North Korean troops will become 'cannon fodder' if they aid Russia in Ukraine, Pentagon says

[Grim Reaper 6]

North Korean troops that are sent to Ukraine to aid in Russia's war would become "cannon fodder," the Pentagon said. Pentagon Press Secretary Maj. Gen. Pat Ryder said on Tuesday that "I think that if I were North Korean military personnel management, I would be questioning my choices on sending my forces to be cannon fodder in an illegal war against Ukraine."

According to South Korea's TV Chosun, citing a South Korean government official and referenced by Reuters, North Korea is planning to send construction and engineering forces to occupied Ukraine as soon as next month for rebuilding work.

@Trelane

North Korean troops will become 'cannon fodder' if they aid Russia in Ukraine, Pentagon says (msn.com)

[Kittens Are Jerks]

Aha, so that's what those two losers were discussing. Apparently their strategic partnership treaty doesn’t mention the current war in Ukraine and there is no indication at this time that North Korea will send  troops. I read elsewhere that the military engineering unit being sent to Ukraine will likely serve as overseas workers to earn much needed cash for North Korea, where the economy is strangled by international sanctions

Edited June 26 by Kittens Are Jerks
Minor correction.

[Grim Reaper 6]

12 minutes ago, Kittens Are Jerks said:

Aha, so that's what those two losers were discussing. Apparently their strategic partnership treaty doesn’t mention the current war in Ukraine and there is no indication at this time that North Korea will send canon troops. I read elsewhere that the military engineering unit being sent to Ukraine will likely serve as overseas workers to earn much needed cash for North Korea, where the economy is strangled by international sanctions

That is most likely the case, like I said previously elsewhere this is a game they are playing. But it opens the door for NATO to supplement the Ukrainian Military. Many European Nations have been openly talking about sending troops (UK-France) now that Putin has upped the stakes maybe they will, I hope so!!

[CrimsonKing]

1 minute ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

That is most likely the case, like I said previously elsewhere this is a game they are playing. But it opens the door for NATO to supplement the Ukrainian Military. Many European Nations have been openly talking about sending troops (UK-France) now that Putin has upped the stakes maybe they will, I hope so!!

Hell Poland has been looking for a fight,I'm sure they will gladly send some troops.

[Grim Reaper 6]

2 minutes ago, CrimsonKing said:

Hell Poland has been looking for a fight, I'm sure they will gladly send some troops.

Yep, that certainly is true I am glad to see the Europe standing up because it should keep the US from sending troops!!

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[Ell]

I wonder how long ago this coming new world war was planned? Since the fall of the Berlin wall?

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

32 minutes ago, Ell said:

I wonder how long ago this coming new world war was planned? Since the fall of the Berlin wall?

Before if Steve Greer is to be believed (it’s all stage dressing for a “Watchmen” moment BTW). 

[Grim Reaper 6]

47 minutes ago, Ell said:

I wonder how long ago this coming new world war was planned? Since the fall of the Berlin wall?

Since Vladimir Putin decided he wanted to bring the Sovit Union back.

[Tatetopa]

Like the old WWI song says, "How you gonna keep them down on the farm once they have see Paree?"

What is to keep NK soldiers from killing their Russian commanders and surrendering to Ukraine?  Probably easier than getting across the border from NK to SK isn't it Grim?  

[Tatetopa]

53 minutes ago, Ell said:

I wonder how long ago this coming new world war was planned? Since the fall of the Berlin wall?

Dictators versus Democracy?

[Grim Reaper 6]

1 minute ago, Tatetopa said:

Like the old WWI song says, "How you gonna keep them down on the farm once they have see Paree?"

What is to keep NK soldiers from killing their Russian commanders and surrendering to Ukraine?  Probably easier than getting across the border from NK to SK isn't it Grim?  

Yea it is certainly a hell of a lot easier. When someone defects from the North, South Korea gives them citizenship, helps them find work, supplies housing and has programs to acclimate them back into society. The only downside is someone defects their entire families left behind in North Korea are severely punished, this is why more people don't defect!!

[Kittens Are Jerks]

1 minute ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

Yea it is certainly a hell of a lot easier. When someone defects from the North, South Korea gives them citizenship, helps them find work, supplies housing and has programs to acclimate them back into society. The only downside is someone defects their entire families left behind in North Korea are severely punished, this is why more people don't defect!!

The possibility of defections occurred to me as well, but yes, their families back home would be good incentive to return. Five bucks says only those military engineers with spouses and children will be sent.

[DarkHunter]

12 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

What is to keep NK soldiers from killing their Russian commanders and surrendering to Ukraine?  Probably easier than getting across the border from NK to SK isn't it Grim?  

The fact that the North Korean government believes in extending punishment to families over multiple generations for what one person does.

North Korean soldiers could try to defect but their entire family, including children and unborn grand children assuming any would get born, will find themselves in a North Korean prison camp for the rest or entirety of their lives.

[Bavarian Raven]

Well if North Korea is "allowed" to send troops to Ukraine, it should be okay for NATO to send a "volunteer" expedition too. 

[Grim Reaper 6]

3 hours ago, Kittens Are Jerks said:

The possibility of defections occurred to me as well, but yes, their families back home would be good incentive to return. Five bucks says only those military engineers with spouses and children will be sent.

