Safeguard American Voter Eligibility (SAVE) Act opposed by Democrats

[godnodog]

2 hours ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

How hard would it be to prove citizenship? 
Provide a social security number? Birth certificate? Passport? 

yeap, this is silly in 21st century 

[acidhead]

17 minutes ago, Kenemet said:

I stand corrected, then.  Some can get them.

However, they will show up in the database as ineligible to vote.

Yeah, that's what I'm seeing as well while searching for clarity.  

In the United States, the process of voter registration is managed by each state, and rules vary. Some states have automatic voter registration (AVR) laws, while others require voters to opt-in.

Under AVR, eligible citizens are automatically registered to vote when they interact with certain government agencies, such as the Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV). However, the DMV and election officials are supposed to verify eligibility before registering someone to vote.

Ineligible individuals, such as non-citizens or felons, are not supposed to be automatically registered. But, errors can occur, and some states have reported instances of ineligible voters being registered.

To prevent mistakes, states use various checks, like:

- Citizenship verification
- ID requirements
- Database cross-checks

Still, errors can happen due to:

- Data entry mistakes
- Outdated records
- Lack of verification

If you're concerned about voter registration accuracy, check with your state's election office or DMV to learn more about their specific processes and safeguards.

Edited July 10 by acidhead

[Occupational Hubris]

3 hours ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

Isn’t Social Security issued to you for free?

It is, but it's excitedly difficult to get. You need ID, yes... but to get a state ID you several other forms of ID to prove it's you... such as  SSN card... to get a SSN card you need an ID... ad infinitum.

Not to mention the 3 or 4 hours in the middle of the work day the SSN office is open with 300 people waiting...

[Golden Duck]

2 hours ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

Saying “there will be violence if …” does not endorse or encourage that violence, unless saying “HAMAS wants to kill Jews” is endorsing them killing Jews, or saying “Putin will bomb Kyiv” is endorsing Putin. 

I guess terrorists don't endorse violence.  Violence will happen if demands aren't met.

[Golden Duck]

3 hours ago, HerNibs said:

Regarding an illegal that is allowed to vote in local elections and preventing them from voting in federal elections.

It should be easy to separate. Emphasis on should.

Most election systems today provide a ballot to an individual based on their address. The ballot they get should only have election races and questions that they are eligible. Guy in San Fran won’t get the races/questions for San Diego.

It should be very easy to set a restriction on if a person has been confirmed as a citizen. I know it could be done on the system in our county. I say “should” because I don’t know all systems.

Nibs

What is this REAL ID that nobody has mentioned.

As an Australian maybe a US citizen could explain how this works, and how a driver's licence with Federal limitations would be accepted at the ballot?

[Gromdor]

Why wife has a REAL ID driver's license but is not a citizen and can't vote.  The 400+ illegals that were busted at Postville here in Iowa had fake Social Security numbers provided to them by their employers. That just leaves birth certificates- which have no photo ID on them.  So just how are we going to check citizenship?

The Republicans don't trust a computer to count votes but they want to trust one to verfiy citizenship?  And to do these changes just months away from the election?  

[+HerNibs]

50 minutes ago, Golden Duck said:

What is this REAL ID that nobody has mentioned.

As an Australian maybe a US citizen could explain how this works, and how a driver's licence with Federal limitations would be accepted at the ballot?

REAL ID isn’t proof of citizenship. Non-citizens can get one for specific lengths of time.

https://www.dhs.gov/real-id/real-id-faqs

Maybe I’m tired but I’m not sure what you mean about a license with federal limitations.

Nibs

 

[+HerNibs]

23 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

Why wife has a REAL ID driver's license but is not a citizen and can't vote.  The 400+ illegals that were busted at Postville here in Iowa had fake Social Security numbers provided to them by their employers. That just leaves birth certificates- which have no photo ID on them.  So just how are we going to check citizenship?

The Republicans don't trust a computer to count votes but they want to trust one to verfiy citizenship?  And to do these changes just months away from the election?  

They may have had fake socials but if they tried to register to vote ALL the information is bumped against MANY databases. Including Social Security. SSN if provided must match dob, full name, addresses, etc. Otherwise they are flagged and investigated and possibly turned over to law enforcement.

Nibs

[Gromdor]

2 minutes ago, HerNibs said:

They may have had fake socials but if they tried to register to vote ALL the information is bumped against MANY databases. Including Social Security. SSN if provided must match dob, full name, addresses, etc. Otherwise they are flagged and investigated and possibly turned over to law enforcement.

