A third of Russians back Putin nuking Ukraine with major support

[Grim Reaper 6]

A rising number of Russians are ready to approve Vladimir Putin using nuclear weapons in Ukraine. Some 34 per cent - just over one in three - would definitely or likely support use of the ultimate weapon in the conflict. This is five per cent higher than one year ago, and the highest since Putin launched his illegal war against the sovereign state Ukraine.

A third of Russians back Putin nuking Ukraine with major support (msn.com)

[+and-then]

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/think-tank-close-kremlin-says-russia-should-consider-demonstrative-nuclear-2024-05-29/

Putin posits that if Russia actually detonated a nuke above ground, presumably on Russian soil, that live imaging of the mushroom cloud might do more to remind the leaders in the West of how destructive these things are, than any words Russia has been trying to convince the West with.  The idea is being bandied about within a Think Tank and it sounds like Putin might just resort to it if NATO nations keep giving permission to use their long range weapons deeper inside Russian territory.

The leaders of the West might still ignore him but those images being put up online could cause some serious panic among their populations.

I found this also:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/vladimir-putin-creating-mushroom-cloud-in-new-chilling-nuclear-war-simulation/ar-BB1oP8BS

It seems to define this action as more of a "model" that he wants a Patent on.  I really don't understand exactly what he's talking about.  Is it going to be a real detonation or some kind of magic simulation and if the latter, who is going to be impressed by tech in this day and age?

Edited July 6 by and-then

[Grim Reaper 6]

9 minutes ago, and-then said:

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/think-tank-close-kremlin-says-russia-should-consider-demonstrative-nuclear-2024-05-29/

Putin posits that if Russia actually detonated a nuke above ground, presumably on Russian soil, that live imaging of the mushroom cloud might do more to remind the leaders in the West of how destructive these things are, than any words Russia has been trying to convince the West with.  The idea is being bandied about within a Think Tank and it sounds like Putin might just resort to it if NATO nations keep giving permission to use their long range weapons deeper inside Russian territory.

The leaders of the West might still ignore him but those images being put up online could cause some serious panic among their populations.

I still believe in the MAD - Mutually Assured Destruction principle is the most effective method to insure nuclear weapons are not used. However, I do believe that if Putin detonated a Nuke in the Ukraine 🇺🇦 that NATO (US) would retaliate with a nuclear ☢️ detonation on Russian held Ukrainian territory. In my opinion the Ukrainians should not be hindered from attacking Russia on its soil, not allowing them too do so, is one of the reasons this war has lasted this long. By destroying Russian weapons depots and weapons transport facilities behind their line their logistics on the battlefield would dry up, and it would put the Ukrainians and Russians on a more equal playing field. Which I believe would bring this conflict to an end very quickly. Because, the Russian people would become tired of the conflict once they also had to endure what the Ukrainians have.

JIMHO

[Alchopwn]

11 hours ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

A rising number of Russians are ready to approve Vladimir Putin using nuclear weapons in Ukraine. Some 34 per cent - just over one in three - would definitely or likely support use of the ultimate weapon in the conflict. This is five per cent higher than one year ago, and the highest since Putin launched his illegal war against the sovereign state Ukraine.

A third of Russians back Putin nuking Ukraine with major support (msn.com)

They will be a greasy shadow of their former selves if they try.

[+and-then]

16 hours ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

By destroying Russian weapons depots and weapons transport facilities behind their line their logistics on the battlefield would dry up, and it would put the Ukrainians and Russians on a more equal playing field. Which I believe would bring this conflict to an end very quickly. Because, the Russian people would become tired of the conflict once they also had to endure what the Ukrainians have.

Well, the war can't be abandoned by us at this point.  It's too late for that but if the trend of gradually escalating to bring the full force of NATO armaments to bear on a single nation continues, Putin's desperation to do something to ensure his own survival, could cause a catastrophe.  You see, he knows that to lose means the end of his regime AND his own life.  Dictators don't respond well to such outcomes.  It wouldn't surprise me at all if he took the step of above ground testing of a massive nuke over Russian territory at some point.  The idea is actually one of the more sane ones I've heard coming out of Moscow.

How do you think average Americans and Europeans would react to seeing say a 100 KT airburst recorded on modern high resolution video?  If it was done high enough above ground there would be minimal fallout and if anything is going to remind the world how deadly these things are, SEEING IT is the last chance.

[+and-then]

8 hours ago, Alchopwn said:

They will be a greasy shadow of their former selves if they try.

What should be done if they follow the advice of this "Think Tank" and do a test detonation over Russian territory, say, in their Far East?  How do you think the world would respond if they did that and broadcast the imagery live, globally?

[jmccr8]

38 minutes ago, and-then said:

Well, the war can't be abandoned by us at this point.  It's too late for that but if the trend of gradually escalating to bring the full force of NATO armaments to bear on a single nation continues, Putin's desperation to do something to ensure his own survival, could cause a catastrophe.  You see, he knows that to lose means the end of his regime AND his own life.  Dictators don't respond well to such outcomes.  It wouldn't surprise me at all if he took the step of above ground testing of a massive nuke over Russian territory at some point.  The idea is actually one of the more sane ones I've heard coming out of Moscow.