Actually when someone defects they not only go after direct family they will punish all relatives even distant ones. According to what I have learned here in South Korea, these punishments can be a sentence of death ☠️, imprisonment, or reeducation. I would assume that the families of soldiers would receive the worst punishment because they are far more committed to the regime.

Edited June 27 by Grim Reaper 6

[Grim Reaper 6]

2 hours ago, Bavarian Raven said:

Well if North Korea is "allowed" to send troops to Ukraine, it should be okay for NATO to send a "volunteer" expedition too. 

I agree and over the last few months European NATO members have been talking about doing just that!

[Tatetopa]

So, you folks know this topic far better than me.  Has the North Korean army  been in any large battles since the Korean War?  Does the border count as combat experience?   From press releases, seems those being sent are like combat engineers. US press said cannon fodder, but I wonder if this group  is there to support.  I suppose I picture these combat engineers digging trenches when the Russian backhoes get blown up.  A farmer digging his field only takes a couple of days to learn to dig trenches..

Other questions.  Could Kim send 250,000 or even 500,000 troops eventually?  How big is the NK army?  How is their health?   Will he sell their lives for oil?  I don't picture him caring if any came back.

[Grim Reaper 6]

16 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

So, you folks know this topic far better than me.  Has the North Korean army  been in any large battles since the Korean War?  Does the border count as combat experience?

During the Vietnam war the duty in South Korea was also considered a combat zone. Because of the volume of cross border fire incidents, all the way up until the 1980s the US maintained control of all United Nation forces patrolling the DMZ. Camp Liberty Bell the main US Patrol base located on the DMZ was attacked by North Korean forces causing many casualties in August 1976. Liberty Bell was finally closed in 85-86 and South Korean forces took control of the DMZ, after that the only American Presence left there are at Panmunjom, Peace village where our soldiers remain today as security forces.

16 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

 

   From press releases, seems those being sent are like combat engineers. US press said cannon fodder, but I wonder if this group  is there to support.  I suppose I picture these combat engineers digging trenches when the Russian backhoes get blown up.  A farmer digging his field only takes a couple of days to learn to dig trenches..

I suppose that about sums it according to the media!!

16 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

Other questions.  Could Kim send 250,000 or even 500,000 troops eventually?  How big is the NK army?  How is their health?   Will he sell their lives for oil?  I don't picture him caring if any came back.

Kim's Military forces consist of approximately 1.3 million personnel, on paper it is the largest military force in the world!Kim could send a few hundred thousand soldiers into the conflict, however based upon the largest percentage of those soldiers are not well feed and in poor general health I doubt Russia would want them. I believe he would sell a number of his soldiers or trade for oil, but the quality of those forces would be poor in my opinion. No, he doesn't care if they survive or not his own soldiers are cannon fodder to him also, expected to give their lives for the regime. 

[Ell]

7 hours ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

Since Vladimir Putin decided he wanted to bring the Sovit Union back.

You are naive. These kinds of huge wars are planned decades in advance.

[Grim Reaper 6]

1 minute ago, Ell said:

You are naive. These kinds of huge wars are planned decades in advance.

Well if I am naivety, your OD fellow!

[Tatetopa]

10 hours ago, Ell said:

You are naive. These kinds of huge wars are planned decades in advance.

What would lead you to believe that? An intelligence does not plan and predict actions  when and where they cannot see. 

Look at what has happened to world culture in the last 30 years.   China was not a mayor player and India had not even begun  on that road yet.  People were not predicting the effects of climate change.  We did not have much of an Internet, AI, cell phones   Norway had not quietly become one of the richest nations in the world.   Call me  naïve  I fail to see the motivation.

[Ell]

2 hours ago, Tatetopa said:

What would lead you to believe that? An intelligence does not plan and predict actions  when and where they cannot see. 

Motivation? What about hunger for absolute power? What about idealism? 

All types of psychologies are idealists in one way or another.

Narcissists by definition live in their perfect world in which they are almighty god.

Sociopaths by definition want ultimate power and prey on the weak.

Secret societies are of all times. High IQ sociopaths are always brooding on their plans to remake the world in their own image. (As are narcissists: confer the crazy woke narcissists.)

You can be sure that if I can think of ways to create the conditions for conflict and wars - and I can - then the united high IQ sociopaths definitely can as well - and have done so for centuries.

[Trelane]

Wait for it folks...it's about to be said. Just wait.

[Grim Reaper 6]

3 hours ago, Ell said:

Motivation? What about hunger for absolute power? What about idealism? 

All types of psychologies are idealists in one way or another.

Narcissists by definition live in their perfect world in which they are almighty god.

Sociopaths by definition want ultimate power and prey on the weak.

Secret societies are of all times. High IQ sociopaths are always brooding on their plans to remake the world in their own image. (As are narcissists: confer the crazy woke narcissists.)

You can be sure that if I can think of ways to create the conditions for conflict and wars - and I can - then the united high IQ sociopaths definitely can as well - and have done so for centuries.

Man oh man, tell us how you really feel!

[Trelane]

Is it an evil cabal behind all of it? I bet it's an evil cabal....🙄