Harvard & Montana Academics On The Cryptoterrestrial Hypothesis

[MrAnderson]

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Abstract

Recent years have seen increasing public attention and indeed concern regarding Unidentified  Anomalous Phenomena (UAP). Hypotheses for such phenomena tend to fall into two classes: a  conventional terrestrial explanation (e.g., human-made technology), or an extraterrestrial explanation  
(i.e., advanced civilizations from elsewhere in the cosmos). However, there is also a third minority class of hypothesis: an unconventional terrestrial explanation, outside the prevailing consensus view of the universe. This is the ultraterrestrial hypothesis, which includes as a subset the “cryptoterrestrial”  hypothesis, namely the notion that UAP may reflect activities of intelligent beings concealed in stealth here on Earth (e.g., underground), and/or its near environs (e.g., the moon), and/or even “walking  among us” (e.g., passing as humans). Although this idea is likely to be regarded sceptically by most scientists, such is the nature of some UAP that we argue this possibility should not be summarily  dismissed, and instead deserves genuine consideration in a spirit of epistemic humility and openness.

The paper can be found here:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/381405238_The_cryptoterrestrial_hypothesis_A_case_for_scientific_openness_to_a_concealed_earthly_explanation_for_Unidentified_Anomalous_Phenomena

The academics are examining the cryptoterrestrial hypothesis Tim Lomas1 Brendan Case2 , Michael P. Master 3, as they appear in the paper. The first two are from Harvard University and the third is from Montana Technological University.

I wasn't aware of the existence of this paper until a few moments ago and after I have (in a thread or two) suggested the possibility of a parallel civilization here on Earth that has gone undetected. It's great to see that some of the academics are considering this scenario even though they are admitting it's likely being not true and regardless of the criticisms they will face.

 

The story has been presented in the mainstream media and here is another link

https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/news/ufos-aliens-harvard-uap-cryptoterrestrial-hypothesis/

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What is the cryptoterrestrial hypothesis?

The trio explains that the cryptoterrestrial hypothesis suggests that the intelligent beings responsible for the UFOs may be "concealed in stealth" on Earth or nearby. That could mean they are underground, on the far side of the moon or "even walking among us" and passing as humans.  "We're not saying this is right, we're not saying that this is absolutely 100% the case, we're saying these are some potentialities, these are some possibilities to help explain the origin of these beings," Masters said.

The hypothesis is that the UFOs/UAPs seen by many different obervers and tracked on radar can be attributed (some of them) to a civilization that has gone stealth as it lives among us. They are arguing they could be walking among us and look like humans or even living underground. They don't say this is correct but a possibility that should be examined. Again, great to see there are a number of academics who are taking this view.

Edited July 12 by MrAnderson

[Grim Reaper 6]

8 minutes ago, MrAnderson said:

The paper can be found here:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/381405238_The_cryptoterrestrial_hypothesis_A_case_for_scientific_openness_to_a_concealed_earthly_explanation_for_Unidentified_Anomalous_Phenomena

The academics are examining the cryptoterrestrial hypothesis Tim Lomas1 Brendan Case2 , Michael P. Master 3, as they appear in the paper. The first two are from Harvard University and the third is from Montana Technological University.

I wasn't aware of the existence of this paper until a few moments ago and after I have (in a thread or two) suggested the possibility of a parallel civilization here on Earth that has gone undetected. It's great to see that some of the academics are considering this scenario even though they are admitting it's likely being not true and regardless of the criticisms they will face.

The story has been presented in the mainstream media and here is another link

https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/news/ufos-aliens-harvard-uap-cryptoterrestrial-hypothesis/

 

The following paragraph says it all, did you read this before you started this thread, it’s directly from your source.

NOTE: This paper is a speculative thought piece that reflects the authors’ own interests and ideas, and

is not associated with the Human Flourishing Program at Harvard. We would also like to emphasize

that we believe this hypothesis to be in all likelihood false, but nevertheless believe it still merits

scientific investigation

[MrAnderson]

2 minutes ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

The following paragraph says it all, did you read this before you started this thread, it’s directly from your source.

NOTE: This paper is a speculative thought piece that reflects the authors’ own interests and ideas, and

is not associated with the Human Flourishing Program at Harvard. We would also like to emphasize

that we believe this hypothesis to be in all likelihood false, but nevertheless believe it still merits

scientific investigation

Yes, and I said it in my OP that they have said their hypothesis is likely not to be true but nevertheless it should be examined. That's what they have said. They never said this is factual but just a hypothesis.

