Female enlightened master Rajini Menon on distinguishing between the inner voice and mind noise

[Piney]

17 minutes ago, Ajay0 said:

The sign of enlightenment is when satori or samadhi or the unitary/nondual perception attains a permanent state without regression back to dualistic perception.

That's a basic Algonquian and Northern Siouian philosophy like anyone else who follows the laws of nature. Creation is neither good nor evil. Just man. 

20 minutes ago, Ajay0 said:

Not at all. Logic and intuition is different for reasons explained earlier.

But they are tied. Your subconscious can be logical or not. 

20 minutes ago, Ajay0 said:

 

Intuition is also an integral part of martial arts at an advanced level.

Yep.

[Ajay0]

On 7/13/2024 at 7:44 PM, Piney said:

They don't try to sell you a book or charge for advice. A real zen priest or Shaman is forbidden to profit from teaching or healing.

In the previous thread on Rajini Menon as well, I have stated that I have not read her book, and it is the case still. Her interview and points was sufficient knowledge for me for providing meaning and perspective to often asked questions in life.

Rajini Menon is a government bureaucrat and is financially independent enough to take care of her personal needs and that of her family. 

She has written her experiences leading to enlightenment in her book which can be a major source of vital wisdom and information in spiritual and psychological literature. 

In the interview itself, she has cited that the  the only worthwhile thing for her to do is to guide sincere seekers, and that is why she has written a book about it. 

 

Royalties from books do not create billionaires these days. 

She could have been wealthier by being dealing in weapons or drugs or alcohol or tobacco but did not engage in the same probably due to the promptings of her inner voice. 

[Piney]

4 minutes ago, Ajay0 said:

In the previous thread on Rajini Menon as well, I have stated that I have not read her book, and it is the case still. Her interview and points was sufficient knowledge for me for providing meaning and perspective to often asked questions in life.

Rajini Menon is a government bureaucrat and is financially independent enough to take care of her personal needs and that of her family. 

She has written her experiences leading to enlightenment in her book which can be a major source of vital wisdom and information in spiritual and psychological literature. 

In the interview itself, she has cited that the  the only worthwhile thing for her to do is to guide sincere seekers, and that is why she has written a book about it. 

 

Royalties from books do not create billionaires these days. 

She could have been wealthier by being dealing in weapons or drugs or alcohol or tobacco but did not engage in the same probably due to the promptings of her inner voice. 

I'll repeat myself. It is morally wrong for a shidoshi of spirituality or philosophy to charge money or profit in any way, shape or form. It's indicative of a grift. 

If she was so independently wealthy she would be giving those books away. Like the Seabrook Temple does with the teachings of Buddha. 

[Ajay0]

3 minutes ago, Piney said:

I'll repeat myself. It is morally wrong for a shidoshi of spirituality or philosophy to charge money or profit in any way, shape or form. It's indicative of a grift. 

This is not true from a Dharmic pov.

There is a sanskrit saying that goes thus, " Dharmah Arthasya Moolah " , meaning 'Dharma is built on money attained through honest and ethical means. '

She has written a book with her own intellectual exertions and is entitled to honest payments in this regard.

As I said earlier, she is not an arms dealer or drug dealer or pursuing other unethical professions.

 

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If she was so independently wealthy she would be giving those books away. Like the Seabrook Temple does with the teachings of Buddha. 

She is from the middle-class, and is not wealthy enough to give books away. 

Even billionaires have not given books free and have charged for it. 

Buddha was a monk who depended on householders for his  material welfare , as was the policy in ancient Indian society then which was very prosperous as well. Monks were not supposed to earn a living for themselves .

Rajni Menon is not a monk but a householder herself who earns her own livelihood.

[XenoFish]

3 minutes ago, Ajay0 said:

Monks were not supposed to earn a living for themselves .

So useless people with nothing of value to contribute too society. Philosophical bums. 

Edited July 15 by XenoFish

[Ajay0]

9 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

So useless people with nothing of value to contribute too society. Philosophical bums. 

