OpenMindedSceptic Posted July 18 #76 Share Posted July 18 Now the Home Office Border Security Commander has quit. The strategy being followed by Liebour needed the Rwanda Scheme to be in place as that is one of the linchpins to the birders being secured. Liebour dropped the ball again, failed to understand the problem and as a result.... the boats are still coming, 2 weeks after Liebour got in. Liebour are clueless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted July 18 #77 Share Posted July 18 @OpenMindedSceptic Fascinating. I'd love to read more at your source. Oh wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OpenMindedSceptic Posted July 18 #78 Share Posted July 18 1 hour ago, Setton said: @OpenMindedSceptic Fascinating. I'd love to read more at your source. Oh wait. You don't know? Put down the socialist worker rags and read a broader selection of news reporting. It is everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted July 18 #79 Share Posted July 18 2 hours ago, OpenMindedSceptic said: You don't know? Put down the socialist worker rags and read a broader selection of news reporting. It is everywhere. Then you'd have no problem providing a source would you? Just like I have no problem proving it's a lie. This relies on three key facts: 1. Border Security Command doesn't exist yet. 2. The person who has quit was actually head of the Illegal Migration Operations Command. 3. They were appointed by Suella Braverman, who oversaw massive increase in illegal migration. Clearly incompetent and good he's out of the way of Labour's effective strategy. This is called a source. I even used a right wing rag with little words, just for you: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13644217/Home-Office-small-boats-chief-quits-days-labour-victory.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OpenMindedSceptic Posted July 18 #80 Share Posted July 18 1 hour ago, Setton said: Then you'd have no problem providing a source would you? Just like I have no problem proving it's a lie. This relies on three key facts: 1. Border Security Command doesn't exist yet. 2. The person who has quit was actually head of the Illegal Migration Operations Command. 3. They were appointed by Suella Braverman, who oversaw massive increase in illegal migration. Clearly incompetent and good he's out of the way of Labour's effective strategy. This is called a source. I even used a right wing rag with little words, just for you: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13644217/Home-Office-small-boats-chief-quits-days-labour-victory.html 'This is called a source'... quotes Daily Mail lmao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OpenMindedSceptic Posted July 19 #81 Share Posted July 19 Day 14 / 15 of Liebour's term in office, there's a major riot in the UK. Maybe some will say it's the lack of leadership from Starmer, others will say the Liebour plan is too vague, others may say it's the lack of future options, others will say it's the command to law enforcement not to go in and maintain order, most will agree that there is dithering from Liebour which allowed it to escalate. Personally, I think it is all the above. It is poor direction and leadership.by Liebour who are now seen as an easy touch combined with lack of hope for a bright future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted July 19 #82 Share Posted July 19 9 hours ago, OpenMindedSceptic said: 'This is called a source'... quotes Daily Mail lmao Like I said, a right wing rag to get down to your level. Still more source than you've provided. For the simple reason you can't because yours is an outright lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OpenMindedSceptic Posted July 19 #83 Share Posted July 19 10 minutes ago, Setton said: Like I said, a right wing rag to get down to your level. Still more source than you've provided. For the simple reason you can't because yours is an outright lie. You do not know my political leanings. You've guessed them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted July 19 #84 Share Posted July 19 (edited) 1 hour ago, OpenMindedSceptic said: You do not know my political leanings. You've guessed them. Right 😂 you're a total mystery! Still no source for your lie. Edited July 19 by Setton 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OpenMindedSceptic Posted July 19 #85 Share Posted July 19 15 days in... it has emerged that Liebour's vague plans will bring 700,000 pensioners into a pension tax bracket at a point in their lives where rhey can no longer plan their way through hardship. It is also mooted to scrap the free bbc licence fee for pensioners. Utterly disgraceful behaviour from Liebour yet again. It's every day! