Should Biden step aside?

[+OverSword]

Should he?

Will he?

[+and-then]

It looks like he has gone into "stubborn old man" mode and the Dems have a real problem on their hands.  They can spend some more time trying to get the message across to Jill and Hunter and maybe they can guarantee them enough of a payoff$ that they will finally tell Joe he's gotta go, but until they do, they seem stuck with an anvil tied to the neck of every one of them down-ticket.  I saw a TYT video earlier and Cenk once again made a good point.  If they continue to escalate against papa Joe for too long then he can just say he lost because their trash talk damaged his campaign too much.  

[+OverSword]

I said he should not and that he will.  My reasoning is I think it's too late in the game to get a candidate on the democrats side that will be inspirational and defeat trump so why bother to pull him?  But I think there is so much democratic call for him to step down that he will cave to the pressure.

[Grim Reaper 6]

1 hour ago, OverSword said:

I said he should not and that he will.  My reasoning is I think it's too late in the game to get a candidate on the democrats side that will be inspirational and defeat trump so why bother to pull him?  But I think there is so much democratic call for him to step down that he will cave to the pressure.

Great post I certainly agree, it’s far late to get rid of him

[Gromdor]

They both should have stepped aside.  

[the13bats]

34 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

They both should have stepped aside.  

The winner!

[the13bats]

2 hours ago, and-then said:

It looks like he has gone into "stubborn old man" mode and the Dems have a real problem on their hands.  They can spend some more time trying to get the message across to Jill and Hunter and maybe they can guarantee them enough of a payoff$ that they will finally tell Joe he's gotta go, but until they do, they seem stuck with an anvil tied to the neck of every one of them down-ticket.  I saw a TYT video earlier and Cenk once again made a good point.  If they continue to escalate against papa Joe for too long then he can just say he lost because their trash talk damaged his campaign too much.  

Or cry election frauds with zero proof.

[Occupational Hubris]

36 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

They both should have stepped aside.  

It absolutely pathetic that these two are our choices this year 

[+DieChecker]

I voted same as majority...

He should step aside, but i predict he wont. Not on his own.

It seems apparent going back into 2023 that Biden and his stsff were... ARE... out of touch with the reality of their situation. Poll denial. Claims of wins that were not wins. Claims things would turn around....

Hes bought into his own staffs propoganda that he's some kind of a savior, or chosen one. He once was a very good politician, but IMHO, not anymore. He can barely read what has been written for him. Barely string together several stories.

[acidhead]

I answered Yes he should step aside for a multitude of obvious reasons. 

And didn't answer the second question because I have no idea if he will or not. 

[Robotic Jew]

10 hours ago, Occupational Hubris said:

It absolutely pathetic that these two are our choices this year 

And maybe out last two choices ever...

[+OverSword]

He's late for this.

Edited July 11 by OverSword

[+OverSword]

Doesn't sound like this is him quitting

[+Razman]

Well he's got a lot of bad press about his abilities with his age. This has put a lot of pressure on him with the media scrutinizing every little thing he says or does, enough to make him really nervous no doubt.  I would prefer at this point that he step aside , however the replacements are limited at this point in time , they should have done it a long time ago. Still if they can get somebody decent in there , Trump would be done and heading back to Mara Lago for some golf IMO.

Edited July 11 by Razman

[+OverSword]

4 minutes ago, Razman said:

Well he's got a lot of bad press about his abilities with his age. This has put a lot of pressure on him with the media scrutinizing every little thing he says or does, enough to make him really nervous no doubt.  I would prefer at this point that he step aside , however the replacements are limited at this point in time , they should have done it a long time ago. Still if they can get somebody decent in there , Trump would be done and heading back to Mara Lago for some golf IMO.

I think if he quit whoever ran against trump would only hurt their future chances when they inevitably lose.   

[+Razman]

8 minutes ago, OverSword said:

I think if he quit whoever ran against trump would only hurt their future chances when they inevitably lose.   

Well it's good to see you give Trump so much credit. IMO the people see what Trump is really about and what he has done and it won't get by so easily. Of course , again it would make a difference who it is running.

Edited July 12 by Razman

[+Razman]

So i didn't get to see the press conference , was it good or bad? Did anyone see?

[Gertdoggy]

32 minutes ago, Razman said:

So i didn't get to see the press conference , was it good or bad? Did anyone see?

It was bad, real bad and hard to watch. Wasn't a press conference either. Questions setup and pre written answers but that didn't matter, was just a mess start to finish.

[Myles]

He should if the Democrats want to win.  I don't think it is too late at all.  People are "jonesing" for a viable candidate.  

[DarkHunter]

5 minutes ago, Myles said:

He should if the Democrats want to win.  I don't think it is too late at all.  People are "jonesing" for a viable candidate.  

The issue is the funds the campaign raised.  The only other person who can touch them is Kamala, who isn't going to realistically be able to win with her unpopularity.

That would leave the Democrats with two options. 

First would be to turn the campaign into a PAC but then that would cap their donation limit to the new campaign to I believe $3,300 to $5,000 depending on stuff I am not going to bother to check. 

The second option would be to refund the approximately $180 million the Biden campaign has raised and hope the donors will redonate to whoever the Democrats pick.  With that amount of funds refunding will take a while and given thar there is like 116 days till the election it is questionable if everything would be done fast enough for it to matter.

The fighting that would also take place over who would be the new candidate would also be a massive problem.

[Agent0range]

39 minutes ago, DarkHunter said:

The issue is the funds the campaign raised.  The only other person who can touch them is Kamala, who isn't going to realistically be able to win with her unpopularity.

That would leave the Democrats with two options. 

