UFO Documentary - I Know What I Saw

[Essan]

13 hours ago, MrAnderson said:

We can't explain some UFO sightings in terms of their origin, technology, and manufacturers (whoever they are).

Corrected for you.

You cannot know that all UFOs are physical objects from another planet unless you have examined every single UFO        So far, we have no evidence at all that any UFO is a physical object from another planet, because, if there is any physical, material evidence, the USAF has hidden it away and refuses to let any experts examine it.   Even then, many other UFOs could be all manner of things.   Including - if you believe in them - ghosts.   

[MrAnderson]

18 minutes ago, Essan said:

Corrected for you.

You cannot know that all UFOs are physical objects from another planet unless you have examined every single UFO        So far, we have no evidence at all that any UFO is a physical object from another planet, because, if there is any physical, material evidence, the USAF has hidden it away and refuses to let any experts examine it.   Even then, many other UFOs could be all manner of things.   Including - if you believe in them - ghosts.   

We know that many of these UFOs apart from being material objects and have certain geometrical shapes such as disks, triangles and cylinders, they also have some unusual and often extraordinary properties and characteristics. There are not meteors, ball lightning, Hassdalel lights, swamp gas or whatever else is thrown as a possible explanation.

The US Government and Armed Forces have already accepted and admitted these objects exist and often have some unusual characteristics. It is clear if you have followed the developments in the last few years. US pilots don't play cat and mouse with meteors, stars, planets, or swamp gas.

[Trelane]

5 hours ago, Essan said:

Corrected for you.

You cannot know that all UFOs are physical objects from another planet unless you have examined every single UFO        So far, we have no evidence at all that any UFO is a physical object from another planet, because, if there is any physical, material evidence, the USAF has hidden it away and refuses to let any experts examine it.   Even then, many other UFOs could be all manner of things.   Including - if you believe in them - ghosts.   

Shhhh, you'll give Papa ideas.

[Trelane]

5 hours ago, MrAnderson said:

We know that many of these UFOs apart from being material objects and have certain geometrical shapes such as disks, triangles and cylinders, they also have some unusual and often extraordinary properties and characteristics. There are not meteors, ball lightning, Hassdalel lights, swamp gas or whatever else is thrown as a possible explanation.

The US Government and Armed Forces have already accepted and admitted these objects exist and often have some unusual characteristics. It is clear if you have followed the developments in the last few years. US pilots don't play cat and mouse with meteors, stars, planets, or swamp gas.

They don't? That's funny...

Not a US pilot, buy is still noteworthy

"Sleepy Pilot Nosedives After Mistaking Venus For Another Plane"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxauAGOJvS8

WHOOOOPSIES!!!!!!

The last person to leave, please turn out the lights. Zetorian is the type of party guest that doesn't get the hint that the party is over.

Edited August 11 by Trelane

[MrAnderson]

40 minutes ago, Trelane said:

They don't? That's funny...

Not a US pilot, buy is still noteworthy

"Sleepy Pilot Nosedives After Mistaking Venus For Another Plane"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxauAGOJvS8

WHOOOOPSIES!!!!!!

The last person to leave, please turn out the lights. Zetorian is the type of party guest that doesn't get the hint that the party is over.

I am impressed you found an example of misidentification which you think you can use to dismiss every sighting and every case. That's great logic.

I will say it again that the phenomenon is real and serious and that pilots, radar operators, and ground observers are seeing objects that are not meteors, planets, stars, swamp gas or Hassdalen lights.

Misidentifications can happen sometimes but that not what we are talking about.

Please don't call me with other names and the party is not over.

I admire your logic in generalising a  case of misidentification to dismiss the UFO phenomenon and all sightings by all pilots. It's just great logic.

The US Government and Armed Forces have already accepted and admitted these objects exist and often have some unusual characteristics and unusual properties. These are material objects of unknown origin under intelligent control.

Edited August 11 by MrAnderson

[Essan]

2 hours ago, MrAnderson said:

I am impressed you found an example of misidentification which you think you can use to dismiss every sighting and every case.

Er, that's not what he said.  Another classic ad hom fail for you.

[MrAnderson]

On 8/11/2024 at 4:44 PM, Essan said:

Er, that's not what he said.  Another classic ad hom fail for you.