Nibs

Illegals don't vote- it would draw attention to themselves and their illegal status.  It's already against the law.  

Edit to add:  It's a Republican fantasy problem.

Edited July 11 by Gromdor

[Occupational Hubris]

10 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

Illegals don't vote- it would draw attention to themselves and their illegal status.  It's already against the law.  

Edit to add:  It's a Republican fantasy problem.

Just like illegal immigration 

[psyche101]

It's a republican dog whistle.

Getting Maga ready for another stolen election insurrection if trump loses. 

It's a backup plan. And it's firing up people for the election. 

[Golden Duck]

28 minutes ago, HerNibs said:

REAL ID isn’t proof of citizenship. Non-citizens can get one for specific lengths of time.

https://www.dhs.gov/real-id/real-id-faqs

Maybe I’m tired but I’m not sure what you mean about a license with federal limitations.

Nibs

 

The licence will be marked with a phrase.

Quote

Because your license will likely bear the message “FEDERAL LIMITS APPLY” or another similar phrase, the official may infer your undocumented status and refer you to immigration enforcement authorities.

https://www.immigrationhelp.org/learning-center/drivers-licenses-for-immigrants

[Agent0range]

5 hours ago, and-then said:

What part of post# 3 is inaccurate?  When individual States allow those with only a driver's license to be eligible to vote and they also issue driver's licenses to illegals, it seems those states don't give a damn about Federal Law and DC proves time and again they are unwilling to intervene.  

No state allows only a drivers license to be eligible to vote.  To register to vote in federal elections requires a social security number.

[Golden Duck]

11 minutes ago, psyche101 said:

It's a republican dog whistle.

Getting Maga ready for another stolen election insurrection if trump loses. 

It's a backup plan. And it's firing up people for the election. 

 

11 minutes ago, psyche101 said:

It's a republican dog whistle.

Getting Maga ready for another stolen election insurrection if trump loses. 

It's a backup plan. And it's firing up people for the election. 

It seems redundant and if the Senate won't pass it'll be a Democrat conspiracy.

Edited July 11 by Golden Duck

[Agent0range]

3 hours ago, acidhead said:

 

Still, errors can happen due to:

- Data entry mistakes
- Outdated records
- Lack of verification

 

Errors can happen, yes.  But what are the odds of the error occurring and then the person voting illegally?  

[Occupational Hubris]

Pretty much all convicted voter fraud comes from republicans, anyway 

[psyche101]

3 hours ago, Occupational Hubris said:

Pretty much all convicted voter fraud comes from republicans, anyway 

Not surprising when their candidate is a convicted felon I suppose. 

What is surprising is that any people would go along with that. 

 

Edited July 11 by psyche101

[Portre]

16 hours ago, acidhead said:

Here's a screenshot I just took of the House vote earlier today  

 

It is already illegal for noncitizens to vote in federal elections. What part of this statement don't you understand? 

[Portre]

13 hours ago, Gromdor said:

That just leaves birth certificates- which have no photo ID on them

Photo ID on birth certificates would have a very limited period of usefulness.

[Gromdor]

10 hours ago, Occupational Hubris said:

Pretty much all convicted voter fraud comes from republicans, anyway 

Jimmy Klass fits this topic pretty well:

Florida man stunned to learn he's not a US citizen after voting, paying taxes for over 60 years (nypost.com)

[Portre]

18 hours ago, Michelle said:

Republicans, including Texas Rep. Chip Roy who introduced the bill, say the measure is necessary to ensure foreign nationals, who are permitted to vote in local elections in some states, are removed from federal voter rolls.

Also, there are no "federal voter rolls". Voter registration is by state, following federal laws, which currently prohibit noncitizens from voting in federal elections.

[Zebra3]

 

[Zebra3]

 

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[Robotic Jew]

19 hours ago, and-then said:

What part of post# 3 is inaccurate?  When individual States allow those with only a driver's license to be eligible to vote and they also issue driver's licenses to illegals, it seems those states don't give a damn about Federal Law and DC proves time and again they are unwilling to intervene.  

False. Having a DL does not permit somebody who is not a citizen to vote.

 

 

[Setton]

1 hour ago, Zebra3 said:

 

So what ID can people get in the US that would meet the requirements and is free?

Because if you can't name them, she's right. It's tantamount to a poll tax.