Safeguard American Voter Eligibility (SAVE) Act opposed by Democrats

[Michelle]

President Joe Biden is formally opposed to a Congressional bill that would require voters show proof of U.S. citizenship.

According to the White House, Biden “strongly opposes” the Safeguard American Voter Eligibility (SAVE) Act, which would amend the National Voter Registration Act of 1993 to require people to provide proof of citizenship to register to vote.

“It is already illegal for noncitizens to vote in Federal elections — it is a Federal crime punishable by prison and fines. The alleged justification for this bill is based on easily disproven falsehoods,” the White House statement reads. “Additionally, making a false claim of citizenship or unlawfully voting in an election is punishable by removal from the United States and a permanent bar to admission.”

Republicans, including Texas Rep. Chip Roy who introduced the bill, say the measure is necessary to ensure foreign nationals, who are permitted to vote in local elections in some states, are removed from federal voter rolls.

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Biden opposes bill that would require voters to prove citizenship (msn.com)

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

How hard would it be to prove citizenship? 
Provide a social security number? Birth certificate? Passport? 

[Michelle]

2 minutes ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

How hard would it be to prove citizenship? 
Provide a social security number? Birth certificate? Passport? 

As of now you can vote if you have a drivers license. When the states that allow illegals to get them they are given voter registration forms. They want illegals to vote.

[Zebra3]

Of course they do. They do what they say the right does, and they do it right to your face and lie about it.

Idiots.

[Portre]

 No. It is illegal for noncitizens to vote in federal elections.  It is a political ploy.

[+HerNibs]

I personally don’t have an issue with requiring ID to vote.

Here are the issues that were brought up when I worked for our county as Election Coordinator-

It cannot cost a person any monetary value for them to vote. I don’t know of any state that distributes FREE state or federally recognized forms of ID. So technically, requiring any form of ID that has to be paid for can disenfranchise some eligible voters.

There are already checks and balances in the election (voting and registering) process that when properly utilized would weed out ineligible people. These are the same processes that block a person from voting more than once or counting a vote from someone who is not properly registered for particular races.

IMO this bill is redundant. Funding should go for better eligibility checks state to state and federally. Currently provisional ballots are given to a person that cannot be quickly verified as being eligible. After Election Day the information on the provisional is verified. If the person cannot be verified, ballot not counted.

Is our system perfect? Nope. Is it good? Yep. It would be very easy to fill in any iffy areas without too much work. Just shouting about needing ID isn’t the solution.

Nibs

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

3 minutes ago, Portre said:

 No. It is illegal for noncitizens to vote in federal elections.  It is a political ploy.

And when it does happen this upcoming election, what do you think the consequences will be? 
“ohh well, too late. We’ll try and do better next time”, I’m sure. 

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

Just now, HerNibs said:

I personally don’t have an issue with requiring ID to vote.

Here are the issues that were brought up when I worked for our county as Election Coordinator-

It cannot cost a person any monetary value for them to vote. I don’t know of any state that distributes FREE state or federally recognized forms of ID. So technically, requiring any form of ID that has to be paid for can disenfranchise some eligible voters.

There are already checks and balances in the election (voting and registering) process that when properly utilized would weed out ineligible people. These are the same processes that block a person from voting more than once or counting a vote from someone who is not properly registered for particular races.

IMO this bill is redundant. Funding should go for better eligibility checks state to state and federally. Currently provisional ballots are given to a person that cannot be quickly verified as being eligible. After Election Day the information on the provisional is verified. If the person cannot be verified, ballot not counted.

Is our system perfect? Nope. Is it good? Yep. It would be very easy to fill in any iffy areas without too much work. Just shouting about needing ID isn’t the solution.

Nibs

Isn’t Social Security issued to you for free?

[+and-then]

2 minutes ago, Portre said:

 No. It is illegal for noncitizens to vote in federal elections.  It is a political ploy.

What part of post# 3 is inaccurate?  When individual States allow those with only a driver's license to be eligible to vote and they also issue driver's licenses to illegals, it seems those states don't give a damn about Federal Law and DC proves time and again they are unwilling to intervene.  

[+and-then]

2 minutes ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

And when it does happen this upcoming election, what do you think the consequences will be? 
“ohh well, too late. We’ll try and do better next time”, I’m sure. 

No, I think the consequences of that kind of election happening twice in a row are going to be far more destructive.

[Grim Reaper 6]

24 minutes ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

How hard would it be to prove citizenship? 
Provide a social security number? Birth certificate? Passport? 