Buddha's philosophy of Shunyatha actually deals with nothingness, and provided the philosophical conception for the zero in the Indian mathematical system which is now used world-wide and without which computers and indepth calculations in math and physics would have been impossible.

Edited July 15 by Ajay0

[Piney]

19 minutes ago, Ajay0 said:

This is not true from a Dharmic pov.

There is a sanskrit saying that goes thus, " Dharmah Arthasya Moolah " , meaning 'Dharma is built on money attained through honest and ethical means. '

She has written a book with her own intellectual exertions and is entitled to honest payments in this regard.

As I said earlier, she is not an arms dealer or drug dealer or pursuing other unethical professions.

 

She is from the middle-class, and is not wealthy enough to give books away. 

Even billionaires have not given books free and have charged for it. 

Buddha was a monk who depended on householders for his  material welfare , as was the policy in ancient Indian society then which was very prosperous as well. Monks were not supposed to earn a living for themselves .

Rajni Menon is not a monk but a householder herself who earns her own livelihood.

I'm a upper middle class skilled laborer with a reputation as a good Zen practioner who people consult for free. 

Anybody who sells spirituality and philosophy is a grifter. Which is the general consensus among all traditional NdNs. 

 

[Rlyeh]

2 hours ago, Ajay0 said:

The sign of enlightenment is when satori or samadhi or the unitary/nondual perception attains a permanent state without regression back to dualistic perception.

Anyone who has a nondual perception is enlightened then?

[+Liquid Gardens]

1 hour ago, Ajay0 said:

'Dharma is built on money attained through honest and ethical means. '

She has written a book with her own intellectual exertions and is entitled to honest payments in this regard.

On your link in the OP to the interview with this very supposed 'enlightened master' there's this though:

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Are you still in a state of no-mind?

Yes, once a permanent no-mind state is attained it does not vanish. Rather, when the mind vanishes, no-mind happens (laughs). In fact, the mind vanishes permanently and the ‘no-mind state’ does not leave you even while you are involved in activities.

Why does God need a starship does a 'no-mind' want or need money?  Typically money is on the opposite side of the spectrum from spiritualism and whatever 'enlightenment' means this week, the desire for it is the exemplar of 'non-spiritual attachment to this world' according to other gurus.

[XenoFish]

When the mind vanish, I think that's actually called dead. 

[Piney]

1 hour ago, Liquid Gardens said:

Why does God need a starship does a 'no-mind' want or need money?

Great analogy! 😆

[Piney]

26 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

When the mind vanish, I think that's actually called dead. 

Or too much of the Papa Meter. 

[jmccr8]

4 hours ago, Ajay0 said:

Wow, this thread has moved to the third page with all sort of unrelated posts and rants, and is in danger of derailing and going off-topic and incoherent as the previous thread on Rajini Menon.

Please invest some time in studying the content in the op so as to make educated assertions on it, that would better serve the purpose of informed discussion and debate. 

HI AjayO 

I have read the OP along with following the discussion and it's your belief system that speaks to you not me. I don't have a problem with you believing in it. My comments were to Will about what he said because that is what happens in a discussion. What I said to Will about beliefs apply to yours as well, it's personal

[XenoFish]

1 hour ago, Liquid Gardens said:

Why does God need a starship does a 'no-mind' want or need money? 

Don't you pay no-mind to your money, I'll mind it for you.😆

[XenoFish]

Personally I think the stoics had it right. You can enjoy life while accepting the finite nature of it. 

[Piney]

6 hours ago, XenoFish said:

Personally I think the stoics had it right. You can enjoy life while accepting the finite nature of it. 

Basically Zen too. Enjoy yourself without getting carried away and know it's temporary. 

[XenoFish]

19 minutes ago, Piney said:

Basically Zen too. Enjoy yourself without getting carried away and know it's temporary. 

The less fluff the better. 

[Piney]

Just now, XenoFish said:

The less fluff the better. 

Which is why I like Japanese Zen. The Japanese got rid of all the useless bells and whistles along with the bull****.

