Spiritualist healer who was clinically dead for 3 days says a 'Golden age' is coming soon

[Piney]

2 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

It might be the same thing that makes me so very angry when someone tells an obvious schizophrenic they're communing with spirits. That enrages me. I've seen too many people show up on a psionics and occult forum with a mental illness and people just tell them it's 'psychic vision'. 

You and me both. We had to deal with some real winners together. 

Read gets the top prize though for telling us our common sense approached advice is "Satanic". 

[XenoFish]

1 minute ago, Piney said:

You and me both. We had to deal with some real winners together. 

Read gets the top prize though for telling us our common sense approached advice is "Satanic". 

Everything is satanic to Read. 

[+Desertrat56]

20 hours ago, Piney said:

We talked about it before.

 My stepsister blew thousands of her college fund on Takata's stupid thinking it resembled Quaker Light Work. 

I had classes first from someone who did a weekend reiki retreat and was told at the end that she was now a reiki master.   She then started classes and learned a lot, doing research on who Takata was and who Usui actually was.   She only charged $100.00 for her reiki one and 2 and I am not sure she ever trained anyone to be a "master".  Later I met a guy and hung out with him who was trained in Japan, had totally different training and understandings.   He didn't turn out any "masters" either.  His classes weren't about reiki most of the time either, just about what ever caught his fancy that week so it was hard to be serious about any of it, but it was a very broad education into philosophy and old time non christian religion.

[+Desertrat56]

19 hours ago, XenoFish said:

My main issues isn't exactly ego in all this energy healing business. It's the idea that it'll cure cancer. It treats symptoms with a placebo, nothing wrong with that and if it is used in assistance to proper medical care, fine. It might be the same thing that makes me so very angry when someone tells an obvious schizophrenic they're communing with spirits. That enrages me. I've seen too many people show up on a psionics and occult forum with a mental illness and people just tell them it's 'psychic vision'. 

I agree, though I am doubtful about current medical "cures" and pharmacuetical "thereapies", and I am not so sure it is a placebo.  We all need kindness from human interaction and sometimes that can go a long way towards healing, but the person doing the healing is the person receiving the attention they are starved for in normal life.   Reiki is hands on or hands off, and some people get so little hands on from others that is a very big deal to them.   We are more than the sum of our physical parts and we are also social creatures and when society is as messed up as it is (and has been) these "healers" get made a big deal of, they have "magic" just because they are willing to give someone some much needed peaceful attention.   Yes, those who charge large sums are con artists, but if someone is willing to give it for no gain, that is a blessing not just to the people who receive the attention, but to the world that there are still people out there who care about other humans.   It doesn't even need to be some "healing" modality, it could just be a nice conversation, or acknowledgement that one is seen.

Edited June 21 by Desertrat56

[XenoFish]

4 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

I agree, though I am doubtful about current medical "cures" and pharmacuetical "thereapies", and I am not so sure it is a placebo.  We all need kindness from human interaction and sometimes that can go a long way towards healing, but the person doing the healing is the person receiving the attention they are starved for in normal life.   Reiki is hands on or hands off, and some people get so little hands on from others that is a very big deal to them.   We are more than the sum of our physical parts and we are also social creatures and when society is as messed up as it is (and has been) these "healers" get made a big deal of, they have "magic" just because they are willing to give someone some much needed peaceful attention.   Yes, those who charge large sums are con men, but if someone is willing to give it for no gain, that is a blessing not just to the people who receive the attention, but to the world that there are still people out there who care about other humans.   It doesn't even need to be some "healing" modality, it could just be a nice conversation, or acknowledgement that one is seen.

The touch is just helping to release oxytocin which triggers other feel good chemicals such as dopamine and serotonin. Endorphins are also released which is a pain reliever. 

[+Desertrat56]

1 minute ago, XenoFish said:

The touch is just helping to release oxytocin which triggers other feel good chemicals such as dopamine and serotonin. Endorphins are also released which is a pain reliever. 

