French Elections exit polls - France rejects Populism

[pellinore]

It looks like common sense is going to prevail in Europe- first the UK, now France, has shown the door to the Populists. The US next, hopefully.

France’s far-right National Rally has failed to become the largest party at parliamentary elections, according to shock exit poll results, which forecast the left-wing New Popular Front coalition is in pole position.

In results which would deliver a bitter blow to Marine Le Pen, an exit poll by Ipsos suggested the NFP coalition will win between 172 and 192 seats, with the Emmanuel Macron-backing Ensemble group taking second place and Ms Le Pen’s party in third place.

Mr Macron took even his own allies by surprise in calling the snap election last month, after the anti-immigration National Rally made huge gains in European elections.

French election – live: Far-right National Rally beaten by coalition with hung parliament, says exit poll | The Independent

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[Setton]

3 minutes ago, pellinore said:

It looks like common sense is going to prevail in Europe- first the UK, now France, has shown the door to the Populists. The US next, hopefully.

France’s far-right National Rally has failed to become the largest party at parliamentary elections, according to shock exit poll results, which forecast the left-wing New Popular Front coalition is in pole position.

In results which would deliver a bitter blow to Marine Le Pen, an exit poll by Ipsos suggested the NFP coalition will win between 172 and 192 seats, with the Emmanuel Macron-backing Ensemble group taking second place and Ms Le Pen’s party in third place.

Mr Macron took even his own allies by surprise in calling the snap election last month, after the anti-immigration National Rally made huge gains in European elections.

French election – live: Far-right National Rally beaten by coalition with hung parliament, says exit poll | The Independent

I've just posted this in another thread in response to a prematurely gleeful Cookie claiming National Rally were about to win 😄

Two elections in a week where everyone else has come together to beat the far right!

Never thought I'd say this but, good for you France!

[pellinore]

1 minute ago, Setton said:

I've just posted this in another thread in response to a prematurely gleeful Cookie claiming National Rally were about to win 😄

Two elections in a week where everyone else has come together to beat the far right!

Never thought I'd say this but, good for you France!

This thread will be moved or closed then- I hadn't noticed yours.

Yes, it has been a fine few days!

[Setton]

1 minute ago, pellinore said:

This thread will be moved or closed then- I hadn't noticed yours.

No, no just a post in an unrelated thread in response to Cookie.

This is the French election thread.

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Yes, it has been a fine few days!

Now if we can just see Trump lose for the hat trick!

[L.A.T.1961]

The French have avoided one 'Far' party to get another or block of parties.

With no overall majority and little chance of agreeing policy there could be another election later this year? 

[Setton]

38 minutes ago, L.A.T.1961 said:

The French have avoided one 'Far' party to get another or block of parties.

No, they avoided a far right party and elected a left wing one. Not far left, left.

And given left and centre coalitions pulled candidates to help the other win to keep the far right out, I imagine they'll find some compromise to avoid another election.

[pellinore]

36 minutes ago, L.A.T.1961 said:

The French have avoided one 'Far' party to get another or block of parties.

With no overall majority and little chance of agreeing policy there could be another election later this year? 

What makes me chuckle is the Right have repeatedly said (in the UK more than most places) that once we have had a democratic vote and have heard the 'Will of the People', that's the matter settled- it would be ridiculous to keep having further elections in case people have changed their minds.

So that's it then, as far as the Right are concerned - they have to accept the moderates won, they lost, and they have to get over it.

[Duke Wellington]

I wonder if it was all the rioting going on there.

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[Setton]

3 minutes ago, Duke Wellington said:

I wonder if it was all the rioting going on there.

Nope, just good co-ordination by moderate people to keep the far right out of government.

Left and centre pulled their candidates strategically to avoid splitting the vote.

Much like our election was a win for "not the Tories" more than any one party, this was a win for "not National Rally".

You lose Cookie.

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[Duke Wellington]

17 minutes ago, Setton said:

Nope, just good co-ordination by moderate people to keep the far right out of government.