The great thing about it is that they seem to entertain a possibility that looks very unlikely.

I am quoting my link above (CBS article)

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We're not saying this is right, we're not saying that this is absolutely 100% the case, we're saying these are some potentialities, these are some possibilities to help explain the origin of these beings,

 

[Piney]

21 minutes ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

The following paragraph says it all, did you read this before you started this thread, it’s directly from your source.

NOTE: This paper is a speculative thought piece that reflects the authors’ own interests and ideas, and

is not associated with the Human Flourishing Program at Harvard. We would also like to emphasize

that we believe this hypothesis to be in all likelihood false, but nevertheless believe it still merits

scientific investigation

Now your cooking! 😃

[MrAnderson]

@Grim Reaper 6

The important part of the paper is the thoughts of these three academics on what might be causing a number of UFOs/UAPs. I am glad that people from different disciplines trying to understand the origin of these objects after they acknowledge their existence. The people who published this paper are psychologists and anthropologists (I think). It looks they are at similar wavelengths with mant others outside their field.

This is a speculative piece but the hypothesis no matter how impossible it seems or fringe should not be dismissed because it doesn't sound right. Many things in the last didn't sound right either.

When you have time you should read it and we can discuss it. But glad they said it openly (what they think about UFOs). Yesterday when someone asked me and the day before, I said we shouldn't be dismissing the view a parallel civilization is here on earth. Most people said it was impossible but that's fine because it's highly unlikely.

[Antigonos]

26 minutes ago, Piney said:

Now your cooking! 😃

That was a Tyson type knockout.

[MrAnderson]

6 minutes ago, Antigonos said:

That was a Tyson type knockout.

I don't see how.

The authors have stated this is speculative work that needs to be considered and not rejected as fringe or impossible.

You guys need to read the paper first.

There is no problem with speculation and hypothesis at this level.

You need to keep the important part of the story: A number of academics and scientists who have these 'fringe' views. We can extend this to the armed and security forces personel and elsewhere. That's the most important aspect of the paper imo.

Edited July 12 by MrAnderson

[Abramelin]

1 hour ago, MrAnderson said:

The paper can be found here:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/381405238_The_cryptoterrestrial_hypothesis_A_case_for_scientific_openness_to_a_concealed_earthly_explanation_for_Unidentified_Anomalous_Phenomena

The academics are examining the cryptoterrestrial hypothesis Tim Lomas1 Brendan Case2 , Michael P. Master 3, as they appear in the paper. The first two are from Harvard University and the third is from Montana Technological University.

I wasn't aware of the existence of this paper until a few moments ago and after I have (in a thread or two) suggested the possibility of a parallel civilization here on Earth that has gone undetected. It's great to see that some of the academics are considering this scenario even though they are admitting it's likely being not true and regardless of the criticisms they will face.

 

The story has been presented in the mainstream media and here is another link

https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/news/ufos-aliens-harvard-uap-cryptoterrestrial-hypothesis/

The hypothesis is that the UFOs/UAPs seen by many different obervers and tracked on radar can be attributed (some of them) to a civilization that has gone stealth as it lives among us. They are arguing they could be walking among us and look like humans or even living underground. They don't say this is correct but a possibility that should be examined. Again, great to see there are a number of academics who are taking this view.

The idea is not new:

https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/esp_vida_alien_52.htm

[Piney]

6 minutes ago, MrAnderson said:

I don't see how.

The authors have stated this is speculative work that needs to be considered and not rejected as fringe or impossible.

You guys need to read the paper first.

There is no problem with speculation and hypothesis  at this level.

You need to keep the important part of the story: A number of academics and scientists who have these 'fringe' views. We can extend this to the armed and security forces personel and elsewhere. That's the most important aspect of the paper imo.

Fixed that. For a hypothesis you need some evidence. There is absolutely none for a second technological organism on this planet in any geological or archeological record.

Fringe views are common everywhere now since social media destroys critical thinking skills. 

[Ell]

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UAP may reflect activities of intelligent beings concealed in stealth here on Earth (e.g., underground), and/or its near environs (e.g., the moon), and/or even “walking  among us” (e.g., passing as humans).

They are the united high IQ sociopaths (and their minions); maybe also including some high IQ narcissists.

Sure, they pass as humans, because ... guess what ... they are humans. They, being sociopaths (or narcissists), by definition are severely mentally handicapped humans.