First would be to turn the campaign into a PAC but then that would cap their donation limit to the new campaign to I believe $3,300 to $5,000 depending on stuff I am not going to bother to check. 

The second option would be to refund the approximately $180 million the Biden campaign has raised and hope the donors will redonate to whoever the Democrats pick.  With that amount of funds refunding will take a while and given thar there is like 116 days till the election it is questionable if everything would be done fast enough for it to matter.

The fighting that would also take place over who would be the new candidate would also be a massive problem.

This is that same stupid thing AND THEN tried to say.  It is false.  The money has been donated to Super Pacs, which should be illegal anyway, and not to Biden directly.  So whatever amount you believe, believe it.  You are incorrect.  

[DarkHunter]

9 minutes ago, Agent0range said:

This is that same stupid thing AND THEN tried to say.  It is false.  The money has been donated to Super Pacs, which should be illegal anyway, and not to Biden directly.  So whatever amount you believe, believe it.  You are incorrect.  

I do love to rib your nose in things and prove you wrong.

"If Biden were to withdraw from the race, the handling of his campaign funds would depend on the circumstances and Federal Election Commission (FEC) regulations.

According to campaign finance experts, if US Vice President Kamala Harris were to become the Democratic nominee, she could access and control both the primary and general election funds that Biden’s campaign has collected.

Harris is listed on FEC filings for both Biden’s statement of candidacy and his campaign account’s statement of organisation, making her eligible to use these funds if she continues with the campaign.

If the Democratic Party were to nominate a completely new set of presidential candidates, the primary and general election funds would be treated differently. In such a case, the Biden campaign could convert its funds into a political action committee (PAC) or refund the general election money to donors. The FEC would make the final determination on fund allocation."

https://www.firstpost.com/explainers/us-presidential-election-as-donors-pressurise-biden-to-drop-out-what-happens-to-the-millions-he-raised-13791827.html/amp

"The process becomes more complicated if someone other than Harris were to replace Biden: his campaign would first need to repay all of its vendors, and if the campaign ended before their parties’ respective conventions, where they officially select a nominee, they would have to refund all contributions designated to be used in the general election, elections lawyer Brett Kappel told Forbes."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/saradorn/2024/07/09/what-happens-to-bidens-campaign-cash-if-he-drops-out/

You going to apologize and admit you are in fact wrong and have been wrong or do what you normally do and ignore everything that proves you wrong.

Let's be honest everyone knows you will ignore everything that proves you wrong and you will probably double down on insults and personnel attacks since you can't stand to be proven wrong.

Edited July 12 by DarkHunter

[+and-then]

On 7/10/2024 at 8:47 PM, the13bats said:

Or cry election frauds with zero proof.

Just watch for our next response to the media-zombies like yourself.  No more arguing or even trying to discuss.  If that senile old man is installed under the same kind of "irregularities" we saw in 2020, a huge number of Americans are going to drop out and start making seperate plans.  No need for violence unless DC tries to stomp on a legal movement.

[Agent0range]

4 minutes ago, DarkHunter said:

I do love to rib your nose in things and prove you wrong.

"If Biden were to withdraw from the race, the handling of his campaign funds would depend on the circumstances and Federal Election Commission (FEC) regulations.

According to campaign finance experts, if US Vice President Kamala Harris were to become the Democratic nominee, she could access and control both the primary and general election funds that Biden’s campaign has collected.

Harris is listed on FEC filings for both Biden’s statement of candidacy and his campaign account’s statement of organisation, making her eligible to use these funds if she continues with the campaign.

If the Democratic Party were to nominate a completely new set of presidential candidates, the primary and general election funds would be treated differently. In such a case, the Biden campaign could convert its funds into a political action committee (PAC) or refund the general election money to donors. The FEC would make the final determination on fund allocation."

https://www.firstpost.com/explainers/us-presidential-election-as-donors-pressurise-biden-to-drop-out-what-happens-to-the-millions-he-raised-13791827.html/amp

"The process becomes more complicated if someone other than Harris were to replace Biden: his campaign would first need to repay all of its vendors, and if the campaign ended before their parties’ respective conventions, where they officially select a nominee, they would have to refund all contributions designated to be used in the general election, elections lawyer Brett Kappel told Forbes."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/saradorn/2024/07/09/what-happens-to-bidens-campaign-cash-if-he-drops-out/

You going to apologize and admit you are in fact wrong and have been wrong or do what you normally do and ignore everything that proves you wrong.

Let's be honest everyone knows you will ignore everything that proves you wrong and you will probably double down on insults and personnel attacks since you can't stand to be proven wrong.

Ahh, and there's the rub.  What funds were designated to be used in the "general election" and not to Democrat Super Pacs?  There's a stipulation for a reason, and you know as well as I do that the majority of the money isn't donated under a stipulation. 

[Agent0range]

5 minutes ago, and-then said:

Just watch for our next response to the media-zombies like yourself.  No more arguing or even trying to discuss.  If that senile old man is installed under the same kind of "irregularities" we saw in 2020, a huge number of Americans are going to drop out and start making seperate plans.  No need for violence unless DC tries to stomp on a legal movement.

The irregularities you saw in 2020 that you said Sydney Powell would provide evidence of, and if she didn't, you'd leave the forum?  Stop talking.  You're a sad little man, that was a zombie controlled by whatever Rudy and Trump told you.  You had a moment of clarity, where you admitted if THE KRAKEN couldn't provide evidence, you were out.  She didn't.  But the infection ran deep in you.  You completely disregarded what you said would have convinced you otherwise, and doubled down.  You're the person that is media controlled.  I am court controlled.  Care to question that?