Left and centre pulled their candidates strategically to avoid splitting the vote.

Much like our election was a win for "not the Tories" more than any one party, this was a win for "not National Rally".

You lose Cookie.

I don`t loose, I`m not French.

I also don`t know much about how they are perceived in France, and what issues prevented people electing them.

[Duke Wellington]

Figured it out, the whole left have coalitioned together and engaged in tactical voting.

[acidhead]

26 minutes ago, Duke Wellington said:

I wonder if it was all the rioting going on there.

Well, one thing is for sure. It definitely prevented rioting. The rival political party's banded together to appease the rioters.....

..... for now. 

[Setton]

14 minutes ago, Duke Wellington said:

I don`t loose, I`m not French.

I also don`t know much about how they are perceived in France, and what issues prevented people electing them.

You lost on Thursday. A couple of hours ago you were crowing about how Le Pen was about to win. Another loss.

And most importantly, that's another loss for Putin. Which makes it a loss for you 🙂

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[Setton]

3 minutes ago, Duke Wellington said:

Figured it out, the whole left have coalitioned together and engaged in tactical voting.

Left and centre. Literally everyone who doesn't want a far right government.

Gives you hope for the future eh?

Good job figuring it out though. Such a smart Cookie. I literally explained it for you in the post you quoted.

[Setton]

1 hour ago, L.A.T.1961 said:

With no overall majority and little chance of agreeing policy there could be another election later this year? 

Under French law, they can't call another election this year. 

[Duke Wellington]

20 minutes ago, Setton said:

You lost on Thursday. A couple of hours ago you were crowing about how Le Pen was about to win. Another loss.

And most importantly, that's another loss for Putin. Which makes it a loss for you 🙂

We`ll see, Trump to go yet lol.

Farage is not far-right and didn`t loose, its the start of the Reform journey.

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[Setton]

1 minute ago, Duke Wellington said:

We`ll see, Trump to go yet lol.

2 out of 3 is still pretty good. At least we can count on friends in Europe if the US abandons its responsibilities. 

I'm sure if worse comes to worst in Europe they'll show up, even if a few years late as usual.

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Farage is not far-right and didn`t loose, its the start of the Reform journey.

Yeah you keep telling yourself that. 

He can have his victory celebration with all his MPs in a Fiat 500.

[Duke Wellington]

9 minutes ago, Setton said:

2 out of 3 is still pretty good. At least we can count on friends in Europe if the US abandons its responsibilities. 

I'm sure if worse comes to worst in Europe they'll show up, even if a few years late as usual.

Yeah you keep telling yourself that. 

He can have his victory celebration with all his MPs in a Fiat 500.

Did you just admit you know Trump is going to win?

Farage isn`t far right, he`s a Tory that wanted the previous government to stand up and take more of a lead exploiting our post-Brexit environment, and wants immigration scaled back to exceptions only. With Brexit and a large national debt, the only thing any government can do is tweak the rules and wait. We don`t have the money for setting up whole industries which could maintain a competitive advantage now we are out of the EU.

Immigration has gone to far, and most of them are not to fill skill gaps. Its the mass migration of low skilled workers. 

The Farage journey begins, to criticise it he should have focused straight down the centre on economics instead of stating his conservative economic values. If he had, he would have split the Labour party too. All fun and games I guess.

Le Penn not getting in means yet more boats arriving on our shores. Think about her whatever you like, but lets be selfish and focus on its impact on the UK. More boats are coming! Blair is calling for ID cards, but they are already in existence in many EU countries and has done nothing to curb illegal immigration. Starmer has told him no, but he has also refused to leave the ECHR meaning he will lack the legal ability to deport anyone. Not good, more mass immigration coming.

Brexit has also not been a failure, its just it hasn`t led us to pavements of gold yet.

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[Setton]

9 minutes ago, Duke Wellington said:

Did you just admit you know Trump is going to win?

You see that word "if"? It's quite an important one.

