UFO Documentary - I Know What I Saw

[MrAnderson]

9 hours ago, astrobeing said:

I am trying to explain to you, an educated man with years and years in academia, why you cannot determine size and distance using human eyes at least not a great distances. Denying an established fact does not make you appear educated, Mr. Anderson.

That's one reason why we invented radar, Mr. Anderson.

My daughter had no problems understanding the two dependent variable problem when I was helping her with her algebra homework years ago.

You can easily estimate lengths and heights. It's your opinion only and not a fact that people cannot estimate lengths and heights. Like I said earlier, it's not rocket science and you don't need special powers and abilities. The rest of the post it's not relevant to the conversation.

[MrAnderson]

On 7/16/2024 at 6:18 PM, astrobeing said:

How exactly did you determine it's exact size, Mr. Anderson? Pretend you're back in college and this is a test. Show your work.

How interesting that it appeared to move just a jet fighter moving horizontally. Planes tend to look like cylinders from a distance when the wings are pointing towards you.

Is this how you determined it was a mechanical object, Mr. Anderson? Because the object I described (which you refuse to talk about for some reason) moved even more erratic than jet fighter. Would that prove it was a "mechanical object"?

If you know what 100ft in length looks like then you can determine/estimate what 300ft will look like. Not rocket science. Take for example a Boeing 737 familiarise yourself with its length and now multiply by a factor of 2.5-3 and you get an idea of what I saw.

It seems that you are one of the few who have doubts about people's observational skills especially when UFOs age mentioned. Estimating lengths and heights doesn't require special abilities.

Only mechanical objects can travel at that speed and have these capabilities. It wasn't lights, it wasn't meteors, it wasn't balloons. It was a very unusual type of aircraft 300ft long, making no sounds, having no wings, no exhaust, no cockpit, no windows. The fact that it travelled horizontally doesn't make it a conventional aircraft as these aircrafts don't exist as far as we know. The aircraft we know of have all the characteristics that this object didn't have and they make sounds, actually they are very noisy.

Like I said earlier, my answer will not change and it will remain the same simply because this is what I saw end it wasn't a conventional aircraft.

Edited July 21 by MrAnderson

[Dejarma]

10 hours ago, MrAnderson said:

Take for example a Boeing 737 familiarise yourself with its length and now multiply by a factor of 2.5-3 and you get an idea of what I saw.

something of this size & you're the only one to see it?

[MrAnderson]

4 hours ago, Dejarma said:

something of this size & you're the only one to see it?

Actually bigger then that. The Boeing 737 is over 100ft long. Maybe around 120ft or close to this figure. My sighting involved an object which was 2.5 to 3 times longer, making no sounds whatsoever, emitting no gases, having no wings, no exhaust, no engines, no cockpit and no windows. The speed was very fast and something I ve never seen before or after the even. And yet it seems I was the only one who saw it. Maybe others did but I don't know. I think it's  usually the speed that makes it difficult for humans to observe.

[Dejarma]

13 hours ago, MrAnderson said:

And yet it seems I was the only one who saw it. Maybe others did but I don't know. I think it's  usually the speed that makes it difficult for humans to observe.

oh right... just thought i'd ask

[Zebra3]

15 hours ago, MrAnderson said:

making no sounds whatsoever, emitting no gases, having no wings, no exhaust, no engines, no cockpit and no windows. The speed was very fast and something I ve never seen before or after the even. And yet it seems I was the only one who saw it. Maybe others did but I don't know.

I can relate.

[MrAnderson]

1 hour ago, Dejarma said:

oh right... just thought i'd ask

It's true though. That's what I saw. And in principle the objects can be seen for a short period of time given their speeds and the way they go out of sight very quickly. It's probably the reason why we don't have mass sightings imo.

[MrAnderson]

6 minutes ago, Zebra3 said:

I can relate.

Remind me what was your sighting?

[Zebra3]

1 hour ago, MrAnderson said:

Remind me what was your sighting?

I'll PM you. No need to drag the trolls into it yet again because they're really not interested.