Yes, it is why hospitals have programs for volunteers to come hold the crack babies or orphan infants.   They do not thrive if they don't have human touch.

[lightly]

6 hours ago, XenoFish said:

The touch is just helping to release oxytocin which triggers other feel good chemicals such as dopamine and serotonin. Endorphins are also released which is a pain reliever. 

Ah,   so that’s how ma made it better.  🥰

Edited June 21 by lightly

[GlitterRose]

No one can be clinically dead for 3 days and then revived. 

This is total bs. 

[Dejarma]

On 6/18/2024 at 4:03 PM, pellinore said:

A spiritualist who was clinically dead

clinically dead is not dead if the brain is still active.. all it is is the brains way of coping with extreme circumstances

what is dead? to me dead is having no head due to a shot gun or falling 24 floors onto concrete- that's dead.. you can't have any thoughts or consciousness after that! or can you? what do i know

[pellinore]

1 hour ago, GlitterRose said:

No one can be clinically dead for 3 days and then revived. 

This is total bs. 

1 hour ago, Dejarma said:

clinically dead is not dead if the brain is still active.. all it is is the brains way of coping with extreme circumstances

what is dead? to me dead is having no head due to a shot gun or falling 24 floors onto concrete- that's dead.. you can't have any thoughts or consciousness after that! or can you? what do i know

From Wikipedia: Clinical death is the medical term for cessation of blood circulation and breathing, the two criteria necessary to sustain the lives of human beings and of many other organisms.[1] It occurs when the heart stops beating in a regular rhythm, a condition called cardiac arrest. The term is also sometimes used in resuscitation research.

Could someone be kept on ventilation for three days without tissue and organ damage?

[Dejarma]

2 minutes ago, pellinore said:

From Wikipedia: Clinical death is the medical term for cessation of blood circulation and breathing, the two criteria necessary to sustain the lives of human beings and of many other organisms.[1] It occurs when the heart stops beating in a regular rhythm, a condition called cardiac arrest. The term is also sometimes used in resuscitation research.

Could someone be kept on ventilation for three days without tissue and organ damage?

yeah thanks pell- but it's not dead is it.... when it's suggested someone came back from the dead (ya know, all the paranormal banter) it's not actually true is it--- well IMO anyway😉

[pellinore]

5 minutes ago, Dejarma said:

yeah thanks pell- but it's not dead is it.... when it's suggested someone came back from the dead (ya know, all the paranormal banter) it's not actually true is it--- well IMO anyway😉

I agree. Which is why I discount NDEs as giving us info on what it is like to be dead- Near Death isn't dead. Dead is a condition we don't come back from- ever! 

Edited June 22 by pellinore

[GlitterRose]

4 minutes ago, Dejarma said:

yeah thanks pell- but it's not dead is it.... when it's suggested someone came back from the dead (ya know, all the paranormal banter) it's not actually true is it--- well IMO anyway😉

Yep...from pel's own wiki source...

Patients supported by methods that certainly maintain enough blood circulation and oxygenation for sustaining life during stopped heartbeat and breathing, such as cardiopulmonary bypass, are not customarily considered clinically dead. All parts of the body except the heart and lungs continue to function normally. Clinical death occurs only if machines providing sole circulatory support are turned off, leaving the patient in a state of stopped blood circulation.

[Dejarma]

1 minute ago, GlitterRose said:

Yep...from pel's own wiki source...

Patients supported by methods that certainly maintain enough blood circulation and oxygenation for sustaining life during stopped heartbeat and breathing, such as cardiopulmonary bypass, are not customarily considered clinically dead. All parts of the body except the heart and lungs continue to function normally. Clinical death occurs only if machines providing sole circulatory support are turned off, leaving the patient in a state of stopped blood circulation.

sorry all due respect but your point is what?

