French Elections exit polls - France rejects Populism

[Destination Unknown]

1 minute ago, Setton said:

Uhuh.

A Twitter post by a right wing extremist with no indication just who is rioting or when the video is from.

Sadly that actually is up to your usual standards.

Oh for crying out loud Setton don't be so ridiculous. Type Paris riots into twitter and you'll find more than just one. Stop being so bloody pathetic.

 

 

 

 

[+and-then]

1 hour ago, Duke Wellington said:

We`ll see, Trump to go yet lol.

Farage is not far-right and didn`t loose, its the start of the Reform journey.

I no longer worry too much about those on the Left crowing about their "victories".  The glide path of their ideology will wreak devastation on their countries and they will not escape it any more than the rest of the population.  They want open borders and no rules to constrict their ideologies at all.  So be it.  It will be rather a time for Schadenfreude once their system is firmly established and they begin to blame "the other" for their pains and woes.  It won't matter in the least to the reality they'll be compelled to face.

[acidhead]

2 minutes ago, and-then said:

I no longer worry too much about those on the Left crowing about their "victories".  The glide path of their ideology will wreak devastation on their countries and they will not escape it any more than the rest of the population.  They want open borders and no rules to constrict their ideologies at all.  So be it.  It will be rather a time for Schadenfreude once their system is firmly established and they begin to blame "the other" for their pains and woes.  It won't matter in the least to the reality they'll be compelled to face.

Their socalled "progressive policies" create an albatross. They become, along with everybody else victims of their own self-righteous virtue signaling. They somehow feel creating some sort of utopian fantasy actually works when real world reality has always proven otherwise. No matter what you try to implement the individual will naturally go full on tribal once faced with adversity. 

[+and-then]

8 minutes ago, Destination Unknown said:

Oh for crying out loud Setton don't be so ridiculous. Type Paris riots into twitter and you'll find more than just one. Stop being so bloody pathetic.

It's a knee-jerk tribalist reaction.  He and those like him will be doing this until they are consumed in the fires they're so far able to ignore.  I have no doubt that day will come.  I'm glad I live in a "backward", "*******" State that the progressives have little power in.  

[+and-then]

Just now, and-then said:

It's a knee-jerk tribalist reaction.  He and those like him will be doing this until they are consumed in the fires they're so far able to ignore.  I have no doubt that day will come.  I'm glad I live in a "backward", "*******" State that the progressives have little power in.  

Now isn't that funny.  I didn't know  r e d n e c k was considered that much of an insult.

[acidhead]

1 minute ago, and-then said:

Now isn't that funny.  I didn't know  r e d n e c k was considered that much of an insult.

These days take it as a compliment! 

🤣

[acidhead]

McDonald's has fallen in the City of Love.

 

[Duke Wellington]

1 hour ago, and-then said:

I no longer worry too much about those on the Left crowing about their "victories".  The glide path of their ideology will wreak devastation on their countries and they will not escape it any more than the rest of the population.  They want open borders and no rules to constrict their ideologies at all.  So be it.  It will be rather a time for Schadenfreude once their system is firmly established and they begin to blame "the other" for their pains and woes.  It won't matter in the least to the reality they'll be compelled to face.

Socialists voting for mass immigration amuse me.

Because they are voting for wage suppression, and hence a major reason why they have little money.

Edited July 8 by Duke Wellington

[+and-then]

More fallout from the big "win" in France - 

Lovely, innit?

[pellinore]

This looks pretty peaceful. But there is no doubt Populism has damaged French democracy, with extremists from both sides feeling angry and emboldened. Which is why Farage is so dangerous- he is an exploiter of fruit cases and loons as Cameron suggested, but he has already massively damaged the UK.

 

[Destination Unknown]

38 minutes ago, pellinore said:

Which is why Farage is so dangerous- he is an exploiter of fruit cases and loons as Cameron suggested, but he has already massively damaged the UK.

I think you secretly love him, and it is causing you distress. Here are some ways of dealing with the conflicting emotions you feel:

https://greatergood.berkeley.edu/article/item/what_to_do_when_you_hate_the_one_you_love

Edited July 8 by Destination Unknown

[pellinore]

7 minutes ago, Destination Unknown said:

I think you secretly love him, and it is causing you distress. Here are some ways of dealing with the conflicting emotions you feel:

https://greatergood.berkeley.edu/article/item/what_to_do_when_you_hate_the_one_you_love

Touche!

[Unusual Tournament]

7 hours ago, L.A.T.1961 said:

The French have avoided one 'Far' party to get another or block of parties.