The Supreme Court made a ruling on this matter in 2013, stating that while states can have their own voter registration forms, these forms must not contravene the federal regulations established in the voter registration form. To alter these regulations, Mike Johnson and Congress would need a Supreme Court decision, and there is not enough time to change these regulations before the upcoming 2024 Presidential election. Therefore, a driver's license will be the only requirement during the forthcoming election.

Mike Johnson’s claim about noncitizens registering to vote at the DMV and ‘welfare’ offices is false - Poynter

26 minutes ago, Michelle said:

As of now you can vote if you have a drivers license. When the states that allow illegals to get them they are given voter registration forms. They want illegals to vote.

 

[+HerNibs]

3 minutes ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

Isn’t Social Security issued to you for free?

I believe so. But ID requirements vary state to state.  So does verification of SSNs. 
 

This is one of the “iffy” areas that could be very easy to fix but all states and the fed gov would have to agree.

*insert eye roll* THAT should be easy.

Nibs

[Michelle]

It is illegal to even ask someone if they are here legally so what is to stop them?

Edited July 10 by Michelle

[+HerNibs]

Regarding an illegal that is allowed to vote in local elections and preventing them from voting in federal elections.

It should be easy to separate. Emphasis on should.

Most election systems today provide a ballot to an individual based on their address. The ballot they get should only have election races and questions that they are eligible. Guy in San Fran won’t get the races/questions for San Diego.

It should be very easy to set a restriction on if a person has been confirmed as a citizen. I know it could be done on the system in our county. I say “should” because I don’t know all systems.

Nibs

[+HerNibs]

4 minutes ago, Michelle said:

It is illegal to even ask someone if they are here legally so what is to stop them?

I thought that was true regarding employment not voting because it is asked in registrations.

Nibs

[Setton]

15 minutes ago, and-then said:

No, I think the consequences of that kind of election happening twice in a row are going to be far more destructive.

But of course you'd never advocate violence if an election doesn't go your way. 

Heaven forfend! 

No doubt you'll come back with another erudite response full of swearing in all caps.

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

30 minutes ago, Setton said:

But of course you'd never advocate violence if an election doesn't go your way. 

Heaven forfend! 

No doubt you'll come back with another erudite response full of swearing in all caps.

Saying “there will be violence if …” does not endorse or encourage that violence, unless saying “HAMAS wants to kill Jews” is endorsing them killing Jews, or saying “Putin will bomb Kyiv” is endorsing Putin. 

[Setton]

23 minutes ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

Saying “there will be violence if …” does not endorse or encourage that violence, unless saying “HAMAS wants to kill Jews” is endorsing them killing Jews, or saying “Putin will bomb Kyiv” is endorsing Putin. 

Perhaps, but when it's coupled with four years of saying it is justified, and spreading the lies that will cause the violence, that's a rather different story.

To use your example, saying "Putin will bomb Kyiv" does not endorse it. Saying "Putin will bomb Kyiv and they deserve it for eating all those babies" does, and has as much basis in fact as and-then's support for violence if his chosen candidate loses again.

Edited July 10 by Setton

[Portre]

1 hour ago, and-then said:

What part of post# 3 is inaccurate?  When individual States allow those with only a driver's license to be eligible to vote and they also issue driver's licenses to illegals, it seems those states don't give a damn about Federal Law and DC proves time and again they are unwilling to intervene.  

Federal law prohibits noncitizens voting in federal elections. States and municipalities have laws covering their elections. No evidence of mass voting of noncitizens in federal elections.

Edited July 10 by Portre

[acidhead]

2 hours ago, Michelle said:

According to the White House, Biden “strongly opposes” the Safeguard American Voter Eligibility (SAVE) Act, which would amend the National Voter Registration Act of 1993 to require people to provide proof of citizenship to register to vote.

Here's a screenshot I just took of the House vote earlier today  

 

[acidhead]

6 minutes ago, acidhead said:

Here's a screenshot I just took of the House vote earlier today  

 

Here are the 5 Democrats that voted yes 

Rep Henry Cuellar (D-Texas)
Rep. Don Davis (D-North Carolina)
Rep. Vicente Gonzalez (D-Texas)
Rep Jared Golden (D-Maine) 
Rep. Marie Gluesenkamp Perez (D-Wash.)

[+HerNibs]

https://www.eac.gov/sites/default/files/eac_assets/1/6/Federal_Voter_Registration_ENG.pdf
 

Voter registration form. 
 

Every registration form contain a statement that the person registering IS a citizen.

Just like any fraudulent registration or any attempt to vote more than once or for someone else, lying is prosecutable.

Nibs

[Kenemet]

2 hours ago, Michelle said:

As of now you can vote if you have a drivers license. When the states that allow illegals to get them they are given voter registration forms. They want illegals to vote.