[GlitterRose]

2 minutes ago, Dejarma said:

sorry all due respect but your point is what?

That you are correct. 

[Dejarma]

3 minutes ago, pellinore said:

I agree. Which is why I discount NDEs- Near Death isn't dead. Dead is a condition we don't come back from- ever! 

but the paranormal says we do.... if something like this was real we would know it as fact now 😉

[Dejarma]

1 minute ago, GlitterRose said:

That you are correct. 

oh right... thanks for the clarification .. i'm old, leave me alone to get on with it😁

[Piney]

7 minutes ago, pellinore said:

I agree. Which is why I discount NDEs as giving us info on what it is like to be dead- Near Death isn't dead. Dead is a condition we don't come back from- ever! 

Right before they go there is a gamma wave spike on the portable EEG. If you can bring them back during that spike that's when someone has a NDE. The spike is just your brain calming you down as you check out but once that spike is over your brain dead and not coming back. 

[Dejarma]

10 minutes ago, Piney said:

Right before they go there is a gamma wave spike on the portable EEG. If you can bring them back during that spike that's when someone has a NDE. The spike is just your brain calming you down as you check out but once that spike is over your brain dead and not coming back. 

yeah good words Piney:

I retire in September... Time for me is more important than money now (though I've felt that way for years to be honest) but it makes one think more deeply about life/ existence etc.

If there really is life after death then why is it who ever is in charge doesn't prove it to the 7+ billion on this planet? Just to make things nice for everyone, giving hope if ya like 🤷‍♂️

Edit to add:

Having thought about maybe people would kill themselves for this utopia?? Hmm, well this post has backfired on me😉

Edited June 22 by Dejarma

[Piney]

1 minute ago, Dejarma said:

yeah good words Piney:

I retire in September... Time for me is more important than money now (though I've felt that way for years to be honest) but it makes one think more deeply about life/ existence etc.

If there really is life after death then why is it who ever is in charge doesn't prove it to the 7+ billion on this planet? Just to make things nice for everyone, giving hope if ya like 🤷‍♂️

After my wife died I'm just waiting for death. Time nor money mean nothing to me now. If it's nothingness, it wouldn't bother me one bit. 

Right now I'm just here for our cats. 

[Dejarma]

1 minute ago, Piney said:

After my wife died I'm just waiting for death. Time nor money mean nothing to me now. If it's nothingness, it wouldn't bother me one bit. 

Right now I'm just here for our cats. 

oh mate.. i don't know what i would do if my wife/ my best friend died!!! i feel for you..

how long ago? i think you told me ages ago so my apologies for not remembering 💌

[Piney]

20 minutes ago, Dejarma said:

oh mate.. i don't know what i would do if my wife/ my best friend died!!! i feel for you..

how long ago? i think you told me ages ago so my apologies for not remembering 💌

This past December 7th. 

[Dejarma]

21 minutes ago, Piney said:

Right now I'm just here for our cats. 

JUST!?!? No you are not! It's folk like your good self who give hope & inspiration to others when you speak in here.

Your words in this place are worth the world IMO.. Personally I love reading what you say in here as I'm sure your wife will agree if there is any form of life after death.

If there isn't then it doesn't matter does it.

[Piney]

1 minute ago, Dejarma said:

JUST!?!? No you are not! It's folk like your good self who give hope & inspiration to others when you speak in here.

Your words in this place are worth the world IMO.. Personally I love reading what you say in here as I'm sure your wife will agree if there is any form of life after death.

If there isn't then it doesn't matter does it.

Thanks! I really appreciate that. 

[GlitterRose]

41 minutes ago, Piney said:

After my wife died I'm just waiting for death. Time nor money mean nothing to me now. If it's nothingness, it wouldn't bother me one bit. 

Right now I'm just here for our cats. 

I never know what to say because nothing can make it better. 

Just...I'm glad you're here and I'd miss you if you weren't.

I'm sure there are lots of us who would.