CrimsonKing Posted July 17 #101 Share Posted July 17 https://nypost.com/2024/07/17/us-news/rep-adam-schiff-becomes-21st-democrat-to-call-for-bidens-ouster/ "Shifty" must be a "magaT" now days 😆 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted July 17 #102 Share Posted July 17 Bad polling for Joe too... https://www.axios.com/2024/07/17/democrats-biden-drop-out-2024 Quote A whopping 65% of Democrats believe President Biden should withdraw from the 2024 presidential race and let the party pick a different nominee, according to an AP-Norc poll out Wednesday. Joe.... You're losing them... Its getting worse each week. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted July 18 #103 Share Posted July 18 8 hours ago, DieChecker said: Bad polling for Joe too... https://www.axios.com/2024/07/17/democrats-biden-drop-out-2024 Joe.... You're losing them... Its getting worse each week. I heard 67% on the news last night........ But really, with the song and dance going on at the moment it's to be expected. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted July 18 #104 Share Posted July 18 (edited) 23 hours ago, DieChecker said: From who? Neo nazi fringers? Maybe at first by old people, and closet racists. Quite a few post here. There's half a dozen or so right wing rabid posters that really trash him. To be honest I hadn't heard bad things till I read them here. Some comments just sound racist. But then again, most of the comments from those posters do. So yeah, that's probably an apt description come to think of it 23 hours ago, DieChecker said: Mostly, IMHO, Obama got hammered because of his very unpopular Obamacare signature legislation. Conservatives hated the law. Officially the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act right? Did it benefit people overall? My impression is taxes were raised in the upper brackets to help lower income brackets. Is that correct? 23 hours ago, DieChecker said: That and the "militarizing the IRS" thing. There did seem to be a little bit of "there" there. Never really understood that either. Again, my understanding is the final investigation revealed that liberal and conservatives were targeted and overall the goal was to oust tax cheats was it not? If that's anywhere near the mark it sounds like a good thing? 23 hours ago, DieChecker said: Also the level of rejection of bipartisanism during his administration. He had a Democrat Congress at first, and gave the finger to the Republicans constantly. So when the Rs got into power, they flipped the finger back at him. And the bitterness continues to this day. This sounds more like the impression I get. It's more personal than anything. 23 hours ago, DieChecker said: Biden in 2020 said hed end the fueding, but didnt. He made it worse. Could that be because he didn't expect Trump to reemerge? Trump's a natural catalyst to unrest. 23 hours ago, DieChecker said: Lots of reasons to dislike Obama regardless of his skin. The rabid Republicans that post here really sound personal. Just bitchy as opposed to constructive criticism. Edited July 18 by psyche101 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acidhead Posted July 18 #105 Share Posted July 18 "the black man" Biden doesn't remember the name of his Defense Secretary He calls him "uh the black man" 81 million votes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acidhead Posted July 18 #106 Share Posted July 18 Progressive Liberals policies end up, more often than not, creating other unintended consequences. The good cop/bad cop approach to parenting/governing always results in the perpetrator gravitating towards the good cop when there are no consequences for your actions and then even more unintended, but predictable, consequences result. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted July 18 #107 Share Posted July 18 33 minutes ago, acidhead said: "the black man" Biden doesn't remember the name of his Defense Secretary He calls him "uh the black man" 81 million votes Was that today? Hes forgotten his name like twice before. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted July 18 #108 Share Posted July 18 19 minutes ago, acidhead said: Progressive Liberals policies end up, more often than not, creating other unintended consequences. The good cop/bad cop approach to parenting/governing always results in the perpetrator gravitating towards the good cop when there are no consequences for your actions and then even more unintended, but predictable, consequences result. Though it might really be true we need more social workers, AFAIK, few if any of the "Defund the Police" actions taken in major cities were successful. In Portland they defunded the police, and crimes shot up to record numbers. And no social worker program ever got started. Though the first was to pay for the second. What happened was ultimately police funding was increased, and providing social workers was dropped. Same for the legal drug use laws. They required people ticketed for drug use to either pay a fine, or agree to very, very basic treatment. Every one agreed to treatment. But less than 5% actually followed through. With no consequences. Thus, PUBLIC drug abuse shot through the roof. Things that were still a crime, such as dealing, were ignored also. It was horrible. Democrats mean well, but rather than helping heal issues, they enable them. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted July 18 #109 Share Posted July 18 1 hour ago, psyche101 said: Quite a few post here. There's half a dozen or so right wing rabid posters that really trash him. To be honest I hadn't heard bad things till I read them here. Some comments just sound racist. But then again, most of the comments from those posters do. So yeah, that's probably an apt description come to think of it Im not sure half a dozen. But there are certainly several who are way into the CT side of things. Quote Officially the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act right? Did it benefit people overall? My impression is taxes were raised in the upper brackets to help lower income brackets. Is that correct? It actually was a scandal because the Act forced those who had no insurance to pay a tax fine. Which heavily targeted the poorest people. Which was to help pay for the government insurance expense. Fine was ultimately dropped. Which made much of the Act unpaid for. So essentially, those who could not afford insurance (the poor) were taxed to pay for those just well off enough to buy insurance (middle class). Nowhere did it target the rich to pay for the poor. Created crap insurance policies, that included all kinds of nonessential stuff. Made a lot of people with "chose your own policy" to be forced to buy the more expensive, less useful, but inclusive, insurance. Its true a percentage was really helped. Like 5% or something. But a slightly greater percentage, maybe like 7%, ended up paying more. The rich were unaffected. Quote Never really understood that either. Again, my understanding is the final investigation revealed that liberal and conservatives were targeted and overall the goal was to oust tax cheats was it not? If that's anywhere near the mark it sounds like a good thing? From what I remember, the result was that, indeed, marginally more Conservative organizations were targeted than Liberal organizations. And so the accusation was "Partially True". I believe someone had to fall on their sword for the perceived problem. It was mostly about "tax exempt" status. Where more of the conservative requests were deemed to not fit the regulations. Which could easily have been true, but looked like bias statistically. Quote Could that be because he didn't expect Trump to reemerge? I dont personally think so. I think the "Woke Left" helped get him elected, and he ended up surrounded by Woke advisors, and leaned on them heavily. Thus his Administration is much further left than Joe has historically been as an individual. A fault of Biden in his choice of aids and advisors. Which, in part, has led him to where he is now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Horta Posted July 18 #110 Share Posted July 18 On 7/11/2024 at 9:28 AM, OverSword said: Should he? Will he? Seems unlikely anyone will want the job now. Trump's going to win in a landslide. It's one of those ones where no one will even remember who ran against him. Got to give it to him, he has some mettle. That image of him with a bloodied cheek giving a defiant fist pump with ol' glory in the background will be the iconic image of the 21st century. The angle it was taken from was also perfection. Great situational awareness from Trump. Just goes to show you shouldn't judge an orange man because his hands are small lol. So it will be a contest between a senile old man who at times thinks he is the first American black women vice president (lol), has a habit of falling and getting lost on stage and who probably has to have his incontinence pad changed between gigs. Or a badass who rises after being wounded by an assassin with a defiant fist pump while urging his supporters to fight. Which one gives the impression of toughness and leadership qualities? That's a tough one...lol What Americans should really be asking is how, in a country of nearly 260 million adults, many of whom are honest and intelligent and would be extremely good at such a role, how are your ruling class offering a contest between corrupt senile man and corrupt orange man as the only choices? Is this worthy of being called democracy, or is it a system that is corrupt and broken? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acidhead Posted July 18 #111 Share Posted July 18 57 minutes ago, DieChecker said: In Portland they defunded the police, and crimes shot up to record numbers. And no social worker program ever got started. Though the first was to pay for the second. What happened was ultimately police funding was increased, and providing social workers was dropped. Same for the legal drug use laws. They required people ticketed for drug use to either pay a fine, or agree to very, very basic treatment. Every one agreed to treatment. But less than 5% actually followed through. With no consequences. Thus, PUBLIC drug abuse shot through the roof. Things that were still a crime, such as dealing, were ignored also. It was horrible. Democrats mean well, but rather than helping heal issues, they enable them. Portland's experience, you're describing, is pretty much on par with here in downtown Victoria, BC. First responders, firefighters and paramedics, keep getting attacked while trying to help addicts overdosing. It's out of control. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted July 18 #112 Share Posted July 18 1 hour ago, DieChecker said: Was that today? Hes forgotten his name like twice before. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsnotoutthere Posted July 18 #113 Share Posted July 18 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Reaper 6 Posted July 18 #114 Share Posted July 18 1 hour ago, acidhead said: Portland's experience, you're describing, is pretty much on par with here in downtown Victoria, BC. First responders, firefighters and paramedics, keep getting attacked while trying to help addicts overdosing. It's out of control. They need to use a dart gun to deliver Naloxone which reverses the effects of narcotics, shoot them like an animal! 1 hour ago, acidhead said: Portland's experience, you're describing, is pretty much on par with here in downtown Victoria, BC. First responders, firefighters and paramedics, keep getting attacked while trying to help addicts overdosing. It's out of control. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Razman Posted July 18 #115 Share Posted July 18 (edited) 6 hours ago, DieChecker said: Created crap insurance policies, that included all kinds of nonessential stuff. I had it for a while a long time ago , was a much better policy than many. Mainly because you would get a policy thats maybe 7 hundred a month for example and the govt was subsidizing 600 of it. Just as an example. Edited July 18 by Razman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonKing Posted July 18 #116 Share Posted July 18 https://nypost.com/2024/07/18/us-news/biden-pitied-elderly-senator-as-a-poor-son-of-a-b****/ 😆 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonKing Posted July 18 #117 Share Posted July 18 https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/17/politics/nancy-pelosi-biden-conversation/index.html Wow... Once Crazy Nancy starts calling for you to go, something has gone bad wrong 😆 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katniss Posted July 18 #118 Share Posted July 18 (edited) Quote Schumer's team did not immediately respond to a request for comment, but said this about the ABC story: "Unless ABC's source is Senator Chuck Schumer or President Joe Biden the reporting is idle speculation. Leader Schumer conveyed the views of his caucus directly to President Biden on Saturday." Schumer confronted Biden on 2024 presidential race Idle speculation is all they will say? Wow! They are not totally denying it. Um, this is not good when someone like Schumer confronts Biden. So, I think he may have to actually drop out. Edited July 18 by Katniss 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Razman Posted July 18 #119 Share Posted July 18 14 minutes ago, Katniss said: Schumer confronted Biden on 2024 presidential race Idle speculation is all they will say? Wow! They are not totally denying it. Um, this is not good when someone like Schumer confronts Biden. So, I think he may have to actually drop out. IMO he probably should , he got a lot of bad press about his age for quite some time now , not sure if Harris would be a good replacement though , i don't know maybe she gained more experience over the last 4 years or so. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katniss Posted July 18 #120 Share Posted July 18 4 minutes ago, Razman said: IMO he probably should , he got a lot of bad press about his age for quite some time now , not sure if Harris would be a good replacement though , i don't know maybe she gained more experience over the last 4 years or so. I don't think they will have choice but to accept Harris because they will lose the campaign funds they already have if they don't, and they may also loser her supporters. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Razman Posted July 18 #121 Share Posted July 18 41 minutes ago, Katniss said: I don't think they will have choice but to accept Harris because they will lose the campaign funds they already have if they don't, and they may also loser her supporters. Yea i heard that , though maybe they can just refund the donations and those folks can then quickly re donate if they like who is in there , i'm thinkin that if these donors like who is there , they could quickly re fill the donations. Even perhaps find someone real straight forward and serious to run and just keep Kamala on the Vice pres ticket with them. Though i would think their policies on immigration at least need to change, you know , the border issues. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katniss Posted July 18 #122 Share Posted July 18 2 minutes ago, Razman said: Yea i heard that , though maybe they can just refund the donations and those folks can then quickly re donate if they like who is in there , i'm thinkin that if these donors like who is there , they could quickly re fill the donations. Even perhaps find someone real straight forward and serious to run and just keep Kamala on the Vice pres ticket with them. Though i would think their policies on immigration at least need to change, you know , the border issues. Um, that would not be a good idea. Right now, her supporters are watching very closely on how the Democrats treat Harris, if Biden does drop out. I know she is not everyone's next choice, but those that support her as the next in line will not stand for it. They will claim racism. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Razman Posted July 18 #123 Share Posted July 18 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Katniss said: Um, that would not be a good idea. Right now, her supporters are watching very closely on how the Democrats treat Harris, if Biden does drop out. I know she is not everyone's next choice, but those that support her as the next in line will not stand for it. They will claim racism. I suppose : They could always put Michelle Obama in there , then they could get around the racism part . Nevertheless , they gonna want someone in there that can stand up to Trumpy boy and match his wit, though like i say , i haven't seen what Kamala has done lately and she may be able to. Edited July 18 by Razman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katniss Posted July 18 #124 Share Posted July 18 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Razman said: I suppose , they could always put Michelle Obama in there , then they could get around the racism part . Nevertheless , they gonna want someone in there that can stand up to Trumpy boy and match his wit, though like i say , i haven't seen what Kamala has done lately and she may be able to. OMG that would be interesting. Edited July 18 by Katniss 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonKing Posted July 18 #125 Share Posted July 18 5 minutes ago, Razman said: I suppose : They could always put Michelle Obama in there , then they could get around the racism part . Nevertheless , they gonna want someone in there that can stand up to Trumpy boy and match his wit, though like i say , i haven't seen what Kamala has done lately and she may be able to. Nah,all she does is that cackle and tell made up stories still... She has added hiding her husband into her repertoire though...might save her a few votes. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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