Female enlightened master Rajini Menon on distinguishing between the inner voice and mind noise

[Piney]

23 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

Unfortunately modern spiritual enlightened masters gotta make their dime. Spirituality has lost all substances. It's a drug now. With an abundance of dealers.

Nail hammer on that statement.

[Guyver]

I hope everyone understands that everyone is entitled to believe things.  And, for things that are believed by people can often be beneficial to them.  Faith doesn’t always end in crisis, and many people prolly live their whole lives and find some benefit in the things they believe.  For example, let’s take the Mormons.  They believe in healthy living habits, proper diet, exercise, charitable acts, prayers to help other people, etc. and maybe they live long, healthy and productive lives.

So, maybe people can ease the eff up on some people, and let them believe things they appreciate without receiving so much criticism?

[Piney]

2 minutes ago, Guyver said:

I hope everyone understands that everyone is entitled to believe things.  And, for things that are believed by people can often be beneficial to them.  Faith doesn’t always end in crisis, and many people prolly live their whole lives and find some benefit in the things they believe.  For example, let’s take the Mormons.  They believe in healthy living habits, proper diet, exercise, charitable acts, prayers to help other people, etc. and maybe they live long, healthy and productive lives.

So, maybe people can ease the eff up on some people, and let them believe things they appreciate without receiving so much criticism?

The Mormons don't "sell" their spirituality. They'll give you the whole spiel for nothing. 

[Guyver]

1 minute ago, Piney said:

The Mormons don't "sell" their spirituality. They'll give you the whole spiel for nothing. 

True, but…if you wish to be a Mormon in good standing…you prolly know what that means…it’s going to cost you ten percent of your income forever.

[Piney]

7 minutes ago, Guyver said:

True, but…if you wish to be a Mormon in good standing…you prolly know what that means…it’s going to cost you ten percent of your income forever.

The tithe is in all Christian churches including mine. 

Little tidbit though. Quaker Meetings aren't supported by tithes. They are supported by investment dividends.

So my 900 bucks a year goes to disabled veterans organizations and my sister's goes for buying books for reading programs. 

[+Hammerclaw]

3 hours ago, Rlyeh said:

How do you determine if someone has attained enlightenment?

Luminosity? Maybe when you feel the need to put on hip-waders?

[XenoFish]

29 minutes ago, Guyver said:

So, maybe people can ease the eff up on some people, and let them believe things they appreciate without receiving so much criticism?

No.

[XenoFish]

6 hours ago, Ajay0 said:

Unlike glucose, fructose causes a low rise in blood sugar levels.

Hence fructose is considered by medical experts as to be an excellent candidate for a sweetening agent in the diabetic diet.

 

One pepsi a day won't kill you. A 12 pack a day probably will. 

[Guyver]

20 minutes ago, Piney said:

The tithe is in all Christian churches including mine. 

Little tidbit though. Quaker Meetings aren't supported by tithes. They are supported by investment dividends.

So my 900 bucks a year goes to disabled veterans organizations and my sister's goes for buying books for reading programs. 

The machine won’t let me give you two trophies for that response.

[lightly]

7 hours ago, Rlyeh said:

How do you determine if someone has attained enlightenment?

Ask them?      (If they say yes, they haven’t)?       . .   10% !*!    ..not many Irish Mormons I bet.?   

Edited July 13 by lightly

[lightly]

4 hours ago, XenoFish said:

Unfortunately modern spiritual enlightened masters gotta make their dime. Spirituality has lost all substances. It's a drug now. With an abundance of dealers.

    I got some gummies,    not bad really.  

[Piney]

1 hour ago, lightly said:

    I got some gummies,    not bad really.  

Just one knocked me on my ass and never again.🤪

[Rlyeh]

2 hours ago, Guyver said:

For example, let’s take the Mormons.  They believe in healthy living habits, proper diet, exercise, charitable acts, prayers to help other people, etc. and maybe they live long, healthy and productive lives.

They also believe in a womanizing charlatan who raped underaged girls.

[Piney]

1 hour ago, Rlyeh said:

They also believe in a womanizing charlatan who raped underaged girls.

Someone was also stupid enough to martyr him. 

[Alchopwn]

21 hours ago, Piney said:

Sensory pleasures aren't all bad. Just the harmful ones and many of those urges are genetic. But the good sensory pleasures are beneficial to mental health

Religious ascetics claim that sensory pleasures are bad as the cause attachment to the material world, which is temporary, rather than forming a stronger attachment to the world of the true mind, which outlasts the body.