That's the aim behind this kind of posting. Why post a case of misidentification then when most of the UFO cases are not misidentifications or anything else related to natural phenomena.

The failure is on those who try to convince the rest of the posters here that the UFO phenomenon is insignificant and mostly a figment of the imagination of the human brain.

[Hazzard]

13 hours ago, MrAnderson said:

That's the aim behind this kind of posting. Why post a case of misidentification then when most of the UFO cases are not misidentifications or anything else related to natural phenomena.

The aim is to show that people can, and do, misidentify stuff in the air all the time... how can this be a surprise to you??  As a pilot we saw things flying around all the time that we couldnt identify... ie UFOs.

 

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The failure is on those who try to convince the rest of the posters here that the UFO phenomenon is insignificant and mostly a figment of the imagination of the human brain.

Jesus F Christ! 😄 Now you are just straight up lying.

[Essan]

13 hours ago, MrAnderson said:

That's the aim behind this kind of posting. Why post a case of misidentification then when most of the UFO cases are not misidentifications or anything else related to natural phenomena.

Because most UFO sightings are misidentifications and/or related to natural phenomena
 

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The failure is on those who try to convince the rest of the posters here that the UFO phenomenon is insignificant and mostly a figment of the imagination of the human brain.

No, the failure is on you - using ad homs (such as this one)  because you have no other argument to make.

[MrAnderson]

2 hours ago, Essan said:

Because most UFO sightings are misidentifications and/or related to natural phenomena
 

No, the failure is on you - using ad homs (such as this one)  because you have no other argument to make.

No the failure is in those who try to convince us this phenomenon is just misidentifications and natural phenomena when in reality we know it's not. That's why the US Government and Armed Forces have accepted that the phenomenon is real and unexplained.

[MrAnderson]

2 hours ago, Hazzard said:

The aim is to show that people can, and do, misidentify stuff in the air all the time... how can this be a surprise to you??  As a pilot we saw things flying around all the time that we couldnt identify... ie UFOs.

 

Jesus F Christ! 😄 Now you are just straight up lying.

By posting a case of misidentification all you have is a case of misidentification and nothing more. I can give you more if you wish. Take a dozen of them or two dozens of them. You are still left with the majority of them that are not misidentifications or natural phenomena. If that was the case then our pilots wouldn't play cat and mouse games with them and our radars and observers wouldn't be able to see them and record them.

[Hazzard]

44 minutes ago, MrAnderson said:

 You are still left with the majority of them that are not misidentifications or natural phenomena. If that was the case then our pilots wouldn't play cat and mouse games with them and our radars and observers wouldn't be able to see them and record them.

So what is that, like 5% (or less) of all UFO sightings.  

You have been listening to much to the Birdy!

He loves to exaggerate these encounters, mixing cases and jumping around all over the place and time and between reported sightings. 

[MrAnderson]

2 hours ago, Hazzard said:

So what is that, like 5% (or less) of all UFO sightings.  

You have been listening to much to the Birdy!

He loves to exaggerate these encounters, mixing cases and jumping around all over the place and time and between reported sightings. 

No you are mistaken because you group together cases that you shouldn't group. Here we are not interested in natural phenomena or misidentifications. The kind of manufactured explanations used such as Hassdalen lights, ball lightings, meteors, can't explain anything.

Anyone can post a misidentification case and so what? The subject is very serious and if it was misidentifications and natural phenomena the response by the governments would have been very different.

[Hazzard]

22 minutes ago, MrAnderson said:

The subject is very serious and if it was misidentifications and natural phenomena the response by the governments would have been very different.

Are you sure about that??

 

The U.S. Government UFO Cover-Up Is Real—But It’s Not What You Think.

 

There are some basic, obvious reasons why the government is withholding knowledge about what are now called “unidentified anomalous phenomena,” or UAPs. Some public UAP reports are likely the government’s secret projects, technologies, or operations. According to the CIA, test and development flights of the U-2 and the Oxcart spy planes “accounted for more than one-half of all UFO reports during the late 1950s.” The military has more secret test flights, development projects, and special craft than most people realize.