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted July 19 #86 Share Posted July 19 3 hours ago, OpenMindedSceptic said: 15 days in... it has emerged that Liebour's vague plans will bring 700,000 pensioners into a pension tax bracket at a point in their lives where rhey can no longer plan their way through hardship. It is also mooted to scrap the free bbc licence fee for pensioners. Utterly disgraceful behaviour from Liebour yet again. It's every day! And not a source in sight. As usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OpenMindedSceptic Posted July 19 #87 Share Posted July 19 Liebour's Angela Rayner has had a rough time in Westminster since election. Kemi Badenoch, the lady with experience in government, has wiped the floor with Rayner. Rayner just needs to build 800+ new homes a week while in power to meet Liebour's manifesto promise. Only... 2 weeks in and nothing has happened... so the project is already falling because work would have needed to start by now to even next the target. Watch the video and chuckle at Liebour's inept start to government Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OpenMindedSceptic Posted July 22 #88 Share Posted July 22 Ah, back refreshed after the weekend. Right, where next? Liebour's awful idea to to make private schools pay tax is about to shoot them in the foot. Not only will schools be able to now reclaim VAT (they were charged it but could never reclaim it), it will also open Customs & Excise up for VAT reclaims going back 10 years, costing the taxpayer a fortune. So much so, that breakeven for the tax may not be seen in the Liebour term.. I'm not sure Liebour know how to govern. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L.A.T.1961 Posted July 22 Author #89 Share Posted July 22 Another policy change since gaining office. No 10 denies government has changed position on two-child benefit cap Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer's refusal to abolish the two-child limit on claiming some benefits will be challenged at a meeting of the party's policy body this weekend. Sir Keir has faced a backlash from across his party over the issue. On Sunday, chancellor Rachel Reeves told the BBC she could not pledge to scrap the cap, which was first introduced by the Conservatives in 2015, without saying where the £3bn annual cost “is going to come from”. Education secretary Bridget Phillipson told Sky News on Monday morning that the government would “consider [lifting the cap] as one of a number of levers in terms of how we make sure we lift children out of poverty”. Hours later, Starmer backed Phillipson during a press conference at Farnborough international airshow, saying: “What the education secretary said this morning, I agree with … Have they found £3 billion over the weekend. 😉 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66231718 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted July 22 #90 Share Posted July 22 1 hour ago, L.A.T.1961 said: Another policy change since gaining office. No 10 denies government has changed position on two-child benefit cap Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer's refusal to abolish the two-child limit on claiming some benefits will be challenged at a meeting of the party's policy body this weekend. Sir Keir has faced a backlash from across his party over the issue. On Sunday, chancellor Rachel Reeves told the BBC she could not pledge to scrap the cap, which was first introduced by the Conservatives in 2015, without saying where the £3bn annual cost “is going to come from”. Education secretary Bridget Phillipson told Sky News on Monday morning that the government would “consider [lifting the cap] as one of a number of levers in terms of how we make sure we lift children out of poverty”. Hours later, Starmer backed Phillipson during a press conference at Farnborough international airshow, saying: “What the education secretary said this morning, I agree with … Have they found £3 billion over the weekend. 😉 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66231718 So what's the change in policy? "We can't lift it without finding the money from somewhere." "We'll consider lifting it." Do you think consideration wouldn't include "can we find the money for it"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OpenMindedSceptic Posted July 22 #91 Share Posted July 22 36 minutes ago, Setton said: So what's the change in policy? "We can't lift it without finding the money from somewhere." "We'll consider lifting it." Do you think consideration wouldn't include "can we find the money for it"? It's the dithering. 14 years of watching and then dithering, dithering, dithering. The wind will blow another direction tomorrow and Liebour will flip flop, maybe, maybe not, dunno, followed by more pathetic-ness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted July 22 #92 Share Posted July 22 1 hour ago, OpenMindedSceptic said: It's the dithering. 