How does the defeated Tory party improve their popularity?

[L.A.T.1961]

Many wet conservatives doing the rounds on TV this morning saying that this result should not drag the party toward Reform.

They claim that Tories should stay on the center ground, which is actually left of center and why they lost catastrophically last night.

A complete denial of the situation and why Reform decimated the tory vote. 

 

Starmer said in his speech this morning that he wants 2 terms to get the job done, despite him expecting the Tories to sort things in 6 months. 

I don't think he will have to worry about a resurgent conservative party influenced by the likes of Rory and his mates.

[pellinore]

@L.A.T.1961 'Starmer said in his speech this morning that he wants 2 terms to get the job done, despite him expecting the Tories to sort things in 6 months.' 

They had 14 years. They are the reason things need sorting.

Matt Godwin is quite deluded. The descent into Faragism is what has cost the Tories so dear, partly. The Blue Wall quite rightly reject ignorant thuggery in politics.

 

 

Edited July 5 by pellinore

[L.A.T.1961]

1 minute ago, pellinore said:

@L.A.T.1961 'Starmer said in his speech this morning that he wants 2 terms to get the job done, despite him expecting the Tories to sort things in 6 months.' 

They had 14 years. They are the reason things need sorting.

 

 

Many of the global problems we have today, like the cost of living crisis did not exist 14 years ago.

China flooding the markets with cheap subsidsed goods, so they could become an indispensable part of global trade, kept consumer prices down.

 

[pellinore]

41 minutes ago, L.A.T.1961 said:

Many of the global problems we have today, like the cost of living crisis did not exist 14 years ago.

China flooding the markets with cheap subsidsed goods, so they could become an indispensable part of global trade, kept consumer prices down.

 

I thought you were referring to domestic issues- not that populism can deal with them.

Global problems like China flooding markets is already being addressed by the EU:EU brushes aside risk of China trade war over electric vehicle tariffs | Automotive industry | The Guardian

You do realise that it is not in the UK's interest to be flooded by cheap products, don't you? Your sentence doesn't make that clear.

 

[L.A.T.1961]

6 hours ago, pellinore said:

I thought you were referring to domestic issues- not that populism can deal with them.

 

 

The global problem causing inflation becomes a UK problem and one we have no direct control over.

Increasing energy prices caused by the Ukraine war fed directly into UK inflation.

For people to suggest inflation is a UK problem caused by gov policy is spin. 

Increasing UK production of oil and gas will help control energy price fluctuation in the future but it will take time to ramp up production and in the meantime the Labour party will put a halt on north sea expansion.  

"You do realise that it is not in the UK's interest to be flooded by cheap products, don't you? Your sentence doesn't make that clear."

Flooding the UK with cheap imports for products the UK does not produce makes little difference to UK GDP or jobs.

If costs of imported goods increase then stimulating home made production is possible but not in the short term. 

 

[pellinore]

3 hours ago, L.A.T.1961 said:

The global problem causing inflation becomes a UK problem and one we have no direct control over.

Increasing UK production of oil and gas will help control energy price fluctuation in the future but it will take time to ramp up production and in the meantime the Labour party will put a halt on north sea expansion.  

I agree with most of what you say except for two points:

The global problem causing inflation becomes a UK problem and one we have no direct control over. Putting up trade barriers and ending the use of our own labour (European) has both increased permanent immigration by a huge amount and damaged the UK economy (knocking off about 4-5.5% of annual growth and costing about £100 billion per year by independent analysis). And this was Tory govt policy.

Increasing UK production of oil and gas will help control energy price fluctuation in the future- probably will have a negligible effect if any. The UK sells its oil on the international market (all countries do, because different oil fields produce different types of oil and gas which are processed in specialist global centres- the UK can't process its North Sea oil as it is too viscous and so buys oil from Libya and other countries). The amount the UK can introduce to the global market is so small that it will have little effect on the global market price compared to the amounts produced by the US and OPEC).

It is true that it is another product the UK can sell, but it may be that the money the UK spends to encourage investment in North Sea oil might be better spent on something that raises more money- like the UK entertainment industry or raising the standards of UK universities to encourage overseas students, for example. Both of which have been damaged by Tory govt policy.

[OpenMindedSceptic]

Support small and medium sized businesses. They are the backbone of the economy.

Commit the SAS and SBS to hunting down criminals behind the dinghy crossings with an execute on sight order unless they criminals raise their hands, drop.straight to the floor and surrender.

Legalise and tax drugs.

Create nuclear plants and control our energy.

Nationalise water.

Bolster the armed forces.

Destroy wokeism.

Reduce public servants numbers.

Charge patients in hospitals for food.

Scrap PFI.

That's year 1 under way!

 

 

[OpenMindedSceptic]

6 hours ago, pellinore said:

I agree with most of what you say except for two points:

The global problem causing inflation becomes a UK problem and one we have no direct control over. Putting up trade barriers and ending the use of our own labour (European) has both increased permanent immigration by a huge amount and damaged the UK economy (knocking off about 4-5.5% of annual growth and costing about £100 billion per year by independent analysis). And this was Tory govt policy.

Increasing UK production of oil and gas will help control energy price fluctuation in the future- probably will have a negligible effect if any. The UK sells its oil on the international market (all countries do, because different oil fields produce different types of oil and gas which are processed in specialist global centres- the UK can't process its North Sea oil as it is too viscous and so buys oil from Libya and other countries). The amount the UK can introduce to the global market is so small that it will have little effect on the global market price compared to the amounts produced by the US and OPEC).

It is true that it is another product the UK can sell, but it may be that the money the UK spends to encourage investment in North Sea oil might be better spent on something that raises more money- like the UK entertainment industry or raising the standards of UK universities to encourage overseas students, for example. Both of which have been damaged by Tory govt policy.

No, just no.

Overseas students???  No.

Funny how inflation is now a global problem and not a UK one when the Tories were in power. Which was it?

[pellinore]

2 minutes ago, OpenMindedSceptic said:

No, just no.

Overseas students???  No.

Funny how inflation is now a global problem and not a UK one when the Tories were in power. Which was it?

Well, it was. Didn't you notice? The Ukraine war and Covid caused food, fertilizer and shipping to rocket in price. Chips (both potato and silicone) became scarce. You are thinking of the Tory excuse: it was a global problem when it was rising in the UK, but their policies brought it down. You're asking the question that was asked of them.

Why don't you like students? One of the premises for Brexit was that the UK would become a services and IT centre of expertise. Education was one of the services we would sell. Development of AI, etc. Our university places are worth billions. The years the UK was locked out of Horizon cost billions and did untold damage. We need undergraduate and graduate students in the UK.

[OpenMindedSceptic]

20 minutes ago, pellinore said:

Well, it was. Didn't you notice? The Ukraine war and Covid caused food, fertilizer and shipping to rocket in price. Chips (both potato and silicone) became scarce. You are thinking of the Tory excuse: it was a global problem when it was rising in the UK, but their policies brought it down. You're asking the question that was asked of them.

Why don't you like students? One of the premises for Brexit was that the UK would become a services and IT centre of expertise. Education was one of the services we would sell. Development of AI, etc. Our university places are worth billions. The years the UK was locked out of Horizon cost billions and did untold damage. We need undergraduate and graduate students in the UK.

We all noticed the inflation. You didn't until day 1 of Liebour in power.

We still have AI and Full universities. No need for student visas.