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Very well, the american government has an extra secret place called area 51, and no one can go there or point a camera in it's general direction, or fly within a few hundred kilometers of the place. On penalty of any unpleasant fate upto and including being made to "disappear" without a trial.

 

But what stops america's enemies from embarassing the US by breaking the secret?

 

Russia or China could easily setup a hi-res satellite feed of area 51 and have it streaming on the whole internet 24/7. And there would be exactly zero the american government could do about it.

 

So why do they not?

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

Because there’s nothing worth looking at there, it’s a honey trap for the rubes. 
Anything genuinely non-terrestrial would be at the bases that really are secret, you know, the ones we don't know about. 

Even if, as you say, there is nothing extraterrestrial to see at area 51, would that not make a streaming satellite feed of the place all the more an embarrassment for comrade Putin to laugh about?
 

And if there are other really secret places, if they are known to Russia or China, they could be added to the feed?

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1 minute ago, mw.decavia said:

Even if, as you say, there is nothing extraterrestrial to see at area 51, would that not make a streaming satellite feed of the place all the more an embarrassment for comrade Putin to laugh about?
 

And if there are other really secret places, if they are known to Russia or China, they could be added to the feed?

not so secret if you know of it

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27 minutes ago, mw.decavia said:

Even if, as you say, there is nothing extraterrestrial to see at area 51, would that not make a streaming satellite feed of the place all the more an embarrassment for comrade Putin to laugh about?
 

And if there are other really secret places, if they are known to Russia or China, they could be added to the feed?

Because if h3 does, the Yanks’ll retaliate by making his  secrets public. 

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4 hours ago, mw.decavia said:

Very well, the american government has an extra secret place called area 51, and no one can go there or point a camera in it's general direction, or fly within a few hundred kilometers of the place. On penalty of any unpleasant fate upto and including being made to "disappear" without a trial.

But what stops america's enemies from embarassing the US by breaking the secret?

Russia or China could easily setup a hi-res satellite feed of area 51 and have it streaming on the whole internet 24/7. And there would be exactly zero the american government could do about it.

So why do they not?

Probably because the Chinese and Russians arent going to waste a billion dollar satellite to look at a bit of desert. When there are US forces sitting on their doorstep that theyd much rather know the movements of.

What if theres no secret to break? And the billion dollar satellite sees nothing interesting? Russian/Chinese generals get disappeared for so much less. None of them would back such a risky thing with their lives as the collateral.

We know that China at least is trying sending freaking balloons to spy on us. That seems to say they dont want, or cant, spend that kind of money on satellites.

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What makes you so sure there are not spy satellites observing Area 51?

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10 hours ago, mw.decavia said:

including being made to "disappear" without a trial.

That's an urban legend. The SP reports show people being escorted off. The ones who are arrested are the ones using drones and they suffer FAA and trespassing charges.

If they actually charged every trespasser they'd clog the local federal court system and have paperwork out the wazoo so it's easier to run them off. 

I know a SP who served there because we were AF-CAP cadets together. 

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The americans already publicize every russian secret that would not endanger the identity of the spy who collected it. If Putin ran an area 51 feed, there is no tit for tat retaliation the americans would be willing to escalate to.

 

I was not suggesting that one of america's enemies launch a new satellite for the task. But both Russia and China have so many recon satellites already running. Would not cost anything extra, nothing for any russian general to fear consequences of. And ets or not, everyone at the Kremlin could laugh at the americans.

 

And yes, they probably already have cameras on area 51.

 

They are supposed to be the enemy. So why are they not always using every mean and dirty trick available to tarnish america?

 

Or are they just not serious about the whole "enemies" thing, is it just a charade?

 

 

 

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13 hours ago, mw.decavia said:

Very well, the american government has an extra secret place called area 51, and no one can go there or point a camera in it's general direction, or fly within a few hundred kilometers of the place. 

 

Area 51 has been on the news and in every scify movie for the last 40 years. Its boring. Nothing of interest for a believer going on there...

Now Dulles underground base in NM, thats where its at, dude..!! 

 

"Schneider famously described the alleged alien encounter in a 1995 conference, where he claimed around 60 United States military service members were killed in a battle with alien beings.

The supposed engineer also claimed he lost several fingers in the alien attack and that the government was using Dulce Base initially as an effort to stimulate subterranean gas reservoirs."

https://www.the-sun.com/news/9138803/disturbing-images-dulce-ufo-base-conspiracy-theorists/

 

 

 

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7 minutes ago, mw.decavia said:

They are supposed to be the enemy. So why are they not always using every mean and dirty trick available to tarnish america?

 

For the same reason they havent tried it with the Apollo Moonlandings... They dont want the entire world laughing their butts off at them.

