UFO Documentary - I Know What I Saw

[astrobeing]

On 7/21/2024 at 2:17 AM, MrAnderson said:

You can easily estimate lengths and heights. It's your opinion only and not a fact that people cannot estimate lengths and heights.

No, I just showed you why it's impossible by mathematics. Anyone who claims to have been in academia for years would have addressed the relevance of the equation, yet your only response is nothing more than "Nuuuuuuuuh uuuuuuuuuh!"

Your inability to understand the significance of a very simple two variable equation proves you don't even understand basic algebra. You don't even realize how much you've embarrassed yourself here, Mr. Anderson.

[Dejarma]

12 minutes ago, MrAnderson said:

A sighting or an observation is not part of a belief system. I don't believe a saw a cigar shaped object. I saw a cigar shaped object. Big difference.

I thought I made it clear enough I wasn't referring to YOUR sighting = believing what others say is my point- yet another pointless futile attempt on my part  I feel

[MrAnderson]

2 minutes ago, astrobeing said:

No, I just showed you why it's impossible by mathematics. Anyone who claims to have been in academia for years would have addressed the relevance of the equation, yet your only response is nothing more than "Nuuuuuuuuh uuuuuuuuuh!"

Your inability to understand the significance of a very simple two variable equation proves you don't even understand basic algebra. You don't even realize how much you've embarrassed yourself here, Mr. Anderson.

Yes, you asserted that is impossible by mathematics. Now you have to prove this assertion.

I want to see how the mathematics proves that nobody can estimate lengths and heights which makes it impossible for humans to make estimations according to you.

All yours.

[MrAnderson]

34 minutes ago, Dejarma said:

I thought I made it clear enough I wasn't referring to YOUR sighting = believing what others say is my point- yet another pointless futile attempt on my part  I feel

I know. My sighting was what I told you. It's not part of any believe system either literally or technically (after this mental gymnastics exercise).

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[astrobeing]

2 minutes ago, MrAnderson said:

Yes, you asserted that is impossible by mathematics. Now you have to prove this assertion.

You're telling me that I need to prove that an equation with two unknown but dependent variables has infinite solutions, a rule that is as old as algebra????

Really, Mr. "Years in Academia" Anderson? You don't know how equations work?

This is junior high school level algebra. Surely you remember from your basic trigonometry.

Prove me wrong: tell me what the values of x and y are in "x = 2y".

 

[MrAnderson]

4 minutes ago, astrobeing said:

You're telling me that I need to prove that an equation with two unknown but dependent variables has infinite solutions, a rule that is as old as algebra????

Really, Mr. "Years in Academia" Anderson? You don't know how equations work?

This is junior high school level algebra. Surely you remember from your basic trigonometry.

Prove me wrong: tell me what the values of x and y are in "x = 2y".

 

You asserted something else if you remember.

Do you remember what it was?

Humans can't estimate lengths and heights.. can you prove this assestion?

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[astrobeing]

Just now, MrAnderson said:

You asserted something else if you remember.

No I didn't. I have repeated the same thing over and over and your lack of education becomes more obvious every time you fail to understand it.

So you can't solve that equation, Mr. Anderson?

[MrAnderson]

10 minutes ago, astrobeing said:

No I didn't. I have repeated the same thing over and over and your lack of education becomes more obvious every time you fail to understand it.

So you can't solve that equation, Mr. Anderson?

 

On 7/21/2024 at 9:17 AM, MrAnderson said:

You can easily estimate lengths and heights. It's your opinion only and not a fact that people cannot estimate lengths and heights.

Your answer to my post above

"No, I just showed you why it's impossible by mathematics. Anyone who claims to have been in academia for years would have addressed the relevance of the equation, yet your only response is nothing more than "Nuuuuuuuuh uuuuuuuuuh!"

 

My post and yours.

I said you can easily estimate lengths and heights end you said it's impossible by mathematics. Can you prove this assertion and show me how did you come up to this conclusion? You should probably write a paper but it needs to be peer-reviewed first.

