Female enlightened master Rajini Menon on distinguishing between the inner voice and mind noise

[Ajay0]

Rajini Menon is a modern enlightened sage who attained enlightenment just through adhering to virtuous conduct and obedience to inner voice or conscience. I had described about her in this thread..

In the below article, Rajini Menon explains on distinguishing between the inner voice and mind noise...

https://rajiniji.com/whatislife/
 

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The most righteous act is what your inner voice or inner conscience, manasakshi, tells you and not what your mind tells you.

How do you differentiate between the true inner voice and the minds outer voice? If you are served a bowl of apples and a dish of sweets, and if you are diabetic with a craving for sweets, your mind will pull you towards eating the sweets, but your inner voice will tell you to go for the apples.

Suppose a bowl of apples and a tray of oranges are served to you and if your mind pulls you towards oranges and your inner voice will be telling you that either of these is all right.

That is to say if there is a conflicting voice in you, that is, an opposing voice between the inner and the outer voice, you have to listen to, or follow the inner voice, and where there is no conflicting voice between the inner and the outer voice, there you may follow as your whims and fancies are, that is you may follow your mind’s voice or outer voice! Your job is over. Now you sit there hand on hand doing nothing. The results are not your choice. Your botheration is over once you accept what comes to you and do what is the most righteous in the situation.

 

 

[khol]

Fair enough ultimately the most righteous act would always be the right choice in regards to the individual and also our species as a whole. We could also call this common sense in my opinion. The problem is many people have ulterior motives and can manipulate others so easily that its a slippery slope. Sometimes because of this we have to make decisions based on how others will respond to protect ourselves and well... here we are. 

Everyone has to be on board which of course is impossible within humanity

[XenoFish]

So if my inner voice tells me I should go on a killing spree, it's all good. Thanks. 

[Piney]

24 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

So if my inner voice tells me I should go on a killing spree, it's all good. Thanks. 

I think she confuses inner voice with cravings. 

[XenoFish]

31 minutes ago, Piney said:

I think she confuses inner voice with cravings. 

It's all bull**** to me.

[Piney]

5 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

It's all bull**** to me.

Pop up gurus. What a scam. Her website doesn't say how much her book costs. Probably as much as one of my textbooks. 

[XenoFish]

3 minutes ago, Piney said:

Pop up gurus. What a scam. Her website doesn't say how much her book costs. Probably as much as one of my textbooks. 

Guess that's the reason I can't take any of this serious any more. Divine wisdom and self mastery for the low cost of $99.99 act now and get a free set of Chakra attunement. 

[Alchopwn]

2 hours ago, khol said:

Fair enough ultimately the most righteous act would always be the right choice in regards to the individual and also our species as a whole. We could also call this common sense in my opinion. The problem is many people have ulterior motives and can manipulate others so easily that its a slippery slope. Sometimes because of this we have to make decisions based on how others will respond to protect ourselves and well... here we are. 

Everyone has to be on board which of course is impossible within humanity

Wisdom is knowing what is the correct choice and behavior and also, most importantly, actually doing it.

Edited July 12 by Alchopwn

[Kenemet]

2 hours ago, Alchopwn said:

Wisdom is knowing what is the correct choice and behavior and also, most importantly, actually doing it.

I think you've nailed it there.  

 

(interesting discussion, though.  Impulse vs logic)

[khol]

9 hours ago, XenoFish said:

my inner voice tells me I should go on a killing spree

Obviously this would be someone with a mental condition. In regards to rational and sane people I think what she’s really talking about is our intuition or intuitive thought based on past experience just a thought

[XenoFish]

1 hour ago, khol said:

Obviously this would be someone with a mental condition. In regards to rational and sane people I think what she’s really talking about is our intuition or intuitive thought based on past experience just a thought

So if a completely sane and rational person gets that subconscious nudge to commit mass murder it still applies. Be it intuition or instinct. 

From my perspective, a lot of these "guru's" talk about stuff that sounds good on paper. 

[+Hammerclaw]

There's a sucker born every minute.

[Ajay0]

22 hours ago, XenoFish said:

So if my inner voice tells me I should go on a killing spree, it's all good. Thanks. 

Poor comprehension skills. 

As per the op, it would be the mind noise that would prompt you to go 'on a killing spree', not the inner voice.

[Ajay0]

21 hours ago, Piney said:

I think she confuses inner voice with cravings. 

How is that happening or possible? 

As per the op, the inner voice goes for the healthy apples, while the mind noise as in cravings goes for the unhealthy sweets in spite of the diabetic condition.

[Piney]

1 minute ago, Ajay0 said:

How is that happening or possible? 

As per the op, the inner voice goes for the healthy apples, while the mind noise as in cravings goes for the unhealthy sweets in spite of the diabetic condition.