Edit: It's saying you can't receive messages.

Edited July 22 by Zebra3

[MrAnderson]

25 minutes ago, Zebra3 said:

I'll PM you. No need to drag the trolls into it yet again because they're really not interested.

Edit: It's saying you can't receive messages.

Yes I can't receive messages but can you say briefly what it was. You shouldn't be concerned with what some posters have to say. Most posters are open minded and they want to hear it. Imo it would have been best if you create a thread (but I know I could be asking a lot). I like the way you are posting and I rate your posts.

Edited July 22 by MrAnderson

[Zebra3]

49 minutes ago, MrAnderson said:

Yes I can't receive messages but can you say briefly what it was. You shouldn't be concerned with what some posters have to say. Most posters are open minded and they want to hear it. Imo it would have been best if you create a thread (but I know I could be asking a lot). I like the way you are posting and I rate your posts.

I don't really care what they have to say. The trolls, anyway. They're just cockroaches you have to constantly swat away and it gets tiring and old. I'll post something for you when I get a chance.

Edited July 22 by Zebra3

[MrAnderson]

2 minutes ago, Zebra3 said:

I don't really care what they have to say. The trolls, anyway. They're just cockroaches you have to constantly swat away and it gets tiring and old. I'll post something for you when I get a chance.

That's great!

Make sure you rate all good posts of people who share their sightings and are open minded.

[Trelane]

2 minutes ago, Zebra3 said:

I don't really care what they have to say. The trolls, anyway. They're just cockroaches you have to constantly swat away and it gets tiring and old. I'll post something for you when I get a chance.

That's how you view those who have contrasting opinions and dispute your claims? 

 

[Antigonos]

6 minutes ago, Trelane said:

That's how you view those who have contrasting opinions and dispute your claims? 

 

Of course. Because he sees it all as an attack on his belief system. For he and his playmates here there’s no critical thinking or honest evaluation going on. Like Papa, this subject is faith based. People get hostile when you question their faith.

[Trelane]

5 minutes ago, Antigonos said:

Of course. Because he sees it all as an attack on his belief system. For he and his playmates here there’s no critical thinking or honest evaluation going on. Like Papa, this subject is faith based. People get hostile when you question their faith.

I see that. I just would like for @Zebra3to explain and clarify why he has that lowly opinion of those with opposite views. Or people who present information that contradicts his assertions or beliefs.

[Zebra3]

53 minutes ago, MrAnderson said:

That's great!

Make sure you rate all good posts of people who share their sightings and are open minded.

Not sure how to rate people.

[Hazzard]

6 minutes ago, Zebra3 said:

Not sure how to rate people.

He ment that you should like all the believers posts, no matter what they say.

[Zebra3]

45 minutes ago, Antigonos said:

Of course. Because he sees it all as an attack on his belief system. For he and his playmates here there’s no critical thinking or honest evaluation going on. Like Papa, this subject is faith based. People get hostile when you question their faith.

Not a belief system. All critical thinking from the beginning - before I even joined here to find experiencers and all been honest evaluation (on my part), long before you guys. Not faith based (WTF 'faith' would it be?). An actual experience. Haven't even posted it and you're at your games already.

Thanks again for crystallizing my thoughts.

[Zebra3]

MrAnderson, let me know if/when you enable your messages.

[MrAnderson]

46 minutes ago, Zebra3 said:

Not sure how to rate people.

Like this. Bottom right.

The skeptics somehow regard personal experience and observations as 'faith'. If you think that observations are an integral part of science and they keep calling it faith or belief system or whether else related to these expressions.

They are trying to equate the acceptance of the UFO phenomenon as some kind of belief based on religious faith imo. And most of us will strongly disagree.

[MrAnderson]

1 hour ago, Trelane said:

I see that. I just would like for @Zebra3to explain and clarify why he has that lowly opinion of those with opposite views. Or people who present information that contradicts his assertions or beliefs.

Having a sighting isn't part of a belief system. Observations from members of the public, testimonies from pilots and military personnel, radar tracking of objects, neither are parts of a belief system.