How do you think average Americans and Europeans would react to seeing say a 100 KT airburst recorded on modern high resolution video?  If it was done high enough above ground there would be minimal fallout and if anything is going to remind the world how deadly these things are, SEEING IT is the last chance.

HI And Then

Not likely that he would lose control over Russia for failure in the Ukraine. More likely more people will fall down stairs or out a windows. People with the amount of wealth that Putin has don't want to die and he can blame everyone else he would just throw them under the bus. 

[Grim Reaper 6]

3 hours ago, and-then said:

Well, the war can't be abandoned by us at this point.  It's too late for that but if the trend of gradually escalating to bring the full force of NATO armaments to bear on a single nation continues, Putin's desperation to do something to ensure his own survival, could cause a catastrophe.  You see, he knows that to lose means the end of his regime AND his own life.  Dictators don't respond well to such outcomes.  It wouldn't surprise me at all if he took the step of above ground testing of a massive nuke over Russian territory at some point.  The idea is actually one of the more sane ones I've heard coming out of Moscow.

How do you think average Americans and Europeans would react to seeing say a 100 KT airburst recorded on modern high resolution video?  If it was done high enough above ground there would be minimal fallout and if anything is going to remind the world how deadly these things are, SEEING IT is the last chance.

I don't know what the world would do to be honest, however they did nothing a few years ago when North Korea was detonating nuclear weapons. But I think only time will tell because Putin is becoming restless, and he is also running out of opinions in this conflict. Let's just hope that he doesn't detonate a nuclear weapon in the Ukraine, because believe it or not NATO will respond with a tactical nuke of their own.

The highlighted sentence above was almost accurate, it should read that if a nuke is considered an airburst there will be no fallout. Fallout only occurs when the fireball from the nuclear detonation hits the ground and when that happens the detonation is actually a ground burst detonation.

Peace man

[Unusual Tournament]

4 hours ago, and-then said:

Well, the war can't be abandoned by us at this point.  It's too late for that but if the trend of gradually escalating to bring the full force of NATO armaments to bear on a single nation continues, Putin's desperation to do something to ensure his own survival, could cause a catastrophe.  You see, he knows that to lose means the end of his regime AND his own life.  Dictators don't respond well to such outcomes.  It wouldn't surprise me at all if he took the step of above ground testing of a massive nuke over Russian territory at some point.  The idea is actually one of the more sane ones I've heard coming out of Moscow.

How do you think average Americans and Europeans would react to seeing say a 100 KT airburst recorded on modern high resolution video?  If it was done high enough above ground there would be minimal fallout and if anything is going to remind the world how deadly these things are, SEEING IT is the last chance.

To lose means the end of Russia as we know it. 
 

Nuclear weapons are already in the equation. 

[Alchopwn]

15 hours ago, and-then said:

What should be done if they follow the advice of this "Think Tank" and do a test detonation over Russian territory, say, in their Far East?  How do you think the world would respond if they did that and broadcast the imagery live, globally?

Any retaliation against Russia should be done purely as a matter of retaliation if they use nuclear weapons in Ukraine, as they have so often threatened, and which allegedly 1/3 of Russians support.

I don't advocate the use of nuclear weapons even as a "warning shot" in the fashion you have suggested.

It is worth noting that the Russians became "very understanding" when NATO countries began to arm their missiles with nuclear warheads recently, and were in fact conciliatory and even obsequious.  Russians have been rattling the nuclear sabre a lot, but they are actually scared to pants sh!tt!ng that anyone in NATO will take their puff and posturing seriously, when it is obviously and purely for idiotic propaganda purposes only.

[Grim Reaper 6]

4 hours ago, Alchopwn said:

Any retaliation against Russia should be done purely as a matter of retaliation if they use nuclear weapons in Ukraine, as they have so often threatened, and which allegedly 1/3 of Russians support.

I don't advocate the use of nuclear weapons even as a "warning shot" in the fashion you have suggested.

It is worth noting that the Russians became "very understanding" when NATO countries began to arm their missiles with nuclear warheads recently, and were in fact conciliatory and even obsequious.  Russians have been rattling the nuclear sabre a lot, but they are actually scared to pants sh!tt!ng that anyone in NATO will take their puff and posturing seriously, when it is obviously and purely for idiotic propaganda purposes only.

Which NATO nations did this, I must have missed something?

[Alchopwn]

29 minutes ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

Which NATO nations did this, I must have missed something?

I think it was the USA.  Certainly Jens Stoltenberg is also in talks about this too.

[fred_mc]

If Putin disappears (dies), Russia might very well get a new leader who is more positive to using nuclear weapons, maybe the new leader might think: "Why do we go on like this, losing lots of Russian soldiers every day, when we have more powerful weapons to use? Let's just nuclear bomb one major Ukrainian city every few days, until Ukraine surrenders, like the U.S. did with Japan at the end of WW2.".

[Grim Reaper 6]

4 hours ago, Alchopwn said:

I think it was the USA.  Certainly Jens Stoltenberg is also in talks about this too.

Thanks man!