You don't want too many apples either. Fructose is still sugar. 

[Ajay0]

3 minutes ago, Piney said:

You don't want too many apples either. Fructose is still sugar. 

Unlike glucose, fructose causes a low rise in blood sugar levels.

Hence fructose is considered by medical experts as to be an excellent candidate for a sweetening agent in the diabetic diet.

 

[Piney]

8 minutes ago, Ajay0 said:

Unlike glucose, fructose causes a low rise in blood sugar levels.

Hence fructose is considered by medical experts as to be an excellent candidate for a sweetening agent in the diabetic diet.

 

Only if your hypoglycemic. Otherwise you need to avoid all sugars.

Sugar is sugar. A craving is a craving and your describing common sense while craving something. Not a "inner voice" or "mind  noise".

[Ajay0]

2 minutes ago, Piney said:

Only if your hypoglycemic. Otherwise you need to avoid all sugars.

Fructose is considered by health professionals to be suitable for Type Two diabetes , which is considered the most common diabetes ailment. 

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Sugar is sugar. A craving is a craving and your describing common sense while craving something. Not a "inner voice" or "mind  noise".

The 'common sense' can also be considered similar to the voice of conscience or inner voice. It can even be the choice of vegetables and sweets for a diabetic.

However it takes discipline to implement the 'inner voice' or 'common sense' rather than the urge of the craving for sensory pleasure.

[Piney]

14 minutes ago, Ajay0 said:

Fructose is considered by health professionals to be suitable for Type Two diabetes , which is considered the most common diabetes ailment. 

The 'common sense' can also be considered similar to the voice of conscience or inner voice. It can even be the choice of vegetables and sweets for a diabetic.

However it takes discipline to implement the 'inner voice' or 'common sense' rather than the urge of the craving for sensory pleasure.

Sensory pleasures aren't all bad. Just the harmful ones and many of those urges are genetic. But the good sensory pleasures are beneficial to mental health

[Ajay0]

6 minutes ago, Piney said:

Sensory pleasures aren't all bad. Just the harmful ones and many of those urges are genetic. But the good sensory pleasures are beneficial to mental health

Yes, she has stated that in the op. 

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 Suppose a bowl of apples and a tray of oranges are served to you and if your mind pulls you towards oranges and your inner voice will be telling you that either of these is all right. That is to say if there is a conflicting voice in you, that is, an opposing voice between the inner and the outer voice, you have to listen to, or follow the inner voice, and where there is no conflicting voice between the inner and the outer voice, there you may follow as your whims and fancies are, that is you may follow your mind’s voice or outer voice! 

 

 

[Piney]

Just now, Ajay0 said:

Yes, she has stated that in the op.

With some people there is no conflict and taking care of yourself is just common sense. There is no need to buy a book. You don't need a guru for it. 

 

[XenoFish]

1 hour ago, Ajay0 said:

Poor comprehension skills. 

As per the op, it would be the mind noise that would prompt you to go 'on a killing spree', not the inner voice.

Not really. Because it is all mind noise. If a line of thought dictates to an individual that X amount of people on this planet don't need to exist. That's not mind noise at all. In fact some serial killers have that inner voices that tells them to kill. So what you can call mental illness is just their inner voice. If they listen to their inner voices it is all good. They're just doing what it calls for. Right or wrong. 

If my intuition tells me the guy behind me in line at the register is going to stab me and I should defend myself. I'll be sure to beat the hell out of him knowing full well my intuition is right, before he can stab me. If he's innocent it doesn't matter. Thanks for the encouragement. 

[Rlyeh]

How do you determine if someone has attained enlightenment?

[Piney]

28 minutes ago, Rlyeh said:

How do you determine if someone has attained enlightenment?

They don't try to sell you a book or charge for advice. A real zen priest or Shaman is forbidden to profit from teaching or healing.

1 hour ago, XenoFish said:

Not really. Because it is all mind noise. If a line of thought dictates to an individual that X amount of people on this planet don't need to exist. That's not mind noise at all. In fact some serial killers have that inner voices that tells them to kill. So what you can call mental illness is just their inner voice. If they listen to their inner voices it is all good. They're just doing what it calls for. Right or wrong. 

If my intuition tells me the guy behind me in line at the register is going to stab me and I should defend myself. I'll be sure to beat the hell out of him knowing full well my intuition is right, before he can stab me. If he's innocent it doesn't matter. Thanks for the encouragement. 

The bottom line is grandma's stovetop advice is not "spiritual enlightenment" and you shouldn't have to buy it.

[XenoFish]

2 hours ago, Piney said:

The bottom line is grandma's stovetop advice is not "spiritual enlightenment" and you shouldn't have to buy it.

Unfortunately modern spiritual enlightened masters gotta make their dime. Spirituality has lost all substances. It's a drug now. With an abundance of dealers.