With no overall majority and little chance of agreeing policy there could be another election later this year? 

What’s interesting is NF came first in every state bar Paris, won the popular vote and still came third. Screwy election system and the result not a true reflection of the will of the people. 

[Duke Wellington]

The ultimate outcome of mass immigration is an `international state`.

But, unfortunately, it will be anarchy as that lumps many ideologies and cultures together who are opposed to each other. I`m going to predict that our existing models of democracy (which is actually republicanism with an elected or inherited president) will fail. I think we are in its latter days and it will join Communist regimes like the USSR in the history books.

There is just no self preservation of the people or the state. What disgusts me is the millions of Brits who have died fighting in wars, for us, the future generations, to have a home, be free, and be independent. Yet modern governments have no loyalty to their own kind, past or present. Thank you for giving your life sonny, now we`ll ignore what you fought for and set about building a misguided international utopia.

Everywhere I look I see a race to the bottom underway. Its decay and deterioration. Its weakness and having no backbone. And the line used to silence all opposition is `you`re a Nazi`. Its like watching the titanic sail towards the iceberg in slow motion.

[Setton]

7 hours ago, acidhead said:

There are a lot of videos on X currently showing the same. 

 

 

7 hours ago, Destination Unknown said:

Oh for crying out loud Setton don't be so ridiculous. Type Paris riots into twitter and you'll find more than just one. Stop being so bloody pathetic.

 

Oh I don't doubt Twitter is full of similar.

What you still haven't done is provide any indication those videos are from last night, or that they show "the left" rioting, as opposed to the losers on the right.

If you engaged a little critical thinking, you might also wonder why those videos are in total darkness before it's fully dark in France.

@Destination Unknown You in particular are in no position to comment given your total inability to answer posts in other threads.

The right just can't accept defeat can it?

[acidhead]

2 minutes ago, Setton said:

If you engaged a little critical thinking, you might also wonder why those videos are in total darkness before it's fully dark in France.

@Destination Unknown 

I did take it into consideration it was night in France when I was looking at the 'latest' videos from France earlier. When I posted the video earlier it was after midnight in France. I always consider timezones when viewing current/live video from around the world. The time stamps on the videos adjusted for the period where I'm viewing them were all consistent that it was dark in France. 

(Note: time stamps on X videos will show the current time zone from where you are on Earth) 

[Setton]

5 minutes ago, acidhead said:

I did take it into consideration it was night in France when I was looking at the 'latest' videos from France earlier. When I posted the video earlier it was after midnight in France. I always consider timezones when viewing current/live video from around the world. The time stamps on the videos adjusted for the period where I'm viewing them were all consistent that it was dark in France. 

(Note: time stamps on X videos will show the current time zone from where you are on Earth) 

Well that's just...a very good point 😄 On the subject of timezones, it's still early here!

[Eldorado]

Celebrations grew into clashes with police across Paris after Marine Le Pen’s quest to bring the far right to power was blocked in the French election.

Supporters of the leftist party, in the majority, loudly welcomed the parliamentary results. But soon celebrations turned into riots in the capital.

Footage showed fireworks being thrown at police, who responded with tear gas.

The square suddenly became crowded, with people running in all directions to escape the gas.

UK Metro

Riots break out in Paris after election results released

ABC (Australia) video

French election results trigger riots

Turmoil erupted after the left-wing New Popular Front coalition emerged victorious.

Riots, clashes, and looting broke out across France as left-wing supporters flooded the streets to celebrate the New Popular Front coalition's victory over the right-wing National Rally and President Emmanuel Macron's centrists on Sunday.

Big News Network

[itsnotoutthere]

 

[OpenMindedSceptic]

17 hours ago, Setton said:

You see that word "if"? It's quite an important one.

Yeah, yeah, he's not far right and I'm a communist, heard it all before 🙄

Based on the extra special Cookie political spectrum, Hitler's probably just a smidge to the right of centre eh?

Ah ah ah. Naughty Cookie. Post 36 in this thread, you said:

Now she's lost, you're claiming that means more boats.

Poor Cookie. This double defeat has you all over the place doesn't it?

Same question that seems to have @OpenMindedSceptic running for the hills every time I ask:

Do you honestly think that if we set the equivalent of MI5 the task of stopping the smuggling gangs, they wouldn't succeed?

There's a reason we've gone 17 years without a co-ordinated terrorist attack in the UK. And it's not because we flew a tiny proportion of extremists to Rwanda.

No, the lack of terrorist action on British soil is due to an incident on may 5th 1980. It sent a v clear message round the world. 

