each year we will need to ensure we conform to EU regulations (like the new non-removable plastic bottle tops we have adopted), and our ratification of the CE safety mark instead of Johson's proposed UKCA.

The only ironic laugh is that the Tories only enacted Brexit to stay in power and 'see off' Farage- now it and he will see them off, possibly forever. The Tory brand may never recover from association with the worst political and economic disaster in 100 years.

 

[+Desertrat56]

20 hours ago, Destination Unknown said:

Here's a thought: Maybe people voted to Leave the EU, because maybe they actually just wanted to Leave the EU. How about that for a novel idea eh. 🤔

Most likely the reason they voted the way they did, but it was probably an uninformed or emotionally motivated vote.   Look at the fallout.   If you deny that we are constantly being bombarded by emotionally manipulative "information" and "news" then you are not paying attention.

Edited June 14 by Desertrat56

[itsnotoutthere]

27 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

Most likely the reason they voted the way they did, but it was probably an uninformed or emotionally motivated vote.   Look at the fallout.   If you deny that we are constantly being bombarded by emotionally manipulative "information" and "news" then you are not paying attention.

What fallout. The only real fallout has been the relentless moaning by those that lost the referendum. Listening to remainers you would get the misplaced idea that the EU was a utopian paradise when in actual fact a cursory look at European news outlets prove that isn't the case, and in some respects things are actually worse within the EU. Funny, but I not noticed any change in lifestyle since 2016, the shops are still selling the same stuff, I've not been at all inconvenienced at the airport, I can't think of thing that's impacted things noticeably.

Edited June 14 by itsnotoutthere