Female enlightened master Rajini Menon on distinguishing between the inner voice and mind noise

[+Hammerclaw]

2 hours ago, Piney said:

I've never even taken an aspirin. 

Me neither; I always pay for them.

[+Sherapy]

14 minutes ago, Will Due said:

 

Traditional religions have their tenets, have their beliefs about God.

Rejecting those beliefs and being non-religious does not necessarily mean that that person also rejects having faith in God. 

 

 

Will, the add too on my end is irregardless of one's religious beliefs, it wouldn’t matter if you belief in god or don’t believe or have faith in the UB prioritizing self-care things like: balanced nutrition, sleep, exercise, social interaction, stress mgt. and acts of service can and will have benefits for anyone’s overall well-being. These practices with consistency can promote physical health, emotional stability, and a sense of fulfillment that can enhance life regardless of one's stance on religion. On a good note adopting the behaviors above can lead to a more balanced and enriched life for anyone, irrespective of their beliefs about God or spirituality. 

 

[Piney]

20 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

Me neither; I always pay for them.

I can't have salicylic acid. Never could. Which is why I can't use white oak or willow bark either. 

My anti-inflammatory has been turmeric or coffee since I was a child.

I once tried taking a Tylenol. It also ripped me up and I tasted it all day.

 

[Will Due]

1 hour ago, Sherapy said:

Will, the add too on my end is irregardless of one's religious beliefs, it wouldn’t matter if you belief in god or don’t believe or have faith in the UB prioritizing self-care things like: balanced nutrition, sleep, exercise, social interaction, stress mgt. and acts of service can and will have benefits for anyone’s overall well-being. These practices with consistency can promote physical health, emotional stability, and a sense of fulfillment that can enhance life regardless of one's stance on religion. On a good note adopting the behaviors above can lead to a more balanced and enriched life for anyone, irrespective of their beliefs about God or spirituality. 

 

 

My point is that the so-called non-religious can still have faith in God.

It's also true that there are probably many so-called religious people who believe in their religion but don't really have faith in God.

Belief in religion is not the same thing as having faith in God.

 

 

 

Edited July 14 by Will Due

[jmccr8]

7 hours ago, Will Due said:

 

Traditional religions have their tenets, have their beliefs about God.

Rejecting those beliefs and being non-religious does not necessarily mean that that person also rejects having faith in God. 

 

 

HI Will

I agree that one can believe in a god they cannot define and just give recognition that there might be something more. I think that when people try to claim they know what god is, how it feels or thinks is extending their personal ideals on life, love or judgment on others that may have no or a different perspective of what god is where problems arise. 

Beleif is a personal thing that we can use in one way or another to hopefully improve our lives and no one recipe works for everyone due to circumstance in life. 

[+joc]

On 7/13/2024 at 12:10 PM, Guyver said:

I hope everyone understands that everyone is entitled to believe things.  And, for things that are believed by people can often be beneficial to them.  Faith doesn’t always end in crisis, and many people prolly live their whole lives and find some benefit in the things they believe.  For example, let’s take the Mormons.  They believe in healthy living habits, proper diet, exercise, charitable acts, prayers to help other people, etc. and maybe they live long, healthy and productive lives.

So, maybe people can ease the eff up on some people, and let them believe things they appreciate without receiving so much criticism?

Trust me Guyver.  We all understand everyone has the right to think, and to believe whatever they think.  But belief is a psychological thing.  And to pretend it isn't is just silly.  We can only believe things that we don't know to be the truth.  But there are a lot of things people believe that we know, provably so, to be NOT the truth.  Like virgins having babies, changing the molecular structure of water with one's mind.  Coming back to life after being actually dead for days.  

Believe what you want.  But if you tell me that you believe things that are provably not true...don't be surprised if you get called out.  Because some of us care more about the truth than about your feelings.

Edited July 15 by joc

[jmccr8]

7 hours ago, Will Due said:

 

My point is that the so-called non-religious can still have faith in God.

It's also true that there are probably many so-called religious people who believe in their religion but don't really have faith in God.

Belief in religion is not the same thing as having faith in God.

 

 

 

HI Will

Just to add using the elements from any or several religions to create and new religious/god construct is still following those same religious constructs that you abstacted them from with a lime for a corona. I am not attacking you and just exchanging povs so don't take what I am saying as personal. 

[Will Due]

4 minutes ago, jmccr8 said:

HI Will

Just to add using the elements from any or several religions to create and new religious/god construct is still following those same religious constructs that you abstacted them from with a lime for a corona. I am not attacking you and just exchanging povs so don't take what I am saying as personal. 

 

But does it really matter what elements from any one of several religions a person uses to have something to believe in, when by so doing, they reject the tenets of any one or all of those religions but still ends up deciding (while stuffing a lime in their Corona) that there are still plenty of good reasons to have faith in God?

 

 

[jmccr8]

15 minutes ago, Will Due said:

 

But does it really matter what elements from any one of several religions a person uses to have something to believe in, when by so doing, they reject the tenets of any one or all of those religions but still ends up deciding (while stuffing a lime in their Corona) that there are still plenty of good reasons to have faith in God?

 

 

HI Will

For me no not really if people understand that we do not have to expect others to live by or understand what that vastness circumstances represents for all 8 billion people on the planet have some form of construct or other unique to them that form their betterment or downfall

[Ajay0]

Wow, this thread has moved to the third page with all sort of unrelated posts and rants, and is in danger of derailing and going off-topic and incoherent as the previous thread on Rajini Menon.

Please invest some time in studying the content in the op so as to make educated assertions on it, that would better serve the purpose of informed discussion and debate. 

