Female enlightened master Rajini Menon on distinguishing between the inner voice and mind noise

[Ajay0]

On 7/18/2024 at 1:58 AM, XenoFish said:

The true nature of reality is plural.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unity_in_diversity

The phrase 'Unity in diversity' is used world-wide in a religious, political and social context.

This concept can be traced back to the Sufi philosopher Ibn al-Arabi  who advanced the metaphysical concept of the "oneness of being" (wahdat al-wujud), namely, that reality is one in spite of the seeming diversity, or the singularity in the apparent plurality.

The foolish are captured by the alluring lure of the diversity of the material phenomenon (which is known as Maya/Mara) while the wise are able to penetrate and perceive the unity underlying all material phenomenon.

Edited July 19 by Ajay0

[XenoFish]

1 minute ago, Ajay0 said:

The foolish are captured by the alluring lure of the diversity of the material phenomenon (which is known as Maya/Mara) while the wise are able to penetrate and perceive the unity underlying all material phenomenon.

You keep telling yourself that.😆

[Ajay0]

On 7/17/2024 at 6:37 PM, XenoFish said:

No point in it really. Enlightenment or whatever. Doesn't help survival. Just gives people with too much time on their hands something to do.

Well, we are an ancient civilization and had enough time in our hands to create time-tested philosophies and methodologies.

We did not create superficial philosophies like nihilism that considers all values and virtues to be abstract contrivances, and  which clearly becomes obsolete and false when viewed from the perspective of Rajini Menon's enlightenment due to virtuous conduct. Buddha had also emphasized the same in his teachings as essential for attaining enlightenment.

Holocaust survivor Dr. Viktor Frankl had credited nihilism for the two world wars which originated in europe and  killed around a hundred million people. 

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“If we present a man with a concept of man which is not true, we may well corrupt him. When we present man as an automaton of reflexes, as a mind-machine, as a bundle of instincts, as a pawn of drives and reactions, as a mere product of instinct, heredity and environment, we feed the nihilism to which modern man is, in any case, prone.

I became acquainted with the last stage of that corruption in my second concentration camp, Auschwitz. The gas chambers of Auschwitz were the ultimate consequence of the theory that man is nothing but the product of heredity and environment; or as the Nazi liked to say, ‘of Blood and Soil.’

I am absolutely convinced that the gas chambers of Auschwitz, Treblinka, and Maidanek were ultimately prepared not in some Ministry or other in Berlin, but rather at the desks and lecture halls of nihilistic scientists and philosophers.”- Viktor Frankl

 

The third world war with weapons of mass destruction can end western civilization itself . 

So it is very important that we have healthy philosophies at hand to guide our thought process. 

[XenoFish]

Nihilism is basically the acknowledgement that all things within the human sphere of influence and subjective experience are based on belief. You don't need to believe facts. 

The ideological model you adhere too has shaped your perception of reality. It's nothing more than filters based on beliefs. 

Money only has value because of belief.

Law only exist because we believe it does.

Governments only have authority and power because we believe they do.

Nihilism is enlightenment.

 

Edited July 19 by XenoFish

[eight bits]

21 minutes ago, Ajay0 said:

Well, we...

Who are we? Since you brought it up.

[Piney]

4 hours ago, Ajay0 said:

Well, we are an ancient civilization and had enough time in our hands to create time-tested philosophies and methodologies.

We did not create superficial philosophies like nihilism that considers all values and virtues to be abstract contrivances, and  which clearly becomes obsolete and false when viewed from the perspective of Rajini Menon's enlightenment due to virtuous conduct. Buddha had also emphasized the same in his teachings as essential for attaining enlightenment.

Holocaust survivor Dr. Viktor Frankl had credited nihilism for the two world wars which originated in europe and  killed around a hundred million people. 

The third world war with weapons of mass destruction can end western civilization itself . 

So it is very important that we have healthy philosophies at hand to guide our thought process. 

Ethnic nationalism after being stomped into the dirt during WW1 created WW2. 

If 1 didn't happen, 2 wouldn't of either. 

[jmccr8]

6 hours ago, Ajay0 said:

The third world war with weapons of mass destruction can end western civilization itself . 

So it is very important that we have healthy philosophies at hand to guide our thought process

HI AjayO

Not sure you aren't overlooking some things from your perch of perfection. Wasn't so long ago that India, China and Pakistan were all threatening to nuke each other so it's not all on the West. Your country doesn't seem to have a philosophical problem aligning with Putin or supporting his invasion of the Ukraine for financial gain so that seems to cast shadows on your higher morality stance. 

[Piney]

1 hour ago, jmccr8 said:

HI AjayO

Not sure you aren't overlooking some things from your perch of perfection. Wasn't so long ago that India, China and Pakistan were all threatening to nuke each other so it's not all on the West. Your country doesn't seem to have a philosophical problem aligning with Putin or supporting his invasion of the Ukraine for financial gain so that seems to cast shadows on your higher morality stance. 

Buddhism didn't stop Oda the Destroyer from wiping out the other sects that disagreed with him. Nor did it stop the ethnic cleansing of the Rohingya who weren't. 

