The UK’s culture war is dying – but the next PM will face populists overseas

[pellinore]

2 minutes ago, Buzz_Light_Year said:

I did.

A constitutional republic is not superior to democracy. It would only be tenable if the rule of law and separation of powers existed, when it would be indistinguishable from democracy.

So, you couldn't think of anything? Fair enough.

[Setton]

13 hours ago, and-then said:

I find it a bit odd that the UK is moving Left while much of the rest of the European voters seem to have had all they want of that corrosive ideology.  

The UK government has been tilting further and further right while the rest of Europe has tilted further left. They're now overcorrecting to the right and we're overcorrecting to the left.

We've had 14 years of an increasingly right wing government and people have had enough and want a change. Then we'll have however long of a left wing government until people have had enough of that.

It's nothing new.

Edited June 18 by Setton

[itsnotoutthere]

25 minutes ago, Setton said:

The UK government has been tilting further and further right while the rest of Europe has tilted further left. They're now overcorrecting to the right and we're overcorrecting to the left.

We've had 14 years of an increasingly right wing government and people have had enough and want a change. Then we'll have however long of a left wing government until people have had enough of that.

It's nothing new.

😆

[Buzz_Light_Year]

4 hours ago, pellinore said:

A constitutional republic is not superior to democracy.

The sad part of that statement is that you believe it.

[Duke Wellington]

On 6/17/2024 at 5:05 AM, pellinore said:

Populism limps on, but the general election looks set to deliver the death blow that will put it out of its misery. ........

But just as Britain seems willing to rejoin the grown ups and ready to regain its reputation as a sensible country which respects the rule of law and its international obligations, many of its allies overseas are ramping up their flirtations with populism.

Were he to win the keys to Downing Street, this would be a major strategic challenge for Starmer’s new government. And it is a challenge made all the more acute by the increasing volatility in the world, whether that be in the shape of Russia, China or the Middle East and the threats they pose to security and the economy.

With Brexit estimated to be costing the British economy £100 billion a year in lost output, now would be a good time to reestablish constructive cooperation with the EU, working closer together for mutual economic and social benefit.

But so much for the hope London could normalise its relations with Brussels for the first time in a decade when one looks at the buildup to the European parliamentary elections. Far right, anti-European and populist parties across a host of member states are widely expected to win significant support, shifting the balance in the parliament and potentially the make-up of the European Commission.

The UK’s culture war is dying – but the next prime minister will have to stand up to plenty of populists overseas (theconversation.com)

Tell us again how you are a Tory, its funny.

[Duke Wellington]

On 6/17/2024 at 8:37 AM, pellinore said:

I think you may be confusing populism with democracy, and nationalism with patriotism. I am a great fan of democracy and have always been conservative (small c) in my politics.

There were go! lol

[Duke Wellington]

14 hours ago, and-then said:

I find it a bit odd that the UK is moving Left while much of the rest of the European voters seem to have had all they want of that corrosive ideology.  I don't follow UK politics very much but it seems that the "conservatives" have behaved like our DC Republicans and made many promises they did not even try to follow up on or failed miserably in executing.  Unless we have another bizarre election where millions of unsigned, unrequested, UNVERIFIED votes - still being tallied days after election day - manage to bring Biden or some replacement across the line as "winner", then the most likely outcome is another Trump presidency.

The DC crowd have managed to create the perception of so much economic misery, and have sowed so much division between so many groups that people are simply worn out and want it to go away.  They have inflicted so much pain on so many that it's even possible that in a "clean" election, we might have unified government for two years.  A Republican majority House, Senate, and Oval Office.  We, and apparently most Western nations, have become so divided that we're at an inflection point between anarchy - meaning absolute chaos and lawlessness - or a return to a more conservative, traditional way of life.  That would include limits on governments getting in the way of people's lives.  It's going to be interesting to watch the choice unfold.  The Left have done everything they can to stop Trump - short of eliminating him physically and I pray they refrain from that madness - and they have now put him in a position, through their obvious hatred and double standards, of being seen as a kind of political martyr.  A lot of people are waking up to the threat that these people in DC pose to all Americans.

Sadly, I expect the forces that created the "Summer of Floyd" to be at work prior to the election and if it goes to Trump, they will just continue and ramp up the discord and violence.

The UK isn`t moving left.

Two forces are at play. The first is those in the centre who go from one side to the other depending on which one was last in power. The second is that we now have two right wing parties not one, and the vote is split between them.

[Setton]

4 hours ago, itsnotoutthere said:

😆

So David Cameron is further right than Johnson, Truss or Sunak?