I think you may need to look at these laws again and think about some of the wording.

Very few "foreigners" here in the US are illegals.  I had a driver from Camaroon last week who became a citizen two years ago.  My trainer at the gym is "Mexican"... he was born in San Antonio, where his family has lived there since before Texas became a state.

States don't give "illegals" drivers' licenses.  An illegal immigrant might have a drivers' license from their own country, but there's no way they could get one here for the US unless someone forged the drivers' license.

And (speaking as an election judge) when you hand over your drivers' license to be scanned to get a ballot, the computer doing the scanning has a database of who's a legal resident in the state.  If there's no match, you don't get a ballot.  If something's really hinky (a guy shows up and says he's 82 year old Gabriella Martinez when he's clearly male and under 40), you don't issue a ballot.

You've been lied to in the name of "there's zillions of illegals voting!" -- and the proof is here: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2024/may/20/mike-johnson/mike-johnsons-false-claim-that-immigrants-paroled/

 

And think about it... the Trump administration was responsible for overseeing elections, including the one where Biden got elected.  So you're really saying that the Trump administration and all Republican elections overseers couldn't manage to have secure elections. 

And if that's the case, then the best thing is to vote out of office those idiots who allowed a bad election to be conducted so that Biden won.   So when election time comes around, vote Democrat so you don't get something like the Trump administration and their striking inability to prevent 40,000 illegals from voting in our federal elections.

(or if you believe that the Trump administration could oversee fair elections, then fairly... Biden won and there's not a billion illegals voting in the elections)

Edited July 10 by Kenemet

[acidhead]

4 minutes ago, Kenemet said:

I think you may need to look at these laws again and think about some of the wording.

Very few "foreigners" here in the US are illegals.  I had a driver from Camaroon last week who became a citizen two years ago.  My trainer at the gym is "Mexican"... his family comes from San Antonio and have lived there since before Texas became a state.

States don't give "illegals" drivers' licenses.  An illegal immigrant might have a drivers' license from their own country, but there's no way they could get one here for the US unless someone forged the drivers' license.

And (speaking as an election judge) when you hand over your drivers' license to be scanned to get a ballot, the computer doing the scanning has a database of who's a legal resident in the state.  If there's no match, you don't get a ballot.  If something's really hinky (a guy shows up and says he's 82 year old Gabriella Martinez when he's clearly male and under 40), you don't issue a ballot.

You've been lied to in the name of "there's zillions of illegals voting!" -- and the proof is here: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2024/may/20/mike-johnson/mike-johnsons-false-claim-that-immigrants-paroled/

 

And think about it... the Trump administration was responsible for overseeing elections, including the one where Biden got elected.  So you're really saying that the Trump administration and all Republican elections overseers couldn't manage to have secure elections. 

And if that's the case, then the best thing is to vote out of office those idiots who allowed a bad election to be conducted so that Biden won.   So when election time comes around, vote Democrat so you don't get something like the Trump administration and their striking inability to prevent 40,000 illegals from voting in our federal elections.

(or if you believe that the Trump administration could oversee fair elections, then fairly... Biden won and there's not a billion illegals voting in the elections)

https://www.immigrationhelp.org/learning-center/drivers-licenses-for-immigrants

Yes, undocumented individuals can get a driver's license in the USA, but only in some states and under certain circumstances. Currently, 16 states and the District of Columbia allow undocumented people to obtain driver’s licenses ¹ ² ³:

- California
- Colorado
- Connecticut
- Delaware
- Hawaii
- Illinois
- Maryland
- Nevada
- New Jersey
- New Mexico
- New York
- Oregon
- Utah
- Vermont
- Virginia
- Washington

Each state has its own process and requirements for obtaining a driver's license, and undocumented individuals may need to provide alternative documentation, such as a foreign passport or consular card, to prove their identity and residency ². 

 

[Kenemet]

1 minute ago, acidhead said:

https://www.immigrationhelp.org/learning-center/drivers-licenses-for-immigrants

Yes, undocumented individuals can get a driver's license in the USA, but only in some states and under certain circumstances. Currently, 16 states and the District of Columbia allow undocumented people to obtain driver’s licenses ¹ ² ³:

- California
- Colorado
- Connecticut
- Delaware
- Hawaii
- Illinois
- Maryland
- Nevada
- New Jersey
- New Mexico
- New York
- Oregon
- Utah
- Vermont
- Virginia
- Washington

Each state has its own process and requirements for obtaining a driver's license, and undocumented individuals may need to provide alternative documentation, such as a foreign passport or consular card, to prove their identity and residency ². 

 

I stand corrected, then.  Some can get them.

However, they will show up in the database as ineligible to vote.