I agree though you have repeated the same thing again and again by asserting that nobody can estimate lengths and heights.

Edited July 23 by MrAnderson

[Golden Duck]

People are terribly inaccurate at estimiating distances. 

 

 

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[MrAnderson]

7 hours ago, astrobeing said:

No I didn't. I have repeated the same thing over and over and your lack of education becomes more obvious every time you fail to understand it.

So you can't solve that equation, Mr. Anderson?

When you get the chance let me know why is impossible for humans to estimate heights and lengths and how maths has proven your argument. Just show the proof.

[Green Devil]

On 7/8/2024 at 8:14 AM, MrAnderson said:

 

A very nice documentary with a self-explanatory title.

For those who haven't watched it yet, take your time with this one and watch it whenever you can. For those who have already watched the documentary, you can watch it again!

 

 

I watched this video sometime ago

It's very interesting

[Green Devil]

On 7/9/2024 at 1:49 PM, preacherman76 said:

I personally know several people, including my Mother and sister who witnessed this craft. 
 

With a military airport in the area, it was nothing to see craft fly in formation around here all the time. No one would describe such an event as silent. Its loud as hell, and can in no way be mistaken for what people saw that summer. 

Great stuff!

[Green Devil]

On 7/22/2024 at 1:15 AM, MrAnderson said:

Actually bigger then that. The Boeing 737 is over 100ft long. Maybe around 120ft or close to this figure. My sighting involved an object which was 2.5 to 3 times longer, making no sounds whatsoever, emitting no gases, having no wings, no exhaust, no engines, no cockpit and no windows. The speed was very fast and something I ve never seen before or after the even. And yet it seems I was the only one who saw it. Maybe others did but I don't know. I think it's  usually the speed that makes it difficult for humans to observe.

Larger that Boeing 737??!! It must have been huge! Was it larger than a Boeing 747?

[MrAnderson]

41 minutes ago, Green Devil said:

Larger that Boeing 737??!! It must have been huge! Was it larger than a Boeing 747?

A Boeing 747 is almost double in length to the Boeing 737 which is around 120ft long. The 747 it's around 240ft long If I remember well (but don't know the exact lengths, need to look them up later).

So my sighting involved an object that was longer than a Boeing 747.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_747-8#:~:text=The 747-8 is the world's longest currently-operational passenger,military%2C manufactured in the U.S.

The longest airplane in the world is one of the variants of 747. Take a look at the link.

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[Trelane]

Larger than a Boeing 737. And there are no other reports or news clippings that corroborates this?

Sure, sure it was buddy.😉

[astrobeing]

10 hours ago, MrAnderson said:

When you get the chance let me know why is impossible for humans to estimate heights and lengths and how maths has proven your argument. Just show the proof.

After you learn basic algebra you'll discover that I have proved it mathematically by showing that length and distance are two dependent variables therefore one value cannot be determined without the other being determined beforehand.

You demonstrated that you haven't even learned enough mathematics to understand a simple equation like "x = 2y". That would put your education at less than U.S. high school level.

[astrobeing]

4 hours ago, Trelane said:

Larger than a Boeing 737. And there are no other reports or news clippings that corroborates this?

Sure, sure it was buddy.😉

He wants us to believe that he alone witnessed a "mechanical" cylinder the size of a football field flying around. And he shames us "skeptics" for daring to question this claim.

[MrAnderson]

2 hours ago, astrobeing said:

After you learn basic algebra you'll discover that I have proved it mathematically by showing that length and distance are two dependent variables therefore one value cannot be determined without the other being determined beforehand.

You demonstrated that you haven't even learned enough mathematics to understand a simple equation like "x = 2y". That would put your education at less than U.S. high school level.

You made a statement that you mathematics prove that humans cannot estimate lengths and heights. Can I see the proof please and not your personal opinion on what proof is some random linear equation. Can you tell who proved the theorem or whatever it was, unless it was you.