[Piney]

36 minutes ago, Abramelin said:

The idea is not new:

https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/esp_vida_alien_52.htm

"Originally published by Pravda Online" 😄

[MrAnderson]

4 hours ago, Piney said:

Fixed that. For a hypothesis you need some evidence. There is absolutely none for a second technological organism on this planet in any geological or archeological record.

Fringe views are common everywhere now since social media destroys critical thinking skills. 

You can still make a hypothesis without much. Just entertain whatever probabilities exist or you think exist.

These academics present their own views and are from different departments and not from the natural sciences. They present philosophical views mainly.

But the idea isn't what most people think and have misinterpreted here. They didn't say they have facts but that even the most unlikely scenario needs to be examined and not rejected outright.

It's good when you see people fron different disciplines saying what they think about this subject and other things I suppose.

[MrAnderson]

4 hours ago, Ell said:

They are the united high IQ sociopaths (and their minions); maybe also including some high IQ narcissists.

Sure, they pass as humans, because ... guess what ... they are humans. They, being sociopaths (or narcissists), by definition are severely mentally handicapped humans.

Likely some of the UFOs are human. No objection here. Are all the UFOs human? Is there a parallel civilization living among us? Nothing wrong asking these questions. Is there a robotic intelligence behind this phenomenon?

[astrobeing]

6 minutes ago, MrAnderson said:

You can still make a hypothesis without much.

As long as you don't care if the hypothesis is correct. And the authors of this paper apparently don't care.

[Abramelin]

3 hours ago, Piney said:

"Originally published by Pravda Online" 😄

Well, then it must be true, right?

Edited July 12 by Abramelin

[Piney]

Just now, MrAnderson said:

You can still make a hypothesis without much. Just entertain whatever probabilities exist or you think exist.

These academics present their own views and are from different departments and not from the natural sciences. They present philosophical views mainly.

But the idea isn't what most people think and have misinterpreted here. They didn't say they have facts but that even the most unlikely scenario needs to be examined and not rejected outright.

It's good when you see people fron different disciplines saying what they think about this subject and other things I suppose.

We have ice cores containing atmosphere bubbles going back 2.7 million years. These ice cores show when copper smelting started (On top of the Jordan being the world's first polluted river). They show pollution from the Iron Age. 

On top of the lack of pollution caused by industry in the geological record and tool production evidence in the archaeology record prior to the rise of Hominids. 

Nothing previous. Which means nothing developed technology before us so there is really nothing to "entertain" 

[Abramelin]

2 minutes ago, Piney said:

On top of the Jordan being the world's first polluted river). They show pollution from the Iron Age. 

The oldest polluted river is the Rio Tinto in Spain. That pollution dates from Neolithic times.

[Piney]

13 minutes ago, Abramelin said:

The oldest polluted river is the Rio Tinto in Spain. That pollution dates from Neolithic times.

So does the Jordan's. 

[Abramelin]

23 minutes ago, Piney said:

So does the Jordan's. 

The Iron Age came long after the Neolithic.

[Piney]

5 minutes ago, Abramelin said:

The Iron Age came long after the Neolithic.

I said copper concerning the Jordan. Read the post again. 

[lightly]

Interesting to think about some sort of  Inhabited parallel existence!     …just slightly of of sync TIMEwise ..   or existing in dark matter .. or sumpthin sumpthin. 

[Abramelin]

4 minutes ago, Piney said:

I said copper concerning the Jordan. Read the post again. 

You said:

"We have ice cores containing atmosphere bubbles going back 2.7 million years. These ice cores show when copper smelting started (On top of the Jordan being the world's first polluted river). They show pollution from the Iron Age."

Ok. Say it in different words for I am confused now.

[Piney]

7 minutes ago, Abramelin said:

You said:

"We have ice cores containing atmosphere bubbles going back 2.7 million years.

These ice cores show when copper smelting started (On top of the Jordan being the world's first polluted river).

 

7 minutes ago, Abramelin said:

They show pollution from the Iron Age."

 

7 minutes ago, Abramelin said:

Ok. Say it in different words for I am confused now.

How's this? 

[papageorge1]

I think we are at a time where speculative thought should be welcomed.

I have come to believe there are beings in our earth plane not usually at the purely physical level of our senses. But they and their equipment may occasionally pop into view. My view comes from the claims of many sources.

[Abramelin]

20 minutes ago, Piney said:

 

 

How's this? 

I'll ask you again ... next day.