Now,, what question have I ran away from? I really don't follow what you write most of the time as it is nonsense, so running away isn't necessary on my part.

MI6 for foreign stuff, Box for home soil. 

[Setton]

50 minutes ago, OpenMindedSceptic said:

No, the lack of terrorist action on British soil is due to an incident on may 5th 1980. It sent a v clear message round the world. 

7/7 genius.

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Now,, what question have I ran away from? I really don't follow what you write most of the time as it is nonsense, so running away isn't necessary on my part.

Do you think sending the equivalent of MI5 after these gangs wouldn't work?

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MI6 for foreign stuff, Box for home soil. 

I've already explained why this is wrong.

[DarkHunter]

If anyone is interested the breakdown of the results are NFP left-wing alliance at 188 seats, Macron's coalition at 161 seats, and RN and allies at 142 seats.  The rest of the seats go to various minor political parties with a total of 577 seats in the French parliament.

Macron's coalition and the RN are both decently well known but what is less well known is the NFP.  The NFP, the New Popular Front, is a coalition of various left to far left wing French political parties the largest of which is the LFI, France Unbowed, a far left political party with Jean-Luc Melenchon leading it.  Jean-Luc Melenchon is a radical far left French politician who is a left wing populist.

Instead of electing a right wing populist government France has elected a left wing populist government.

Some of the things Jean-Luc Melenchon has done is being critical of the EU, he believes it has been corrupted by neoliberalism, opposes globalization, he believes it benefits the rich at the expense of the poor, and he wants France to leave NATO, he views France's NATO membership as an affront to France's sovereignty.  

Everyone cheaering the result cause it stopped Marine Le Pen might want to stop and actually look at who might be the next leader of France.

[pellinore]

43 minutes ago, DarkHunter said:

Everyone cheaering the result cause it stopped Marine Le Pen might want to stop and actually look at who might be the next leader of France.

I think you are right on both counts: everyone (well most of Europe) was happy the Far right was stopped. And now France has another problem.

We will all be happy again when the Far Left are stopped as well. But stopping the Right was a victory.  Though of course they are now claiming the election was "stolen".

There is real anger on the far-right, whose supporters are drawn mainly from rural France and the urban poor. For the umpteenth time, as they will see it, they have been barred from power by the chicanery of the urban middle classes and the country’s elite. “Don’t let them steal your victory,” was the plea of National Rally’s leaders on the eve of the poll, but that is exactly how they will view what has happened.

The far right have been blocked from power in France – but the threat remains | The Independent (archive.ph)

Edited July 8 by pellinore

[acidhead]

28 minutes ago, pellinore said:

I think you are right on both counts: everyone (well most of Europe) was happy the Far right was stopped. And now France has another problem.

We will all be happy again when the Far Left are stopped as well. But stopping the Right was a victory.  Though of course they are now claiming the election was "stolen".

The Progressive Left creates their own problems. Their policies, while presented with good intentions, often checkmate themselves. It's interesting to witness. Amazing really. Like watching an endless documentary on the National Geographic channel in their natural habitat. 

🤣

[DarkHunter]

43 minutes ago, pellinore said:

I think you are right on both counts: everyone (well most of Europe) was happy the Far right was stopped. And now France has another problem.

We will all be happy again when the Far Left are stopped as well. But stopping the Right was a victory.  Though of course they are now claiming the election was "stolen".

There is real anger on the far-right, whose supporters are drawn mainly from rural France and the urban poor. For the umpteenth time, as they will see it, they have been barred from power by the chicanery of the urban middle classes and the country’s elite. “Don’t let them steal your victory,” was the plea of National Rally’s leaders on the eve of the poll, but that is exactly how they will view what has happened.

The far right have been blocked from power in France – but the threat remains | The Independent (archive.ph)

Nothing was achieved, a populist still won, the fact they are left wing instead of right wing effectively means nothing.  There is this bizarre fear over right wing populist when historically left wing populist have been just as bad if not worse then right wing populist.  In a general sense the far left have resulted in more death and suffering than the far right, to be fair the far left did have longer to commit all the atrocities.  

Populist, left or right, are going to keep winning elections as long as the issues that caused them are not dealt with and in a general sense the issue is the bureaucratic/technocratic class along with establishment politicians have effectively turned themselves into a new quasi-aristocracy who believe they know what is best and everyone else is too stupid to even know what the actual problem is let alone resolve the problem or what is best for them.  Until that issue is resolved then populist and increasingly extremist politicians will continue to get elected.