astrobeing Posted July 16 #151 Share Posted July 16 Just now, MrAnderson said: I didn't have an encounter with a balloon. I know what I saw. Balloons are not 300ft long and they don't travel that fast covering a large distance in the sky in no more than 3 seconds and then disappearing. How exactly did you determine it's exact size, Mr. Anderson? Pretend you're back in college and this is a test. Show your work. 1 minute ago, MrAnderson said: The movement was very similar to that of a jet fighter when moving horizontally at a very high speed. How interesting that it appeared to move just a jet fighter moving horizontally. Planes tend to look like cylinders from a distance when the wings are pointing towards you. Is this how you determined it was a mechanical object, Mr. Anderson? Because the object I described (which you refuse to talk about for some reason) moved even more erratic than jet fighter. Would that prove it was a "mechanical object"? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAnderson Posted July 16 Author #152 Share Posted July 16 (edited) 6 minutes ago, astrobeing said: How exactly did you determine it's exact size, Mr. Anderson? Pretend you're back in college and this is a test. Show your work. How interesting that it appeared to move just a jet fighter moving horizontally. Planes tend to look like cylinders from a distance when the wings are pointing towards you. Is this how you determined it was a mechanical object, Mr. Anderson? Because the object I described (which you refuse to talk about for some reason) moved even more erratic than jet fighter. Would that prove it was a "mechanical object"? No wings, no windows, no exhaust, no cockpit. It was relatively close and I am good with distances and I ve seen aircraft from very close distances. This wasn't a balloon as you said in your last post. Because balloons don't have these characteristics, they are not fast objects, they are not of this size and length. What I saw was much faster than anything else I have ever seen including jet fighters. Edited July 16 by MrAnderson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazzard Posted July 16 #153 Share Posted July 16 22 minutes ago, MrAnderson said: No wings, no windows, no exhaust, no cockpit. It was relatively close and I am good with distances and I ve seen aircraft from very close distances. This wasn't a balloon as you said in your last post. Because balloons don't have these characteristics, they are not fast objects, they are not of this size and length. What I saw was much faster than anything else I have ever seen including jet fighters. How can we be sure that you are not lying? How can you be sure that what you experienced wasnt all in your mind? The psychosocial hypothesis builds on the finding that most ufo reports have mundane explanations like celestial objects, airplane lights, balloons, and a host of other misperceived things seen in the sky which suggests the presence of an unusual emotional climate which distorts perceptions and the perceived significance and anomalousness of merely terrestrial stimuli. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychosocial_UFO_hypothesis https://www.webmd.com/schizophrenia/what-are-hallucinations 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAnderson Posted July 16 Author #154 Share Posted July 16 2 hours ago, Hazzard said: How can we be sure that you are not lying? How can you be sure that what you experienced wasnt all in your mind? The psychosocial hypothesis builds on the finding that most ufo reports have mundane explanations like celestial objects, airplane lights, balloons, and a host of other misperceived things seen in the sky which suggests the presence of an unusual emotional climate which distorts perceptions and the perceived significance and anomalousness of merely terrestrial stimuli. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychosocial_UFO_hypothesis https://www.webmd.com/schizophrenia/what-are-hallucinations Good question. The answer is you can never be sure about this. But I will refer to to the Navy and Air Force pilots who are not pranksters and while they are flying put their life in danger on a regular basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazzard Posted July 16 #155 Share Posted July 16 1 hour ago, MrAnderson said: Good question. The answer is you can never be sure about this. But I will refer to to the Navy and Air Force pilots who are not pranksters and while they are flying put their life in danger on a regular basis. I was talking about your alleged sighting. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAnderson Posted July 17 Author #156 Share Posted July 17 1 hour ago, Hazzard said: I was talking about your alleged sighting. I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astrobeing Posted July 17 #157 Share Posted July 17 On 7/16/2024 at 11:24 AM, MrAnderson said: No wings, no windows, no exhaust, no cockpit. It was relatively close and I am good with distances and I ve seen aircraft from very close distances. Interestingly just yesterday I saw a craft with no wings, no windows, no exhaust, and no cockpit. It was also "relatively" close to me. What was it, Mr. Anderson? I'm glad to hear that you're "good with distances" and have the ability to determine the exact size of something without knowing its distance or needing anything to compare it with. How large do you believe the Sun is, Mr. Anderson? