The Establishment Clause is The Big Problem

[Raptor Witness]

First Amendment and Religion 
 

The First Amendment has two provisions concerning religion: the Establishment Clause and the Free Exercise Clause. The Establishment clause prohibits the government from "establishing" a religion. Source

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I now believe, the underlying, core reason for the secrecy around UAP’s , is the establishment clause of the US Constitution.

Essentially, if the Executive Branch ever revealed everything it knows about their UAP findings, the Executive Branch could be forced to stop their revelations, by the judiciary, and possibly even be sued by the church, or any harmed citizen, for their revelations.

The state can’t even admit to why they cannot release their findings, because to do so, would also convey information suitable, for establishing a new religion.

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Now, the other, bigger problem … how to repay and obtain justice for the victims who have unwittingly stumbled into the state’s secret mess. These are people the state couldn’t easily murder, and/or coerce for finding out, or figuring out the truth about UAP’s.

It’s just a theory, but please tell me how and why I’m wrong.

Edited July 8 by Raptor Witness

[Alchopwn]

3 hours ago, Raptor Witness said:

possibly even be sued by the church

Sued by what church?  There is no state religion in the USA.  No Christian denomination has any more authority than Satanism, or any other religion, or any other form of Christianity.  So when you say "sued by the church", what do you even mean?  "The Church" generally means the Vatican, which is a separate sovereign state that has little power to sue the US government.

Edited July 8 by Alchopwn

[Alchopwn]

3 hours ago, Raptor Witness said:

I now believe, the underlying, core reason for the secrecy around UAP’s , is the establishment clause of the US Constitution.

Essentially, if the Executive Branch ever revealed everything it knows about their UAP findings, the Executive Branch could be forced to stop their revelations, by the judiciary, and possibly even be sued by the church, or any harmed citizen, for their revelations.

The state can’t even admit to why they cannot release their findings, because to do so, would also convey information suitable, for establishing a new religion.

So the crux of your argument is that UAPs belong to a single religion's mythology?  How so?  Which one?  Hinduism?  There are plenty of flying discs in Hinduism.  They're called Vimanas.

Edited July 8 by Alchopwn

[Essan]

5 hours ago, Raptor Witness said:

First Amendment and Religion 
 

The First Amendment has two provisions concerning religion: the Establishment Clause and the Free Exercise Clause. The Establishment clause prohibits the government from "establishing" a religion. Source

________
I now believe, the underlying, core reason for the secrecy around UAP’s , is the establishment clause of the US Constitution.

Essentially, if the Executive Branch ever revealed everything it knows about their UAP findings, the Executive Branch could be forced to stop their revelations, by the judiciary, and possibly even be sued by the church, or any harmed citizen, for their revelations.

The state can’t even admit to why they cannot release their findings, because to do so, would also convey information suitable, for establishing a new religion.

______

Now, the other, bigger problem … how to repay and obtain justice for the victims who have unwittingly stumbled into the state’s secret mess. These are people the state couldn’t easily murder, and/or coerce for finding out, or figuring out the truth about UAP’s.

It’s just a theory, but please tell me how and why I’m wrong.

The US constitution only applies in the USA.    There are nearly 200 other countries that don't give two hoots about it.

[Grim Reaper 6]

6 hours ago, Raptor Witness said:

First Amendment and Religion 
 

The First Amendment has two provisions concerning religion: the Establishment Clause and the Free Exercise Clause. The Establishment clause prohibits the government from "establishing" a religion. Source

________
I now believe, the underlying, core reason for the secrecy around UAP’s , is the establishment clause of the US Constitution.

Essentially, if the Executive Branch ever revealed everything it knows about their UAP findings, the Executive Branch could be forced to stop their revelations, by the judiciary, and possibly even be sued by the church, or any harmed citizen, for their revelations.

The state can’t even admit to why they cannot release their findings, because to do so, would also convey information suitable, for establishing a new religion.

______

Now, the other, bigger problem … how to repay and obtain justice for the victims who have unwittingly stumbled into the state’s secret mess. These are people the state couldn’t easily murder, and/or coerce for finding out, or figuring out the truth about UAP’s.

It’s just a theory, but please tell me how and why I’m wrong.

