DarkHunter Posted July 12 #26 Share Posted July 12 1 minute ago, Agent0range said: Ahh, and there's the rub. What funds were designated to be used in the "general election" and not to Democrat Super Pacs? There's a stipulation for a reason, and you know as well as I do that the majority of the money isn't donated under a stipulation. Playing word games now. You can twist and turn words as much as you wany as you desperately try not to be wrong but the reality is a large portion of money would need to be refunded if Biden drops out and Kamala isn't picked. Must be rough having such a fragile ego you got to play word games to keep from being wrong, even then you play them so badly. https://www.opensecrets.org/2024-presidential-race Candidate committee money for Biden is about $231 million and outside money is about $159 million. Since I know you will play more stupid games https://www.opensecrets.org/outside-spending Super pacs fall under outside money. If there is a switch approximately 60% of the total raised funds would need to be refunded if Kamala isn't the nominee. You going to apologize, slink off, or continue in your desperate attempt to not be wrong but everyone knows you will pick the third option. 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the13bats Posted July 12 #27 Share Posted July 12 28 minutes ago, and-then said: Just watch for our next response to the media-zombies like yourself. No more arguing or even trying to discuss. If that senile old man is installed under the same kind of "irregularities" we saw in 2020, a huge number of Americans are going to drop out and start making seperate plans. No need for violence unless DC tries to stomp on a legal movement. I feel like you are an intelligent fellow yet you just don't ever grasp I don't tune into any media I haven't even owned a TV since I moved 8 years ago, 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted July 12 #28 Share Posted July 12 1 minute ago, the13bats said: I feel like you are an intelligent fellow yet you just don't ever grasp I don't tune into any media I haven't even owned a TV since I moved 8 years ago, Oh, I forgot, it's impossible to follow propaganda online, what was I thinking? I stopped watching TV around that same time. It was just too painful to watch our nation dying before my eyes. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted July 12 #29 Share Posted July 12 As to the funds... Wouldn't all they have to do is retain Kamala as the VP? She could than sign for all the spending. Whomever took over as Presidential Candidate B, could than move on as normal. I've heard Gretchin Whitmer is already in DC going around having meetings and shaking hands. Gavin Newsome is getting a lot of talk, but really.... California?? The state is falling into the Pacific things are so bad there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted July 12 #30 Share Posted July 12 4 hours ago, OverSword said: He's late for this. I still have to watch. Will do it after the kids go to bed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the13bats Posted July 12 #31 Share Posted July 12 1 minute ago, and-then said: Oh, I forgot, it's impossible to follow propaganda online, what was I thinking? I stopped watching TV around that same time. It was just too painful to watch our nation dying before my eyes. I agree. It was horrible convicted felon man divided this country like never before he cost countless extra lives with his bumbling incompetent covid response, he then goes further insists a failed insurrection and so on. Don't get the wrong idea I'm not for Biden either, it's so depressing those two are all we have Anyhoo I hope you get feeling better. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the13bats Posted July 12 #32 Share Posted July 12 3 hours ago, Razman said: So i didn't get to see the press conference , was it good or bad? Did anyone see? I read about it a bit after I came to this thread from andthem addressing me, Biden mucked up he called the veep tRump, yeah, no kidding he had a couple other such flubs, I see why Dems want him to step down, I doubt he will, of course magaT are on their knees praying to all things orange Biden will step down as they know convicted felon man will loose to him yet again and can you just imagine how that would sting , far worse than losing pop vote to hilly. Idk what will happen but like the last two I wish it was done. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkHunter Posted July 12 #33 Share Posted July 12 7 minutes ago, DieChecker said: As to the funds... Wouldn't all they have to do is retain Kamala as the VP? She could than sign for all the spending. Whomever took over as Presidential Candidate B, could than move on as normal. I've heard Gretchin Whitmer is already in DC going around having meetings and shaking hands. Gavin Newsome is getting a lot of talk, but really.... California?? The state is falling into the Pacific things are so bad there. From what I understand that could maybe work but would be very unlikely. Basically the funds are under the Biden campaign but Kamala's name is also on the official forms so she has access to the money. So if Biden steps down the funds are still part of his campaign. Whoever becomes the next presidential nominee would be the start of a new campaign, even if it is Kamala it would still be a new campaign, but the only person who can touch the funds from the Biden campaign is Kamala. In theory if Kamala would accept to be the VP of another candidate she could access the funds of the Biden campaign but why would she ever agree to that when she would be the sole person with access to approximately $231 million. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted July 12 Author #34 Share Posted July 12 14 hours ago, Razman said: Well it's good to see you give Trump so much credit. IMO the people see what Trump is really about and what he has done and it won't get by so easily. Of course , again it would make a difference who it is running. Like it or not trump is popular and will likely win even if biden is replaced because they only have a couple of months to campaign and there is nobody in the democratic party that is very inspirational that I'm aware of. https://elections2024.thehill.com/forecast/2024/president/?utm_source=front-page-widget&utm_medium=referral 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted July 12 #35 Share Posted July 12 More bad news for Joe... White House guests recount concerns after seeing Biden weeks before debate (msn.com) Quote Together, the individuals ABC News spoke with -- which include state lawmakers and a former Obama White House official -- described Biden at the event as "aloof" and "stiff" and his speech as "garbled." ... ... "Having seen him on the debate stage, it was characteristic of what I witnessed that evening at the White House," Reynolds told ABC News. "Unfortunately, it reminded me that it was maybe not a one-off or just a bad night." It's like the Me Too break. Now everyone and their dog is coming out with stories about how Biden is like this every day, and his staff have to beg, threaten, and strongarm, people into going along with covering it up. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted July 12 #36 Share Posted July 12 At least his new conference seemed to mostly go OK, according to leftist sources. What Biden’s news conference did, and didn’t, clear up (msn.com) Quote Then, by the time the NATO press conference drew near, leaks suggested that, even if it went well, it might not help him much. Axios’s Andrew Solender reported that House Democrats were poised to issue “a flood of new statements urging Joe Biden to exit the 2024 race” no matter how the presser went. Margaret Brennan of CBS News said that “dozens” of such statements from lawmakers were expected in a pre-planned coordinated effort and that a source predicted that, by next week, Biden would find it untenable to stay on the ticket. His main goof was calling Kamala "VP Trump". Which I heard a clip of, and he didn't even slow down on that one. Not sure it's going to actually accomplish any Damage Control, as the list of Legislators, Celebrities, and Money Donors, that are raising against him, continues to increase and not decrease. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zebra3 Posted July 12 #37 Share Posted July 12 Yes, he should so Vice President Trump can take the wheel. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zebra3 Posted July 12 #38 Share Posted July 12 I really hope he stays in the race. Comedic heaven. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edumakated Posted July 12 #39 Share Posted July 12 20 minutes ago, DieChecker said: More bad news for Joe... White House guests recount concerns after seeing Biden weeks before debate (msn.com) It's like the Me Too break. Now everyone and their dog is coming out with stories about how Biden is like this every day, and his staff have to beg, threaten, and strongarm, people into going along with covering it up. The thing that frustrated me is the lack of self reflection and accountability from the left. People were saying Biden was too old and feeble back in 2020. Remember, Democrats kept him hidden in his basement most the campaign. Then after the election, he has held few press conferences and when he did, they were always highly scripted. It is pretty obvious that Joe has declined A LOT since 2020 and he definitely wasn't spry then. Very few on the left are asking for accountability from the administration and the media which has worked over time the past four years to cover up Joe's condition. They have outright lied to the public and accused anyone pointing out Joe's condition as showing edited videos and deep fakes or then respond "but Trump". Remember, special counsel Hur said Joe was incapable of standing trial for this classified documents investigation and the left was apoplectic. Of course, the DOJ won't release the tapes of his interviews because they know it will show Joe's been half dead since at least then. Now that they cannot possible hide it anymore, they want to act all shocked like they didn't have any roll in this fiasco. The big question I have is why the Democrat power brokers weren't planning to replace Joe (or maybe they already have a grand plan)? They knew he was in the condition so I can't imagine they thought they could continue to hide it. Or maybe they thought Joe would be a good figure head for the real people running the country behind the scenes but Joe's condition worsened faster than they thought. I mean the question everyone should be asking is not if Joe is up for four more years, but who in the heck is running the country now? It certainly isn't Joe. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katniss Posted July 12 #40 Share Posted July 12 32 minutes ago, Edumakated said: I mean the question everyone should be asking is not if Joe is up for four more years, but who in the heck is running the country now? It certainly isn't Joe. It's Jill Biden, Kamala Harris, and Douglas Emhoff of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenemet Posted July 12 #41 Share Posted July 12 1 hour ago, DieChecker said: At least his new conference seemed to mostly go OK, according to leftist sources. What Biden’s news conference did, and didn’t, clear up (msn.com) His main goof was calling Kamala "VP Trump". Which I heard a clip of, and he didn't even slow down on that one. Not sure it's going to actually accomplish any Damage Control, as the list of Legislators, Celebrities, and Money Donors, that are raising against him, continues to increase and not decrease. And yet they're largely silent about Trumlp's flubs and goofs and outright fabrication. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unusual Tournament Posted July 12 #42 Share Posted July 12 On 7/11/2024 at 9:41 AM, OverSword said: I said he should not and that he will. My reasoning is I think it's too late in the game to get a candidate on the democrats side that will be inspirational and defeat trump so why bother to pull him? But I think there is so much democratic call for him to step down that he will cave to the pressure. It’s not too late to step aside for the right candidate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenemet Posted July 12 #43 Share Posted July 12 56 minutes ago, Zebra3 said: Yes, he should so Vice President Trump can take the wheel. What is more telling (yes, I know... whataboutism) is the reactions from Trump's team when he flubs names and goes off on tales of imaginary men coming up to him with "tears in their eyes". But what we're really voting for is the administration that will be put into place with the new president. And I REALLY don't like Trump's current suggested choices and heartily disliked the oligarchs he put into place during his previous administration. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptor Witness Posted July 12 #44 Share Posted July 12 I suspect President Biden’s campaign was likely finished in December of 2023, when he couldn’t take the advice I gave him. I didn’t understand it at the time, nor do I claim to have understood. He’s trapped, it seems, as are we all, until the 5th of November. As Spock would say …. “fascinating.” Source Post #132 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edumakated Posted July 12 #45 Share Posted July 12 12 minutes ago, Kenemet said: And yet they're largely silent about Trumlp's flubs and goofs and outright fabrication. Silent? Are you serious? Every word Trump utters is analyzed and frequently purposely taken way out of context by media and pundits. If the media and pundits examined Biden with the same fervor, we wouldn't be in the situation now with Weekend at Bidens. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted July 12 Author #46 Share Posted July 12 25 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said: It’s not too late to step aside for the right candidate. Can not think of one inspiring democrat with clout that could step up for that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setton Posted July 12 #47 Share Posted July 12 6 minutes ago, OverSword said: Can not think of one inspiring democrat with clout that could step up for that. Are you really suggesting Americans are so shallow they'd vote for "convicted felon, sexual assaulter, known liar, friendly with US enemies and tries to dismantle the democratic system" over "bland unknown" just because they've heard of the first one? Sadly you're probably right 🙄 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted July 12 Author #48 Share Posted July 12 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Setton said: Are you really suggesting Americans are so shallow they'd vote for "convicted felon, sexual assaulter, known liar, friendly with US enemies and tries to dismantle the democratic system" over "bland unknown" just because they've heard of the first one? Sadly you're probably right 🙄 Yes. Presidential elections are essentially a popularity contest and trump for whatever reason is popular. I don't see a vast anti trump movement manifesting this time around. Time will tell and I may be wrong. IMO if it were about issues my candidate would be the front runner. The brainwashed masses have been told that what we represent is anarchy or even fascism and that's as deep as they will look. https://www.votechaseoliver.com/platform Edited July 12 by OverSword 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted July 12 #49 Share Posted July 12 3 hours ago, Kenemet said: And yet they're largely silent about Trumlp's flubs and goofs and outright fabrication. True. Of basically everyone. Trump lying doesnt sell "clicks", gain "views", or "reposts", but Biden going senile does, it seems. Captalism. Even the level of our scandals are driven by media greed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Razman Posted July 12 #50 Share Posted July 12 4 hours ago, Edumakated said: Silent? Are you serious? Every word Trump utters is analyzed and frequently purposely taken way out of context by media and pundits. If the media and pundits examined Biden with the same fervor, we wouldn't be in the situation now with Weekend at Bidens. I work in the field and came across an AM radio station today and it was a couple guys that are anti Biden generally , i think it was the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show, and they even interviewed Trump , and though he talks a little faster , he still was stumbling words , stopping mid sentence and jumping to a different train of thought , pausing and correcting words and so forth. They also had a guy from the Heritage foundation on and he was doing some of the same thing, not as bad as trump , but still repeating words and stuttering a bit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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