[Dejarma]

1 hour ago, MrAnderson said:

Observations from members of the public, testimonies from pilots and military personnel, radar tracking of objects, neither are parts of a belief system.

Yes they are!= I can't speak for 'your' alleged personal experience but as far as others are concerned you believe what you're told is true/ really happened.

A story is just a story despite who's telling it & what YOU believe to be true!- So technically YES it IS a belief system. What part of this do you not understand? 

[Grey Area]

2 hours ago, MrAnderson said:

The skeptics somehow regard personal experience and observations as 'faith'.

Not true.  Observation or experience is just that.  Most skeptics welcome reports and observations.  Many people who witness an object are grateful to receive an answer to their experience.

Those that do not welcome answers are those who have already reached the conclusion their sighting was ET.  That is the faith part, completely dogmatic, essentially making **** up to fill the gaps.

2 hours ago, MrAnderson said:

If you think that observations are an integral part of science and they keep calling it faith or belief system or whether else related to these expressions.

Observation is indeed an important part of the scientific method.  However repeatability is also an important part.  Without the latter, you cannot reach any conclusions without ‘faith’ and that is not part of the scientific method.

2 hours ago, MrAnderson said:

They are trying to equate the acceptance of the UFO phenomenon as some kind of belief based on religious faith imo. And most of us will strongly disagree.

If you have jumped to the conclusion that a UFO must be extra-terrestrial then yes, praise the lard, you have faith, and little else.

UFO’s are real, no issue with that, proving their true nature is problematic.

[MrAnderson]

2 hours ago, Grey Area said:

Not true.  Observation or experience is just that.  Most skeptics welcome reports and observations.  Many people who witness an object are grateful to receive an answer to their experience.

Those that do not welcome answers are those who have already reached the conclusion their sighting was ET.  That is the faith part, completely dogmatic, essentially making **** up to fill the gaps.

Observation is indeed an important part of the scientific method.  However repeatability is also an important part.  Without the latter, you cannot reach any conclusions without ‘faith’ and that is not part of the scientific method.

If you have jumped to the conclusion that a UFO must be extra-terrestrial then yes, praise the lard, you have faith, and little else.

UFO’s are real, no issue with that, proving their true nature is problematic.

Very true I am afraid. Skeptics on this site don't accept observations or at the very least they try to find ways to call the observers non reliable, confused, before they engage in personal attacks in many cases against those who have a different view or just share their sightings. There was a whole conversation on another thread about this matter and all you have to do is to see the comments made by other posters who have been attacked and insulted. So you are not right. If you don't believe me then ask the posters themselves such as @Guyver @Zebra3 @skyeagle409  and a number of others.

I haven't jumped at any conclusion and I shared my experience but it's a possibility that some of these objects could be alien in origin. We don't know what they are in a lot of these cases and some of them are probably human in origin  Skeptics don't like it and they go after the player and not after the ball.

It's not a coincidence that those who are open minded are not usually engage in personal attacks and they don't go after the player. They go after the ball.

@Unusual Tournament @Hankenhunter

probably agree with the what I said above.

 

Edited July 23 by MrAnderson

[MrAnderson]

2 hours ago, Dejarma said:

Yes they are!= I can't speak for 'your' alleged personal experience but as far as others are concerned you believe what you're told is true/ really happened.

A story is just a story despite who's telling it & what YOU believe to be true!- So technically YES it IS a belief system. What part of this do you not understand? 

A sighting or an observation is not part of a belief system. I don't believe a saw a cigar shaped object. I saw a cigar shaped object. Big difference.

You may choose to accept it reject the story I told you to but that's up to you. I am not forcing anyone to accept it.

I am very confident in what I saw and I know what I saw and I am able to differentiate between a cylinder, a disk, a triangle, a sphere, a cube. I even gave you it's characteristics. 300ft in length, no wings, no exhaust, no cockpit, no windows, travelling at a great speed.

Edited July 23 by MrAnderson