The Establishment Clause has nothing to do with UAPs, I have no idea what you’re talking about my friend!

Edited July 8 by Grim Reaper 6

[Raptor Witness]

2 hours ago, Essan said:

The US constitution only applies in the USA.    There are nearly 200 other countries that don't give two hoots about it.

Agreed, but clearly I’m arguing for the U.S. case, here..

 

[Raptor Witness]

If I don’t respond to you, here, especially in this thread; the chances are, you’re simply blocked, and have been, for a considerable length of time.

 

[Raptor Witness]

14 hours ago, Raptor Witness said:

These are people the state couldn’t easily murder, and/or coerce for finding out, or figuring out the truth about UAP’s.

It’s just a theory, but please tell me how and why I’m wrong.

I obviously need to correct my statement in the OP, to say, “how do we compensate all people, who were harmed by the state, alive or dead, and successfully coerced, or not?” My apologies … 

The obvious answer, is, if the state’s evidence of UAP’s is withheld from The People, and their elected representatives, there’s little chance of recovery from the state, by private citizens.

However, if it’s true, that private enterprise is involved in hiding, and maintaining the state’s acquired evidence, I don’t see how, for example; a Boeing or any of the other aerospace entities or defense contractors, could be so easily protected from a lawsuit. They would be vulnerable, unless they were somehow granted immunity from the law.

This sort of secrecy and hidden protection, or what I would argue is unqualified immunity, opens up a whole Pandora’s box of evil intent and actions, in and of itself.

For example, let’s say that Boeing, who has recently been in the news for all sorts of other bad acts, has or BELIEVES it has, secret immunity from REAL prosecution for anything it does. This would essentially make a corporation, somewhat of a paid informant. This type of malfunction of government, is as dangerous as it gets for a republic, and might help explain why the Iraq war was a concocted act of fiction. The defense contractors were likely going belly up, as I vaguely recall, and needed a "good war" to help prop them up.

I used to simply believe, as my grandfather did, that the state would concoct a "good war," if they needed to, to maintain a battled hardened military. He was an officer in the army, and I respected his observation. He saw no need to lie about such things, and while it left a bad taste in my mouth, it made sense.

However, this is more evil, in my view, because average Americans are the potential targets. We cannot have real freedom under these circumstances. The harm the state is causing is beyond my comprehension. The only oversight, would likely have to come from a power above the source of the UAP evidence.

In light of my new thinking, I'm now more inclined to believe that the evidence we have, is likely an intended corruption of our government, by an evil that remains largely out of sight.

 

Edited July 8 by Raptor Witness

[Raptor Witness]

I’m surprised that there are not more “critical thinkers,” commenting here, on my theory about why the US government cannot reveal what they know about ET’s. That is, put very simply, to even acknowledge the existence of a Higher Power, would be the basis for the establishment of a new religion, which is expressly forbidden, by our constitutional framers.

Although, we hear that many other nations have reportedly acquired data, and possibly even ET craft; the United States, reportedly has purchased most of the ET material that has fallen to Earth in the Third World.

My theory would also help explain why every presidential candidate, going back to Jimmy Carter, who has promised to do so, has reneged on their respective promise to “come clean,” upon being elected.

Then there is that JFK memo, which was reportedly written, roughly two weeks before he was assassinated.

[Essan]

The reality is that the US Govt can't reveal what it knows about UFOs because if it admitted they were secret US military tests, then their cover story of pretending secret US military tests were UFOs would be blown  

But if you think it has something to with some obscure section of the US constitution - and a very highly speculative imagination of what might happen if the existence of aliens was confirmed (something science is constantly trying to do) - then you really don't know humans at all

[Hazzard]

40 minutes ago, Essan said:

The reality is that the US Govt can't reveal what it knows about UFOs because if it admitted they were secret US military tests, then their cover story of pretending secret US military tests were UFOs would be blown  

True.

 

The U.S. Government UFO Cover-Up Is Real—But It’s Not What You Think.

 

There are some basic, obvious reasons why the government is withholding knowledge about what are now called “unidentified anomalous phenomena,” or UAPs. Some public UAP reports are likely the government’s secret projects, technologies, or operations. According to the CIA, test and development flights of the U-2 and the Oxcart spy planes “accounted for more than one-half of all UFO reports during the late 1950s.” The military has more secret test flights, development projects, and special craft than most people realize.