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Farage isn`t far right, he`s a Tory that wanted the previous government to stand up and take more of a lead exploiting our post-Brexit environment, and wants immigration scaled back to exceptions only. With Brexit and a large national debt, the only thing any government can do is tweak the rules and wait. We don`t have the money for setting up whole industries which could maintain a competitive advantage now we are out of the EU.

Immigration has gone to far, and most of them are not to fill skill gaps. Its the mass migration of low skilled workers. 

The Farage journey begins, to criticise it he should have focused straight down the centre on economics instead of stating his conservative economic values. If he had, he would have split the Labour party too. All fun and games I guess.

Yeah, yeah, he's not far right and I'm a communist, heard it all before 🙄

Based on the extra special Cookie political spectrum, Hitler's probably just a smidge to the right of centre eh?

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Le Penn not getting in means yet more boats arriving on our shores. Think about her whatever you like, but lets be selfish and focus on its impact on the UK. More boats are coming!

Ah ah ah. Naughty Cookie. Post 36 in this thread, you said:

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Le Penn is about to get elected and has vowed to deport all non-native French from France. That means we will have several million immigrants knocking on our door.

Now she's lost, you're claiming that means more boats.

Poor Cookie. This double defeat has you all over the place doesn't it?

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Blair is calling for ID cards, but they are already in existence in many EU countries and has done nothing to curb illegal immigration. Starmer has told him no, but he has also refused to leave the ECHR meaning he will lack the legal ability to deport anyone. Not good, more mass immigration coming.

Same question that seems to have @OpenMindedSceptic running for the hills every time I ask:

Do you honestly think that if we set the equivalent of MI5 the task of stopping the smuggling gangs, they wouldn't succeed?

There's a reason we've gone 17 years without a co-ordinated terrorist attack in the UK. And it's not because we flew a tiny proportion of extremists to Rwanda.

[Destination Unknown]

3 hours ago, pellinore said:

It looks like common sense is going to prevail in Europe- first the UK, now France, has shown the door to the Populists. The US next, hopefully.

France’s far-right National Rally has failed to become the largest party at parliamentary elections, according to shock exit poll results, which forecast the left-wing New Popular Front coalition is in pole position.

In results which would deliver a bitter blow to Marine Le Pen, an exit poll by Ipsos suggested the NFP coalition will win between 172 and 192 seats, with the Emmanuel Macron-backing Ensemble group taking second place and Ms Le Pen’s party in third place.

Mr Macron took even his own allies by surprise in calling the snap election last month, after the anti-immigration National Rally made huge gains in European elections.

French election – live: Far-right National Rally beaten by coalition with hung parliament, says exit poll | The Independent

Far-left celebrates election victory by rioting in the streets of Paris, but apparently it's the so-called "far-right" that's the problem. 

 

 

Edited July 7 by Destination Unknown

[Destination Unknown]

1 hour ago, Setton said:

Nope, just good co-ordination by moderate people to keep the far right out of government.

Left and centre pulled their candidates strategically to avoid splitting the vote.

Much like our election was a win for "not the Tories" more than any one party, this was a win for "not National Rally".

You lose Cookie.

Yeah, you just carry on telling yourself that if you like. 🤦

 

Edited July 7 by Destination Unknown

[Destination Unknown]

1 hour ago, acidhead said:

Well, one thing is for sure. It definitely prevented rioting. The rival political party's banded together to appease the rioters.....

..... for now. 

Well that didn't last long.

 

[acidhead]

14 minutes ago, Destination Unknown said:

Well that didn't last long.

 

Right on que

[Setton]

29 minutes ago, Destination Unknown said:

Yeah, you just carry on telling yourself that if you like. 🤦

 

Uhuh.

A Twitter post by a right wing extremist with no indication just who is rioting or when the video is from.

Sadly that actually is up to your usual standards.

[acidhead]

2 minutes ago, Setton said:

Uhuh.

A Twitter post by a right wing extremist with no indication just who is rioting or when the video is from.

Sadly that actually is up to your usual standards.

There are a lot of videos on X currently showing the same.