Edited July 15 by Ajay0

[Ajay0]

On 7/13/2024 at 5:09 PM, Piney said:

With some people there is no conflict and taking care of yourself is just common sense. There is no need to buy a book. You don't need a guru for it. 

 

The 'common sense ' you have stated is rational in nature. 

The 'inner voice ' on the other hand is intuitive in nature. 

I have seen people doing seemingly irrational actions under the guidance of intuition, which however turned out to be the right actions later on, and preventing strategic disasters.

Logic usually has a limited set of data to act upon while intuition acts in relation to the whole.

Gandhi had stated of the necessity of self-purification through spiritual exercises to gain access to the intuitive state. So it is not something accessible to every Tom, Dick and Harry.

I myself was able to better access the intuitive state through the guidance of a spiritual teacher who greatly reduced the learning curve. So a qualified Guru or spiritual master can greatly help in this regard.

[Ajay0]

On 7/13/2024 at 5:43 PM, XenoFish said:

Not really. Because it is all mind noise. If a line of thought dictates to an individual that X amount of people on this planet don't need to exist. That's not mind noise at all. In fact some serial killers have that inner voices that tells them to kill. So what you can call mental illness is just their inner voice. If they listen to their inner voices it is all good. They're just doing what it calls for. Right or wrong. 

It is mind noise as the op suggests due to its unhealthy nature. Mental illness is just the mind noise in an amplified form.

The intuitive inner voice would suggest being non-violent and friendly to them. Period. 

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If my intuition tells me the guy behind me in line at the register is going to stab me and I should defend myself. I'll be sure to beat the hell out of him knowing full well my intuition is right, before he can stab me. If he's innocent it doesn't matter. Thanks for the encouragement. 

That would be mind noise in action due to its unhealthy nature. Period.

 

[XenoFish]

What intuition is.

just ask yourself a question, no guru needed.

[XenoFish]

1 minute ago, Ajay0 said:

It is mind noise as the op suggests due to its unhealthy nature. Mental illness is just the mind noise in an amplified form.

The intuitive inner voice would suggest being non-violent and friendly to them. Period. 

That would be mind noise in action due to its unhealthy nature. Period.

 

I still say you're wrong. Not everyone is wired in a manner that you'd like. Not everything is mental illness either. 

[Ajay0]

1 minute ago, XenoFish said:

What intuition is.

just ask yourself a question, no guru needed.

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 Intuition is the result of your brain putting together everything you have learned from past experiences in your life to help you form a quick conclusion.

 

This is just an educated guess based on processing of past knowledge, as the article noted. 

Intuition as I mentioned is decision-making based on the inner voice.

I have expounded on the nature of intuition in this thread of mine...

You can see here Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, as an example, navigating to a venue in a totally unknown city just through intuition.

[Ajay0]

5 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

I still say you're wrong. Not everyone is wired in a manner that you'd like. Not everything is mental illness either. 

You are privileged to have your own opinions. 

[XenoFish]

1 minute ago, Ajay0 said:

This is just an educated guess based on processing of past knowledge, as the article noted. 

Intuition as I mentioned is decision-making based on the inner voice.

I have expounded on the nature of intuition in this thread of mine...

You can see here Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, as an example, navigating to a venue in a totally unknown city just through intuition.

Just keep lying to yourself and pretending these "guru's" know something.

[XenoFish]

1 minute ago, Ajay0 said:

You are privileged to have your own opinions. 

I know. Especially when yours is wrong.

[Ajay0]

Just now, XenoFish said:

Just keep lying to yourself and pretending these "guru's" know something.

2 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

I know. Especially when yours is wrong.

Pre-conceived opinions can be a barrier to learning something new. 

[XenoFish]

Just now, Ajay0 said:

Pre-conceived opinions can be a barrier to learning something new. 

I don't need nonsense. 

[Piney]

21 minutes ago, Ajay0 said:

The 'common sense ' you have stated is rational in nature. 

The 'inner voice ' on the other hand is intuitive in nature. 

So connected it's the same thing

21 minutes ago, Ajay0 said:

I have seen people doing seemingly irrational actions under the guidance of intuition, which however turned out to be the right actions later on, and preventing strategic disasters.

The right move using...this. V

21 minutes ago, Ajay0 said:

Logic

 

21 minutes ago, Ajay0 said:

usually has a limited set of data to act upon while intuition acts in relation to the whole.

Comparing apples and oranges.

21 minutes ago, Ajay0 said:

Gandhi had stated of the necessity of self-purification through spiritual exercises to gain access to the intuitive state. So it is not something accessible to every Tom, Dick and Harry.

Tell that to back trackers and professional soldiers. 

21 minutes ago, Ajay0 said:

I myself was able to better access the intuitive state through the guidance of a spiritual teacher who greatly reduced the learning curve. So a qualified Guru or spiritual master can greatly help in this regard.

I have no use for one. Except my martial arts teachers.

[Ajay0]

1 minute ago, XenoFish said:

I don't need nonsense. 

What is perceived as nonsense could be something that makes sense later on. What you need is patience. 

 

[Ajay0]

1 minute ago, Piney said:

So connected it's the same thing

Not at all. Logic and intuition is different for reasons explained earlier.

 

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I have no use for one. Except my martial arts teachers.

Intuition is also an integral part of martial arts at an advanced level.

[XenoFish]

4 minutes ago, Ajay0 said:

What is perceived as nonsense could be something that makes sense later on. What you need is patience. 

 

Like hell. 

[Ajay0]

On 7/13/2024 at 7:11 PM, Rlyeh said:

How do you determine if someone has attained enlightenment?

The sign of enlightenment is when satori or samadhi or the unitary/nondual perception attains a permanent state without regression back to dualistic perception.