Other reported UFO sightings are advanced technologies from foreign adversaries—such as Russia, China, and Iran—being tested against U.S. defenses. The government doesn’t want to give away what’s been detected and what hasn’t. Rare announcements from officials confirm this, such as when the Pentagon said at a congressional hearing in 2022 that what first appeared to be out-of-this-world, glowing, triangle-shaped crafts were actually just terrestrial drones photographed through night-vision lenses. Plenty of strange incidents, like a mysterious swarm of objects that harassed Navy ships off the coast of California in 2019, indicate that there’s a lot more to say about foreign programs being tested against U.S. defenses.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/11/us-government-ufo-uap-alien-cover-up/676032/

 

They have been using the believers and UFOlogy in this sinister way for decades... Shame on them all.

Edited August 13 by Hazzard

[Hazzard]

50 minutes ago, Raptor Witness said:

I’m surprised that there are not more “critical thinkers,” commenting here,

Maybe you blocked them all, like you said earlier...

 

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If I don’t respond to you, here, especially in this thread; the chances are, you’re simply blocked, and have been, for a considerable length of time.

 

[Raptor Witness]

1 hour ago, Hazzard said:

Maybe you blocked them all, like you said earlier...

 

 

I never block “critical thinkers,” here. I have blocked a few narcissists when necessary, to help keep the peace. If those two overlap, on occasion, I still feel better to have the peace of simple argument, rather than drama without argument.

Your point is taken…

[beyondism]

Your wrong because the US government doesn't know anything about UAP.

The whole thing is a media circus 

Edited August 14 by beyondism

[beyondism]

The UK government released all its files about UAP and came to the conclusion it was basically nothing.

[Hazzard]

2 minutes ago, beyondism said:

The UK government released all its files about UAP and came to the conclusion it was basically nothing.

Same with the US... nothing suggesting it to be extraterrestrial. 

[Trelane]

On 7/8/2024 at 7:21 AM, Grim Reaper 6 said:

The Establishment Clause has nothing to do with UAPs, I have no idea what you’re talking about my friend!

To be fair, he generally doesn't either.😉

[Grim Reaper 6]

7 hours ago, Trelane said:

To be fair, he generally doesn't either.😉

I certainly agree my friend.

[Raptor Witness]

On 8/13/2024 at 11:31 AM, Essan said:

…. some obscure section of the US constitution

You don’t seem to realize that I could file my own lawsuit, if your “obscure” section of the Constitution was violated. 

There’s nothing “obscure” about protecting or promoting the interests of a power, reportedly, “higher” than our species.

If you pay careful attention, the folks who have been outing the evidence, are coincidentally, already out of military service.

I’m not asking for a Nobel prize here, just some common sense. 

[Raptor Witness]

I believe it would take a Constitutional Amendment for any current U.S. federal government employee to reveal evidence of a species, higher than man. 

For the record, I give credit to the Paraclete, for helping me understand the underlying problem with this issue. For those who don’t know who the Paraclete is; He’s the best lawyer in the universe, and He’s free for those who qualify for His help. I could not have understood this concept, without His help.

Edited August 15 by Raptor Witness

[ChrLzs]

On 7/9/2024 at 12:13 AM, Raptor Witness said:

If I don’t respond to you, here, especially in this thread; the chances are, you’re simply blocked, and have been, for a considerable length of time.

 

Yes, I think that's a good move.  Consider yourself blocked.

[Raptor Witness]

6 hours ago, ChrLzs said:

Yes, I think that's a good move.  Consider yourself blocked.

Considering you live in Australia, I understand.

[Trelane]

I'm more concerned about the Santa Claus really. You know, the ***hats that are ringing bells aggressively outside stores during the holidays. 

[Raptor Witness]

On 8/16/2024 at 2:46 PM, Trelane said:

I'm more concerned about the Santa Claus really. You know, the ***hats that are ringing bells aggressively outside stores during the holidays. 

The reason I've never blocked you here, is because you squeal "uncle," at such a high frequency, it excites my amygdala down to your medulla oblongotcha.

Edited August 18 by Raptor Witness