[MrAnderson]

2 hours ago, astrobeing said:

He wants us to believe that he alone witnessed a "mechanical" cylinder the size of a football field flying around. And he shames us "skeptics" for daring to question this claim.

You don't need to believe in anything and I demand you believe it. You can question as much as you want but it doesn't change what I saw and I am very confident in my abilities to see and estimate distances and heights.

But like I said, I would like to see the proof and not just assertions and some random sentences. Please.

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[MrAnderson]

7 hours ago, Trelane said:

Larger than a Boeing 737. And there are no other reports or news clippings that corroborates this?

Sure, sure it was buddy.😉

No that's I know of. It was very fact and disappeared. It may not be visible travelling with these speeds or even faster and then disappearing completely.

[MrAnderson]

@Resume.  @Antigonos @Piney @Golden Duck

Since you liked the post on the top of the last page #201 you may want to offer some help to @astrobeing who is struggling to come up with the proof that humans cannot estimate heights and lengths.

On 7/21/2024 at 9:17 AM, MrAnderson said:

You can easily estimate lengths and heights. It's your opinion only and not a fact that people cannot estimate lengths and heights.

Reply by astrobeing (first sentence):"No, I just showed you why it's impossible by mathematics"

 

He says it's impossible by mathematics. Nothing shown or proved. Some assertions (not even assertions)

It looks like you may have some extra knowledge since you liked the statement without the proof. If 
he keeps struggling will you be able to offer some explanation or even the proof itself? I am waiting to see it and educate myself.

 

Edited July 23 by MrAnderson

[MrAnderson]

@psyche101 sinee you too liked the post by astrobeing you don't mind if you can provide some help later on to help with the proof that humans cannot estimate lengths and heights. Perhaps you can help astrobeing articulate the claim and do some of the maths. I am sure you can guys figure it out.

[+Liquid Gardens]

16 hours ago, MrAnderson said:

You can question as much as you want but it doesn't change what I saw and I am very confident in my abilities to see and estimate distances and heights.

That's fine, but you do agree that your confidence in your own abilities is not evidence?

I had been thinking about the difficulties of estimating distances and sizes a few weeks ago actually, partly in relation to these ufo topics.  I was downtown at night and saw a flying object in the sky with four lights arranged roughly in a square.  I'm pretty sure it was a drone but I don't know that, it never flew in front of a building or anything man-made so all I had was the sky as a reference.  If it was a drone there was nothing unusual about its movement.  It went fairly fast then stopped and went backwards the way it came and then sideways, etc.

However with only the sky as a reference I couldn't necessarily tell if this UFO was a few hundred feet up or a few thousand feet up or even higher.  If it was higher then it was making impossible maneuvers and could move faster than any air vehicle I'm aware of.  If as I suspect it was a drone that was roughly 30 stories high its ability to cover a distance of a few street blocks quickly and then make sharp turns and go in the opposite direction was normal.  If instead this was actually a vehicle many thousands of feet up then the distance it covered in the sky would require a speed that I believe is beyond current technology let alone the ability to make these turns at that speed.

You can estimate distances if you know what you are looking at, if you can positively identify something as a 747 and see it in the sky and can measure it accurately enough (focal length? not very well versed in optics) then you can extrapolate its distance based on how large the 747 appears in the sky. That isn't the situation with UFOs usually, you don't know what you are looking at so you may not have any reference for what its size is.  And that's why we shouldn't always be confident in our abilities to do these estimates for UFOs; a smaller object moving at a slower speed closer to you can look almost identical to a larger object moving at a faster speed farther away from you.  Since your UFO was also moving fast then that, logically I hope you agree, would normally decrease the accuracy of your sighting.

[Hazzard]

18 hours ago, MrAnderson said:

 It may not be visible travelling with these speeds or even faster and then disappearing completely.

Or maybe... it was never there to begin with.

[MrAnderson]

37 minutes ago, Hazzard said:

Or maybe... it was never there to begin with.

In your opinion nothing was ever there in every case. So...