[+Sherapy]

9 hours ago, Ajay0 said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unity_in_diversity

The phrase 'Unity in diversity' is used world-wide in a religious, political and social context.

This concept can be traced back to the Sufi philosopher Ibn al-Arabi  who advanced the metaphysical concept of the "oneness of being" (wahdat al-wujud), namely, that reality is one in spite of the seeming diversity, or the singularity in the apparent plurality.

The foolish are captured by the alluring lure of the diversity of the material phenomenon (which is known as Maya/Mara) while the wise are able to penetrate and perceive the unity underlying all material phenomenon.

AJ, the desire for material things and the enjoyment that can come from them is a natural part of life and survival. It's viable to recognize that pursuing material well-being doesn't inherently equate to foolishness. 

Reframed example: "While the physical world offers many diverse experiences and material pleasures that are essential for survival and enjoyment, a deeper understanding acknowledges that these experiences can coexist with an awareness of the underlying unity that connects all of existence. Embracing both the material and the spiritual aspects of life can lead to a more balanced and fulfilling existence."

 

Edited July 19 by Sherapy

[lightly]

I thought someone mentioned Harmony?    (&word salad?)   ..this talk of plurality and oneness makes me think of Music!   Harmonics being one of the most beautiful and Vibrantly Interactive aspects of it .  Harmonies are plurality       But it’s all ONE song.  

[jmccr8]

1 hour ago, Piney said:

Buddhism didn't stop Oda the Destroyer from wiping out the other sects that disagreed with him. Nor did it stop the ethnic cleansing of the Rohingya who weren't. 

HI Piney

Yes, don't look at the hand in my pocket look at the one I am waving around. Pure distraction from historical fact. 

[XenoFish]

Starting to feel like crazy horse all over again.

[+Sherapy]

25 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

Starting to feel like crazy horse all over again.

Yeah, it is about the actual practice in this context.

[+Sherapy]

10 hours ago, Ajay0 said:

Well, we are an ancient civilization and had enough time in our hands to create time-tested philosophies and methodologies.

We did not create superficial philosophies like nihilism that considers all values and virtues to be abstract contrivances, and  which clearly becomes obsolete and false when viewed from the perspective of Rajini Menon's enlightenment due to virtuous conduct. Buddha had also emphasized the same in his teachings as essential for attaining enlightenment.

Holocaust survivor Dr. Viktor Frankl had credited nihilism for the two world wars which originated in europe and  killed around a hundred million people. 

The third world war with weapons of mass destruction can end western civilization itself . 

So it is very important that we have healthy philosophies at hand to guide our thought process. 

The above is one way to see it and Xeno’s approach to Nihilism can be understood as a philosophical viewpoint that asserts that life, existence, and values are ultimately devoid of inherent meaning or purpose. It is emphasizing the idea that many aspects of human experience things like morality, knowledge, and even reality itself, are largely constructed from beliefs, interpretations, and subjective perceptions rather than grounded in objective truths.

For me, at its core, nihilism invites a deep exploration of the assumptions we hold about the world. It challenges the idea that our beliefs about reality are universally valid or that they “must” reflect an objective or absolute truth, nihilism in this context suggests that our understanding of facts is often limited by personal perspectives, cultural contexts, and societal constructs. Certainly nihilism can generate feelings of existential dread or purposelessness, but, it can also serve as a catalyst for personal empowerment and in Xeno’s case the latter has been the outcome. For him, recognizing the absence of predetermined meaning, he has found freedom in crafting his own significance in a seemingly indifferent universe that works for him. 

He is a valued and contributing member who has been an open book about his journey and serves as an inspiration to many.

[XenoFish]

1 hour ago, Sherapy said:

Xeno’s approach to Nihilism can be understood as a philosophical viewpoint that asserts that life, existence, and values are ultimately devoid of inherent meaning or purpose. It is emphasizing the idea that many aspects of human experience things like morality, knowledge, and even reality itself, are largely constructed from beliefs, interpretations, and subjective perceptions rather than grounded in objective truths.

 

[+Sherapy]

7 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

 

Thank you for sharing. 

[+Hammerclaw]

12 minutes ago, Sherapy said:

Thank you for sharing. 

Spiritual truths are assertions repeated often enough. At a basic level, humans have always loved playing "let's pretend."

[lightly]

I don’t know anything for certain, so I wonder.     Is love nothing more than pretension?    Make believe?  …nothing  but a chemical result of biology?      I think maybe my wife Actually Loves me..   how ignorant & foolish of me.?     ???

     Hm X …that seems weird.  Death talking.  Providing answers?   If something does not exist ,I would say death does not exist.   Dying exists.

Edited July 20 by lightly

[XenoFish]

7 minutes ago, lightly said:

Hm X …that seems weird.  Death talking.  Providing answers?   If something does not exist ,I would say death does not exist.   Dying exists.

You focus on that and not what was discussed in the video.....

[lightly]

3 hours ago, XenoFish said:

You focus on that and not what was discussed in the video.....

Ah,  yup I guess that is what I did.    I can’t really disagree with what Death said.