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China at least, does about 3.5 TRILLION dollars of trade each year with the USA. Thats a big motive to act nice most of the time.

Russians, not so much for trade. But as has been seen with Ukraine, previous estimates of their military/technical abilities have very likely been vastly overrated.

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On 6/15/2024 at 11:07 AM, Hazzard said:

 

Area 51 has been on the news and in every scify movie for the last 40 years. Its boring. Nothing of interest for a believer going on there...

Now Dulles underground base in NM, thats where its at, dude..!! 

 

"Schneider famously described the alleged alien encounter in a 1995 conference, where he claimed around 60 United States military service members were killed in a battle with alien beings.

The supposed engineer also claimed he lost several fingers in the alien attack and that the government was using Dulce Base initially as an effort to stimulate subterranean gas reservoirs."

https://www.the-sun.com/news/9138803/disturbing-images-dulce-ufo-base-conspiracy-theorists/

 

 

 

I forgot about that loon, his work buddy said he lost the digit on the job not by Fighting aliens.

He ended up killing himself, oh dear was he killed to keep him quiet?

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On 6/14/2024 at 9:26 PM, mw.decavia said:

Very well, the american government has an extra secret place called area 51, and no one can go there or point a camera in it's general direction, or fly within a few hundred kilometers of the place. On penalty of any unpleasant fate upto and including being made to "disappear" without a trial.

 

But what stops america's enemies from embarassing the US by breaking the secret?

 

Russia or China could easily setup a hi-res satellite feed of area 51 and have it streaming on the whole internet 24/7. And there would be exactly zero the american government could do about it.

 

So why do they not?

 

 

"So why do they not?"


Probably because nothing exciting is going on :)

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On 6/15/2024 at 11:44 AM, mw.decavia said:

Even if, as you say, there is nothing extraterrestrial to see at area 51, would that not make a streaming satellite feed of the place all the more an embarrassment for comrade Putin to laugh about?
 

And if there are other really secret places, if they are known to Russia or China, they could be added to the feed?

They aren't Intrusion Testers.

If you want continued access to secrets that you're not supposed to have access to, you keep it a secret. 

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Even some commercial satellites are in the right place to take occasional views.  We do the same thing so we are well aware of the potential.  The un-seeable  is parked in a hanger during flyovers.

If Russia did publish our secret aircraft development, that could backfire on them.  Then we know that they know.  If they are quiet, they can secretly plan their countermeasures, and we might get careless sometime

If they have nothing to match it, then they have one more worry that they just told the world about.  The US has an aircraft that they cannot match.  Bad for morale and arms sales..  They don't want to have the world know they are second best. The US might also decide that since the cats out of the bag, they might as well deploy it .  That would not be good for Russia.  If you notice reporting, Russia tends to overhype their new developments, while the US understates theirs.  

Few people mention it, but Ukraine is a great testing ground for NATO strategy and weapons, similar to the Spanish Revolution before WWII.    Both allies and axis tested new weapons  fighting for or against Franco.. Russia doesn't need F-16's showing up in Ukraine accompanied by something even better. 

And as you might know the location of Area 52 has never been revealed.  :whistle:

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On 6/15/2024 at 8:01 AM, mw.decavia said:

The americans already publicize every russian secret that would not endanger the identity of the spy who collected it. If Putin ran an area 51 feed, there is no tit for tat retaliation the americans would be willing to escalate to.

 

I was not suggesting that one of america's enemies launch a new satellite for the task. But both Russia and China have so many recon satellites already running. Would not cost anything extra, nothing for any russian general to fear consequences of. And ets or not, everyone at the Kremlin could laugh at the americans.

 

And yes, they probably already have cameras on area 51.

 

They are supposed to be the enemy. So why are they not always using every mean and dirty trick available to tarnish america?

 

Or are they just not serious about the whole "enemies" thing, is it just a charade?

 

 

 

Haven't you been following the news? Russia has done a bang up job destabilizing the US. America is turning into a global laughing stock thanks to Putin, and Xi. All done by news, and social media. A lot cheaper than parking a satellite over one specific  spot hoping for a gotcha moment.

Besides, the US knows exactly where all of Russia, and China's satellites are at all times.  Area 51 wouldn't trot out any secret projects knowing a satellite or two were passing over.

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44 minutes ago, Hankenhunter said:

Haven't you been following the news? Russia has done a bang up job destabilizing the US. America is turning into a global laughing stock thanks to Putin, and Xi. All done by news, and social media. A lot cheaper than parking a satellite over one specific  spot hoping for a gotcha moment.

Besides, the US knows exactly where all of Russia, and China's satellites are at all times.  Area 51 wouldn't trot out any secret projects knowing a satellite or two were passing over.

The biggest destabilizing thing in the US was/is your orange buddy.

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