Voters want Starmer to ditch his Brexit red lines and rejoin single market

[pellinore]

The only reason we had a referendum in the first place was so that the Tory Party could heal its internal divisions. Those divisions are getting worse now they are in opposition, so it was all a pointless act of national self-harm. Let's all come to our senses and build some houses in the Shetland and Orkney Islands for the Brexiters who don't want to live in the modern world. They can have their olde worlde village tea shoppes, red post boxes, and their houses can have faux Tudor timbers and thatched roofs. Their TVs can be modified so they only get GBNews, and Nigel Farage and Jacob Rees Mogg can record messages for them for public holidays. Peace and harmony will reign in the UK once again.

New polling shows that the vast majority of voters who went to the polls to vote for a Keir Starmer government want Labour to drop its Brexit “red lines” and reverse the Tory legacy on Europe.

Asked about whether Labour should reconsider its stance on the single market, customs union and freedom of movement in order to gain economic benefit, 71 per cent thought they should.

Just 14 per cent thought they should not alter their Brexit red line stance, with only 2 per cent saying “definitely not”.

Keir Starmer has been urged to ditch his red lines on Brexit (Reuters)© Provided by The Independent

The polling, commissioned by the pro-EU European Movement, aims to put pressure on Sir Keir to have a dramatic rethink of Labour’s foreign policy as he heads off to Nato today where he will meet with many of Europe’s leaders including commission president Ursula von der Leyen.

During the election, Sir Keir was criticised for not mentioning Brexit.

Labour voters want Starmer to ditch his Brexit red lines and rejoin single market (msn.com)

Edited July 9 by pellinore

[Destination Unknown]

47 minutes ago, pellinore said:

The polling, commissioned by the pro-EU European Movement, aims to put pressure on Sir Keir to have a dramatic rethink of Labour’s foreign policy as he heads off to Nato today where he will meet with many of Europe’s leaders including commission president Ursula von der Leyen.

So a poll commissioned by that grifter Galsworthy's 'European Movement UK' has concluded that voters want to rejoin the Single Market. Well dueeeer. Of course they do. Guess what, I've just commissoned a poll asking pro-Brexit supporters whether we should join the Single Market, and they all said "NO", so that must mean voters don't want to join the Single Market. 🤦

And since when has the EU been a member of NATO, and since when has von der Leyen been a European leader?

Edited July 9 by Destination Unknown

[pellinore]

1 minute ago, Destination Unknown said:

So a poll commissioned by that grifter Galsworthy's 'European Movement UK' want to rejoin the Single Market. Well dueeeer. Of course they do, guess what, I've just commissoned a poll asking pro-Brexit supporters whether we should join the Single Market, and they all said "No", so that must mean voters don't want to join the Single Market. 🤦

From the article, quote: "The polling, commissioned by the pro-EU European Movement"

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-labour-starmer-single-market-b2576534.html

Who cares? No one wants what Boris Johnson, Farage, Liz Truss, or Frost offered anymore. It was all nonsense. Levelling up was nonsense, world trade deals was nonsense, no one queued up to deal with the UK and there is no money to replace the funds we lost when we left the SM.

The economy is damaged, immigration is up, it is time to call it a day. I was just joking about building a 1950s Britain in the Scottish islands, it isn't needed, the vast majority of Brexiters have sadly passed away since 2016, so their xenophobic bile has been buried with them.

 

[Destination Unknown]

11 minutes ago, pellinore said:

there is no money to replace the funds we lost when we left the SM

Can we all just stop pretending these "EU funds" are actually "funds" from the EU. They aren't.

As a net contributor to the EU's budget we all know it was actually a portion of the UK's membership fee which gets recycled by the EU after the unelected EU bureaucrats had creamed their cut off the top and then handed it back to the UK disingenuously dressed up as "funding", "a grant", "a rebate" or "a subsidy" to con gullible clowns like you into thinking that the UK is getting something out of the EU that it isn't - it's money that already belonged to the UK in the first place, it's UK taxpayers money.

On top of that the UK HAS to spend this "funding" (UK taxpayers money) on what the EU has already decided the UK has to spend it on, then after that they are told they have to display that disgusting blue rag with its dismal wreath of yellow stars on it and declare that it has been "funded" by the EU - wrong, it has been funded by the UK's taxpayers, whether they wanted to fund it or not.

To make it simple, here's the idiots guide:

. First of all you give me £100.

. You then decide that you want to do a job that will cost £100, and you want my help to pay for it.

. I then tell you if you are allowed to do the job, and if it is high profile enough then I say yes.

. I give you £50 back out of the original £100 you gave me, and you pay the other £50.

. You stick my flag on it with a notice saying that I funded it.

. Congratulations: You have just paid £150 for a £100 job, whilst I have pocketed £50 of your money and everyone thinks that I paid for your job and that I am so good and so generous.

It's a nice little scam - as long as enough people are dumb enough not to understand it. That's where you come in.!!