[Ajay0]

18 hours ago, Piney said:

I'm a upper middle class skilled laborer with a reputation as a good Zen practioner who people consult for free. 

Nice self-laudatory statements. 

However, till date, I have never come across a spiritually or intellectually insightful post or thread from you. I hope you will prove me wrong in the future though. 

Sherapy and Alchopwn have made some good insightful posts that I found useful. 
 

[Ajay0]

17 hours ago, Rlyeh said:

Anyone who has a nondual perception is enlightened then?

 It takes a certain amount of austerity, spiritual work and focus to arrive at the state of nondual perception, and one usually regresses back to dualistic perception.

 If you have made nondual perception to be a permanent experience, that is termed as enlightenment.

[Ajay0]

17 hours ago, Liquid Gardens said:

Why does God need a starship does a 'no-mind' want or need money?

Enlightenment does not mean that one does not need the basics of food, shelter and clothing. 

 Even Buddha with his no-mind used to seek alms from house-holders.
 

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  Typically money is on the opposite side of the spectrum from spiritualism and whatever 'enlightenment' means this week, the desire for it is the exemplar of 'non-spiritual attachment to this world' according to other gurus.

 I have already explained on the tenet of Hinduism that goes thus, " Dharmah Arthasya Moolah " , meaning 'Dharma is built on money attained through honest and ethical means. '

The Avatars Rama and Krishna were kings who had abundant wealth, but were in a constant state of non-attachment. 

The Vedas speak of the ancient king Janaka who is considered to be the first person to attain enlightenment through karma yoga ( yoga of action).

I have elaborated on King Janaka in this thread of mine where he was similarly criticized by a monk for his wealth and luxury.

https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/topic/367025-when-king-janaka-taught-wisdom-to-a-young-monk/#comment-7579259

The Hindu scriptures consider the enlightened house-holder to be superior to the enlightened monk as the former enjoys both spiritual and material prosperity.

The Zoroastrian religion similarly considers generating wealth by honest and ethical means as spiritual as well as being charitable with the same.
It does not prize concepts like fasting, asceticism and martyrdom.

The Sikh religion also considers spirituality as generating wealth by honest and ethical means in God-remembrance and being charitable with the same, as the highest austerity possible. One who does this well does not have to perform other austerities, as per the Sikh spiritual masters.

Jesus had talked about the rich man finding it hard to attain heaven, but this is possible only when the rich have earned wealth through unethical means, are deeply attached to their wealth without capability for detachment, and are filled with egoic pride and arrogance on their temporary possessions. 

Edited July 16 by Ajay0

[eight bits]

6 minutes ago, Ajay0 said:

 Even Buddha with his no-mind used to seek alms from house-holders.

Actually, he sought land and buildings. Monasteries, don't you know. No flies on Gautama.

[Rlyeh]

1 hour ago, Ajay0 said:

 It takes a certain amount of austerity, spiritual work and focus to arrive at the state of nondual perception, and one usually regresses back to dualistic perception.

 If you have made nondual perception to be a permanent experience, that is termed as enlightenment.

How do you determine its permanent?

[eight bits]

1 hour ago, Ajay0 said:

 If you have made nondual perception to be a permanent experience, that is termed as enlightenment.

It is not obvious that "enlightment" might not consist of the ability to appreciate simultaneously distinctiveness within unity. I am reminded of Jacob Bronowski's description of the aim of science as the effort to see what is the same in things that appear to be different, and the differences in things that appear to be the same. And yes, Bronowski aspired that that would be a permanent goal.

20 hours ago, Ajay0 said:

Buddha's philosophy of Shunyatha actually deals with nothingness, and provided the philosophical conception for the zero in the Indian mathematical system which is now used world-wide and without which computers and indepth calculations in math and physics would have been impossible.

You actually don't realize that that is a singing commercial for the virtue of appreciating duality. Zero and one are names for the complementary opposites that underlie digital computation.

[XenoFish]

It always comes down to belief and the associated value of such.