14 years of watching and then dithering, dithering, dithering. The wind will blow another direction tomorrow and Liebour will flip flop, maybe, maybe not, dunno, followed by more pathetic-ness Again, your lack of comprehension is not their issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OpenMindedSceptic Posted July 23 #93 Share Posted July 23 8 hours ago, Setton said: Again, your lack of comprehension is not their issue. Oh I understand, I understand that Liebour cannot sit back and snipe so they're frozen in fear because leading isn't easy. Just yesterday Reeves published talking about 'growth' but again, like Starmer's 'change' mantra, there's no plan, a growth fund? Lmao. If we have got so much growth coming then the 5 5% pay request by public sector will be a breeze. But we almost know that Liebour have no idea how to fund it. Liebour are just an interim short term government probably before Farage rises to power propelled by Liebour dithering and then making mistakes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OpenMindedSceptic Posted July 23 #94 Share Posted July 23 Liebour set to make first U turn after a little more than 2 weeks. Starmer no longer supports scrapping two-child benefit cap due to cost; despite repeatedly saying that cost wouldn't prevent him from scrapping it. And still, no plan from Liebour. 2 weeks in and Starmer, Reeves and Rayner are already being found out. Err, dither, err, delay, err opposition was easy, err this leadership malarkey is difficult, err, help... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ouija ouija Posted July 23 #95 Share Posted July 23 The proposition to scrap the two-child benefit cap was absolute madness. Just think who would benefit from that . . . . just think who would take advantage of that . . . . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pellinore Posted July 23 #96 Share Posted July 23 2 hours ago, ouija ouija said: The proposition to scrap the two-child benefit cap was absolute madness. Just think who would benefit from that . . . . just think who would take advantage of that . . . . Just a guess...children? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pellinore Posted July 23 #97 Share Posted July 23 (edited) 3 hours ago, OpenMindedSceptic said: Starmer no longer supports scrapping two-child benefit cap due to cost; despite repeatedly saying that cost wouldn't prevent him from scrapping it. It is a strange stance, agreed, but they need to make sure it can be affordable before they commit to it. Even Suella Braverman says the 2-child cap should be scrapped (though she isn't responsible for the budget): Suella Braverman has called for the two-child benefit cap to be scrapped, saying the policy is “aggravating child poverty”. The former home secretary praised the work of the late veteran Labour MP Frank Field towards eliminating poverty. And she called for the Conservatives to “do more to support families and children on lower incomes”. Suella Braverman calls for two-child benefit cap to be scrapped | The Independent Edited July 23 by pellinore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OpenMindedSceptic Posted July 23 #98 Share Posted July 23 27 minutes ago, pellinore said: It is a strange stance, agreed, but they need to make sure it can be affordable before they commit to it. Even Suella Braverman says the 2-child cap should be scrapped (though she isn't responsible for the budget): Suella Braverman has called for the two-child benefit cap to be scrapped, saying the policy is “aggravating child poverty”. The former home secretary praised the work of the late veteran Labour MP Frank Field towards eliminating poverty. And she called for the Conservatives to “do more to support families and children on lower incomes”. Suella Braverman calls for two-child benefit cap to be scrapped | The Independent He had the numbers when he canvassed, he has the same numbers now. But flip flop Starmer flakes very very quickly, his champagne bill will be due soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pellinore Posted July 23 #99 Share Posted July 23 (edited) 16 minutes ago, OpenMindedSceptic said: He had the numbers when he canvassed, he has the same numbers now. But flip flop Starmer flakes very very quickly, his champagne bill will be due soon. This isn't true, though I doubt that matters to you. Opposition parties don't have the same access that the govt has to costing policies, though the govt can cost policies for them (they don't need it either, as only a govt can produce policies). Costing opposition policies | Institute for Government Edited July 23 by pellinore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ouija ouija Posted July 23 #100 Share Posted July 23 1 hour ago, pellinore said: Just a guess...children? There are children and there are children. There are parents and there are parents. Not all are desirable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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