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAnderson Posted July 17 Author #158 Share Posted July 17 26 minutes ago, astrobeing said: Interestingly just yesterday I saw a craft with no wings, no windows, no exhaust, and no cockpit. It was also "relatively" close to me. What was it, Mr. Anderson? I'm glad to hear that you're "good with distances" and have the ability to determine the exact size of something without knowing its distance or needing anything to compare it with. How large do you believe the Sun is, Mr. Anderson? You have asked me the same questiion again and again and I have given you the same answer. You may think that if you keep asking me the same question you will get a different answer? I have described you what I saw. I gave the length of the object and how far away I was from it together with all other characteristics. You either take it or leave it. The most relevant question was made by @Hazzard who said how do we know you are not lying? And I said you don't know and you will be sure if what I say is true. But you can take the accounts of many pilots in the Air Force and Navy who have seen similar objects and who put their careers and reputations at risk every time they speak out. Not to forget they are risking their lives while flying. I don't have to guess the distance to the sun. On average it's 1au. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astrobeing Posted July 18 #159 Share Posted July 18 21 hours ago, MrAnderson said: You have asked me the same questiion again and again and I have given you the same answer. And you can't understand how your answer answered nothing? Really? 21 hours ago, MrAnderson said: I have described you what I saw. I gave the length of the object and how far away I was from it together with all other characteristics. You either take it or leave it. And you admit that have no explanation as to how you determined the length or distance of the object -- you were just guessing. Please be aware that objects far away look small and object close appear to be large. Surely a man who worked in academia for years (maths and physics!) understands that you can't solve for two unknown values at the same time. 21 hours ago, MrAnderson said: I don't have to guess the distance to the sun. On average it's 1au. Because someone told you the distance, right Mr. Anderson? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAnderson Posted July 18 Author #160 Share Posted July 18 (edited) 6 minutes ago, astrobeing said: And you can't understand how your answer answered nothing? Really? And you admit that have no explanation as to how you determined the length or distance of the object -- you were just guessing. Please be aware that objects far away look small and object close appear to be large. Surely a man who worked in academia for years (maths and physics!) understands that you can't solve for two unknown values at the same time. Because someone told you the distance, right Mr. Anderson? That's your irn understanding on what I have admitted. I said I have very good skills and can determine the lengths and heights. It's not that difficult if you have been trained to observe and measure after spending years in studying physics and maths. But you don't need a degree to be good with measurements and lengths/sizes. It's not rocket science. Do you have any other questions? Edited July 18 by MrAnderson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zebra3 Posted July 18 #161 Share Posted July 18 I WANT TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT MATERIALS THIS UFO WAS MADE OF!!! HOW DARE YOU SAY YOU SAW SOMETHING WITHOUT BEING ABLE TO TELL US HOW MANY MICRONS OF THICKNESS THIS 'UFO' METAL WAS TO VERIFY YOUR 'SIGHTING!!! 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the13bats Posted July 18 #162 Share Posted July 18 1 minute ago, Zebra3 said: I WANT TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT MATERIALS THIS UFO WAS MADE OF!!! HOW DARE YOU SAY YOU SAW SOMETHING WITHOUT BEING ABLE TO TELL US HOW MANY MICRONS OF THICKNESS THIS 'UFO' METAL WAS TO VERIFY YOUR 'SIGHTING!!! Damn you are a hard ass, all in case too, in my case when a person says they saw something in the sky and don't know what it was I say, that's cool and move on, Unless they make that ridiculous leap that UFO is alien and what they saw can only be aliens craft nothing else, in which case I ask do you have anything to support your claims besides a story and the oddest thing happens the person melts down unhinged on me and the insults start how dare I not believe their stories at face value, it's really weird. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zebra3 Posted July 18 #163 Share Posted July 18 Like you're gonna accept anything anyone says. Obviously. And you don't move on. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astrobeing Posted July 18 #164 Share Posted July 18 4 hours ago, MrAnderson said: That's your irn understanding on what I have admitted. I said I have very good skills and can determine the lengths and heights. It's not that difficult if you have been trained to observe and measure after spending years in studying physics and maths. So you're telling us that you can look at any object in the sky and instantly determine its size and altitude. All you have to do is look at it and BAM you instantly know the object's size and altitude using only your eyes. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the13bats Posted July 19 #165 Share Posted July 19 5 hours ago, Zebra3 said: Like you're gonna accept anything anyone says. Obviously. And you don't move on. Are you not getting enough fiber? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the13bats Posted July 19 #166 Share Posted July 19 1 hour ago, astrobeing said: So you're telling us that you can look at any object in the sky and instantly determine its size and altitude. All you have to do is look at it and BAM you instantly know the object's size and altitude using only your eyes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAnderson Posted July 19 Author #167 Share Posted July 19 2 hours ago, astrobeing said: So you're telling us that you can look at any object in the sky and instantly determine its size and altitude. All you have to do is look at it and BAM you instantly know the object's size and altitude using only your eyes. I have said that it's not that difficult to determine lengths and sizes. You don't really need any superpowers and anyone can do it especially when the distance from the object is close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAnderson Posted July 19 Author #168 Share Posted July 19 6 hours ago, Zebra3 said: I WANT TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT MATERIALS THIS UFO WAS MADE OF!!! HOW DARE YOU SAY YOU SAW SOMETHING WITHOUT BEING ABLE TO TELL US HOW MANY MICRONS OF THICKNESS THIS 'UFO' METAL WAS TO VERIFY YOUR 'SIGHTING!!! As if it need superpowers to determine the length of an object... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAnderson Posted July 19 Author #169 Share Posted July 19 20 minutes ago, the13bats said: You don't need to have all the knowledge in the world to be able to determine how long an object is. As for the trolls there are a lot of them in this thread (if you know that I mean) 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astrobeing Posted July 19 #170 Share Posted July 19 17 hours ago, MrAnderson said: I have said that it's not that difficult to determine lengths and sizes. You don't really need any superpowers and anyone can do it especially when the distance from the object is close. So with all your many years of experience with physics and maths you believe that you can solve an equation with with two unknown variables. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astrobeing Posted July 19 #171 Share Posted July 19 17 hours ago, MrAnderson said: As if it need superpowers to determine the length of an object... The sad fact is that a person needs need to know the correct distance to the object before you can determine its size. Here, let me explain the problem to you, Mr. Anderson. There are two unknown variables at play here: the distance and the size of the object. The size of an object looks smaller inversely proportional to the square of the distance: the two unknown values are dependent on each other. If you don't know one of the values then you are doing what we call "guessing". History has shown that guessing rarely produces accurate values. For example it could trick you into thinking that a balloon is the size of a football field. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAnderson Posted July 19 Author #172 Share Posted July 19 42 minutes ago, astrobeing said: The sad fact is that a person needs need to know the correct distance to the object before you can determine its size. Here, let me explain the problem to you, Mr. Anderson. There are two unknown variables at play here: the distance and the size of the object. The size of an object looks smaller inversely proportional to the square of the distance: the two unknown values are dependent on each other. If you don't know one of the values then you are doing what we call "guessing". History has shown that guessing rarely produces accurate values. For example it could trick you into thinking that a balloon is the size of a football field. There is nothing wrong. You are over thinking of it and write paragraphs upon paragraphs with very little or no value to the conversation trying to argue someone needs to be very trained to know about distances and lengths of various objects. It's not rocket science and you don't need special powers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAnderson Posted July 19 Author #173 Share Posted July 19 53 minutes ago, astrobeing said: So with all your many years of experience with physics and maths you believe that you can solve an equation with with two unknown variables. What equation I will solve and what are the unknown variables? See post above. You can make a fair estimation based on observational skills and basic understanding of SI and other units we use to measure length. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astrobeing Posted July 20 #174 Share Posted July 20 On 7/19/2024 at 12:50 PM, MrAnderson said: There is nothing wrong. You are over thinking of it and write paragraphs upon paragraphs with very little or no value to the conversation trying to argue someone needs to be very trained to know about distances and lengths of various objects. It's not rocket science and you don't need special powers. I am trying to explain to you, an educated man with years and years in academia, why you cannot determine size and distance using human eyes at least not a great distances. Denying an established fact does not make you appear educated, Mr. Anderson. That's one reason why we invented radar, Mr. Anderson. My daughter had no problems understanding the two dependent variable problem when I was helping her with her algebra homework years ago. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astrobeing Posted July 20 #175 Share Posted July 20 On 7/19/2024 at 12:52 PM, MrAnderson said: What equation I will solve and what are the unknown variables? I told you in an earlier post, Mr. Anderson. Must I hold your hand at every moment of our conversation? The first unknown variable is apparent size of an object which is measured in the number of degrees across in the sky it occupies. For example, the Moon is approximately 0.5 degrees in the sky. The second unknown variable the distance from viewer. These two unknown variables are dependent on each other. That means, Mr. Anderson, that if one value is incorrect then the other will be incorrect. That is the fundamental problem of the two dependent variable problem which you pretend doesn't exist. On 7/19/2024 at 12:52 PM, MrAnderson said: You can make a fair estimation based on observational skills and basic understanding of SI and other units we use to measure length. So you were using a ruler to measure the distance to the object, Mr. Anderson? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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