[Piney]

Just now, Alchopwn said:

Religious ascetics claim that sensory pleasures are bad as the cause attachment to the material world, which is temporary, rather than forming a stronger attachment to the world of the true mind, which outlasts the body.

And Buddha said understand pleasures are temporary and don't get carried away with the asceticism.   

[+joc]

23 hours ago, XenoFish said:

Not really. Because it is all mind noise. If a line of thought dictates to an individual that X amount of people on this planet don't need to exist. That's not mind noise at all. In fact some serial killers have that inner voices that tells them to kill. So what you can call mental illness is just their inner voice. If they listen to their inner voices it is all good. They're just doing what it calls for. Right or wrong. 

If my intuition tells me the guy behind me in line at the register is going to stab me and I should defend myself. I'll be sure to beat the hell out of him knowing full well my intuition is right, before he can stab me. If he's innocent it doesn't matter. Thanks for the encouragement. 

 It is all mind noise!  True!   How do we differentiate then from what is real and what isn't?  

The answer is; We only tell ourselves the truth.  How do we know what the truth is?  The answer is, Because the truth is provable.  If it isn't provable then we cannot know it is the truth.  

Kind of why I keep saying that I have no beliefs.  Once I realized what beliefs actually were...a state of not knowing...I just washed and rinsed and washed and rinsed until they were all gone.  The only way to differentiate the mind noise from the truth is to know what the truth is...and the truth is what we know, provably so. Always.

[lightly]

20 hours ago, Piney said:

Just one knocked me on my ass and never again.🤪

  Yup they can be weird..I think they differ from how they are made.?     I take a quarter of a “serving”.    ..helps with pain & to mask the side effects of a couple meds I have to take.  Make me less ornery too.        

Edited July 14 by lightly

[+joc]

18 hours ago, Piney said:

Just one knocked me on my ass and never again.🤪

I don't even take Tylenol anymore.  Unless it's excruciating I don't even think about it really.  And usually excruciating pain is only excruciating for a minimal few seconds...excruciating like when you kick something hard with your toe.  After the initial plethora of skin peeling curse words, I just say, I love excruciating pain!  

[+Hammerclaw]

6 hours ago, Piney said:

And Buddha said understand pleasures are temporary and don't get carried away with the asceticism.   

Poor guy died of food poisoning.

[Piney]

2 hours ago, joc said:

I don't even take Tylenol anymore.  Unless it's excruciating I don't even think about it really.  And usually excruciating pain is only excruciating for a minimal few seconds...excruciating like when you kick something hard with your toe.  After the initial plethora of skin peeling curse words, I just say, I love excruciating pain!  

I've never even taken a aspirin. 

[+Sherapy]

23 hours ago, Guyver said:

I hope everyone understands that everyone is entitled to believe things.  And, for things that are believed by people can often be beneficial to them.  Faith doesn’t always end in crisis, and many people prolly live their whole lives and find some benefit in the things they believe.  For example, let’s take the Mormons.  They believe in healthy living habits, proper diet, exercise, charitable acts, prayers to help other people, etc. and maybe they live long, healthy and productive lives.

So, maybe people can ease the eff up on some people, and let them believe things they appreciate without receiving so much criticism?

An add too: the above applies to non religious too, in the medical field the self care mindful movement including eating, healthy exercise, functional fitness. cognitive pursuits and fun including socialization and caring for others in some way and their are millions of ways to care about others. In the above your ex and mine the commonality is the benefits come from doing no matter who you are or what you believe. 

[Will Due]

46 minutes ago, Sherapy said:

the above applies to non religious too

 

That's because a person who's non-religious doesn't necessarily mean they're a person who doesn't have faith in God.

 

 

[+Sherapy]

1 hour ago, Will Due said:

 

That's because a person who's non-religious doesn't necessarily mean they're a person who doesn't have faith in God.

 

 

It is not clear to me what you are adding on, can you clarify, thanks.

[Will Due]

8 minutes ago, Sherapy said:

It is not clear to me what you are adding on, can you clarify, thanks.

 

Traditional religions have their tenets, have their beliefs about God.

Rejecting those beliefs and being non-religious does not necessarily mean that that person also rejects having faith in God.