Other reported UFO sightings are advanced technologies from foreign adversaries—such as Russia, China, and Iran—being tested against U.S. defenses. The government doesn’t want to give away what’s been detected and what hasn’t. Rare announcements from officials confirm this, such as when the Pentagon said at a congressional hearing in 2022 that what first appeared to be out-of-this-world, glowing, triangle-shaped crafts were actually just terrestrial drones photographed through night-vision lenses. Plenty of strange incidents, like a mysterious swarm of objects that harassed Navy ships off the coast of California in 2019, indicate that there’s a lot more to say about foreign programs being tested against U.S. defenses.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/11/us-government-ufo-uap-alien-cover-up/676032/

 

They have been using the believers and UFOlogy in this sinister way for decades.

[MrAnderson]

1 minute ago, Hazzard said:

Are you sure about that??

 

The U.S. Government UFO Cover-Up Is Real—But It’s Not What You Think.

 

There are some basic, obvious reasons why the government is withholding knowledge about what are now called “unidentified anomalous phenomena,” or UAPs. Some public UAP reports are likely the government’s secret projects, technologies, or operations. According to the CIA, test and development flights of the U-2 and the Oxcart spy planes “accounted for more than one-half of all UFO reports during the late 1950s.” The military has more secret test flights, development projects, and special craft than most people realize.

Other reported UFO sightings are advanced technologies from foreign adversaries—such as Russia, China, and Iran—being tested against U.S. defenses. The government doesn’t want to give away what’s been detected and what hasn’t. Rare announcements from officials confirm this, such as when the Pentagon said at a congressional hearing in 2022 that what first appeared to be out-of-this-world, glowing, triangle-shaped crafts were actually just terrestrial drones photographed through night-vision lenses. Plenty of strange incidents, like a mysterious swarm of objects that harassed Navy ships off the coast of California in 2019, indicate that there’s a lot more to say about foreign programs being tested against U.S. defenses.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/11/us-government-ufo-uap-alien-cover-up/676032/

 

They have been using the believers and UFOlogy in this sinister way for decades.

Part of the picture. Are you sure this is the whole picture? Black projects and foreign adversaries are not something new in the game.  But are we really talking about them or is it about something more mysterious of unknown origin.

[Hazzard]

2 minutes ago, MrAnderson said:

 Black projects and foreign adversaries are not something new in the game. 

But are we really talking about them or is it about something more mysterious of unknown origin.

Like what?... Like...

Robotic creatures from the hollow Earth? 

Next Gen Russian hologram?

Time travelers?

Little green men?

How can we tell the difference?

[Dejarma]

56 minutes ago, MrAnderson said:

Part of the picture. Are you sure this is the whole picture? Black projects and foreign adversaries are not something new in the game.  But are we really talking about them or is it about something more mysterious of unknown origin.

the likes of @Hazzard & myself are... you brought the words: 'mysterious of unknown origin' into the debate, not us 🤷‍♂️

[MrAnderson]

8 hours ago, Dejarma said:

the likes of @Hazzard & myself are... you brought the words: 'mysterious of unknown origin' into the debate, not us 🤷‍♂️

Yes because the site is dedicated to unexplained mysteries. UFO cases van be truly mysterious in regards to the origin and manufacturers of these objects.

9 hours ago, Hazzard said:

Like what?... Like...

Robotic creatures from the hollow Earth? 

Next Gen Russian hologram?

Time travelers?

Little green men?

How can we tell the difference?

Nobody has suggested Russian Holograms or Hollow Earth explanations. We are talking about a real mystery here recognised even by the US government and armed forces.

[Hazzard]

6 hours ago, MrAnderson said:

Yes because the site is dedicated to unexplained mysteries. UFO cases van be truly mysterious in regards to the origin and manufacturers of these objects.

Nobody has suggested Russian Holograms or Hollow Earth explanations. We are talking about a real mystery here recognised even by the US government and armed forces.

Im asking why some of the still unexplained UFOs cant be timetravelers or any of those i mentioned above... Why do they have to be Aliens from another planet??

How can you tell the difference?

Edited August 14 by Hazzard

[MrAnderson]

5 hours ago, Hazzard said:

Im asking why some of the still unexplained UFOs cant be timetravelers or any of those i mentioned above... Why do they have to be Aliens from another planet??

How can you tell the difference?

What kind of time travellers? Humans traveling back in time to their own past? As the entropy of the universe increases I find this not possible. I can't be 100% sure about timetravel in the past and how this will be achieved but it looks that it violates the second law of thermodynamics.