Edited July 9 by Destination Unknown

[pellinore]

5 minutes ago, Destination Unknown said:

Can we all just stop pretending these "EU funds" are actually "funds" from the EU. They aren't.

As a net contributor to the EU's budget we all know it was actually a portion of the UK's membership fee which gets recycled by the EU after the unelected EU bureaucrats had creamed their cut off the top and then handed it back to the UK disingenuously dressed up as "funding", "a grant", "a rebate" or "a subsidy" to con gullible clowns like you into thinking that the UK is getting something out of the EU that it isn't - it's money that already belonged to the UK in the first place, it's UK taxpayers money.

On top of that the UK HAS to spend this "funding" (UK taxpayers money) on what the EU has already decided the UK has to spend it on, then after that they are told they have to display that disgusting blue rag with its dismal wreath of yellow stars on it and declare that it has been "funded" by the EU - wrong, it has been funded by the UK's taxpayers, whether they wanted to fund it or not.

To make it simple, here's the idiots guide:

. First of all you give me £100.

. You then decide that you want to do a job that will cost £100, and you want my help to pay for it.

. I then tell you if you are allowed to do the job, and if it is high profile enough then I say yes.

. I give you £50 back out of the original £100 you gave me, and you pay the other £50.

. You stick my flag on it with a notice saying that I funded it.

. Congratulations: You have just paid £150 for a £100 job, whilst I have pocketed £50 of your money and everyone thinks that I paid for your job and that I am so good and so generous.

It's a nice little scam - as long as enough people are dumb enough not to understand it. That's where you come in.!!

The UK paid in about £9 billion per year and benefited about £100 billion per year. 

Let me make this easy for you:

I want to sell burgers at a market.

The council says we will tax you £10 a month.

I make £100 a month selling burgers. I give the council their £10 and put £90 pounds in my pocket.

I'm doing okay.

Then Nigel Farage says I should only sell burgers to British people. So, I close my stall, save £10, and ask if anyone wants to buy my burgers. No one does, as I no longer have a stall.

 

 

 

[Destination Unknown]

5 minutes ago, pellinore said:

The UK paid in about £9 billion per year and benefited about £100 billion per year.

How many times do I have to carry on debunking that absolute nonsense pellinore?

The Single Market was an ever expanding disaster for the UK. In the last 20 years of our membership it led to ever increasing trade deficits, with the EU selling more to us than we to them, wiping out any trade surpluses we made with non-EU countries.

One of the reasons for this is that we are a service led economy, and the terms of the Single Market favour manufacturing, not services.

Just take a look at any 'EU Single Market Scoreboard' that includes the UK (which I can guarantee you still have not done, despite me telling you to do so on numerous occasions). These reports are published by the EU itself.

Within their reports is a section on 'Integration and Market Openness' that shows data on the amount of goods and services imported and exported between EU member "States" and the rest of the world. So, where do you think we were on the EU trade in goods integration table? 

Well, from the EU's own report, the UK was in, wait for it - last place.!!

Then when you look across the board at the levels of imports and exports to and from the UK in goods and services to both the EU and the RoW you see that the UK was at or near the bottom of just about every single table.

Despite us being the 2nd largest net contributor to the EU's budget, the EU's own figures show that it didn't work for us. All it shows is what Leave voters have been telling you Remoaners all along, that the EU has been taking the UK for a ride, and it has been for decades.

[Duke Wellington]

5 hours ago, pellinore said:

The only reason we had a referendum in the first place was so that the Tory Party could heal its internal divisions. Those divisions are getting worse now they are in opposition, so it was all a pointless act of national self-harm. Let's all come to our senses and build some houses in the Shetland and Orkney Islands for the Brexiters who don't want to live in the modern world. They can have their olde worlde village tea shoppes, red post boxes, and their houses can have faux Tudor timbers and thatched roofs. Their TVs can be modified so they only get GBNews, and Nigel Farage and Jacob Rees Mogg can record messages for them for public holidays. Peace and harmony will reign in the UK once again.

New polling shows that the vast majority of voters who went to the polls to vote for a Keir Starmer government want Labour to drop its Brexit “red lines” and reverse the Tory legacy on Europe.

Asked about whether Labour should reconsider its stance on the single market, customs union and freedom of movement in order to gain economic benefit, 71 per cent thought they should.

Just 14 per cent thought they should not alter their Brexit red line stance, with only 2 per cent saying “definitely not”.

Keir Starmer has been urged to ditch his red lines on Brexit (Reuters)© Provided by The Independent

The polling, commissioned by the pro-EU European Movement, aims to put pressure on Sir Keir to have a dramatic rethink of Labour’s foreign policy as he heads off to Nato today where he will meet with many of Europe’s leaders including commission president Ursula von der Leyen.

During the election, Sir Keir was criticised for not mentioning Brexit.

Labour voters want Starmer to ditch his Brexit red lines and rejoin single market (msn.com)

And so it begins.

If he goes for it he loses the next election, if he doesn`t then he is toppled.

[itsnotoutthere]

"The Think Voter Intention poll had a Labour sample of almost 500"

Nuff said.