Harvard & Montana Academics On The Cryptoterrestrial Hypothesis

[Grim Reaper 6]

14 minutes ago, Hazzard said:

There were rumors that my grandmother had psychic powers... If you believe in that stuff?

 

Anyway... 

The Stargate Project was terminated in 1995 following an independent review which concluded:

The foregoing observations provide a compelling argument against continuation of the program within the intelligence community. Even though a statistically significant effect has been observed in the laboratory, it remains unclear whether the existence of a paranormal phenomenon, remote viewing, has been demonstrated. The laboratory studies do not provide evidence regarding the origins or nature of the phenomenon, assuming it exists, nor do they address an important methodological issue of inter-judge reliability.

 

Further, even if it could be demonstrated unequivocally that a paranormal phenomenon occurs under the conditions present in the laboratory paradigm, these conditions have limited applicability and utility for intelligence gathering operations. For example, the nature of the remote viewing targets are vastly dissimilar, as are the specific tasks required of the remote viewers. Most importantly, the information provided by remote viewing is vague and ambiguous, making it difficult, if not impossible, for the technique to yield information of sufficient quality and accuracy of information for actionable intelligence.

Thus, we conclude that continued use of remote viewing in intelligence gathering operations is not warranted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stargate_Project#1990s

Thanks for the explanation and information it makes sense to me that intelligence gathering operations were not effective. But speaking about your grandmother, my mother had similar abilities, however I think this ability is very rare. As science delves farther into the abilities of the human brain, there is no telling what may be discovered. 

[Piney]

38 minutes ago, MrAnderson said:

I know and I said others will reject it outright and others will be more open to it.

Like the ideas of David Icke?

[Piney]

7 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said:

Would it? How can you explain something that’s beyond our comprehension without first understanding what they are or where they come from. 
 

For that to happen, a UFO would have to land on the front lawn of Harvard University and be examined before the government got to it. What are the chances of that?

I'm not talking about "visitors". I'm talking about astrobiology. What could be "out there". 

[Dejarma]

9 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said:

😂. 

fantastic reply-  the backbone of the believers- well done

Edited July 12 by Dejarma

[Hazzard]

7 minutes ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

 As science delves farther into the abilities of the human brain, there is no telling what may be discovered. 

Wouldnt that be awesome.

Sadly though, to this date, there is no credible evidence that anything like that is happening on the outside of the cranium.

Edited July 12 by Hazzard

[MrAnderson]

34 minutes ago, Dejarma said:

 

ok, right eeer.... What's written in paper is what will be examined, yes? Give me an example of something in the paper that can be looked at scientifically.

What hypothesis has been put forward in this paper that can be looked at by academics & scientists? Give us an example, if you have time

The hypothesis of cryptoterrstrials living among us. See title of the paper. It's their paper remember and not mine. Thry didn't make a claim they exist but no matter how fringe it sounds it shouldn't be rejected outright but examined. I suppose they are speaking from a philosophical viewpoint. We are repeating ourselves. You can read it. I don't know how all scientists will react but many will reject it outright imo.

[Piney]

2 minutes ago, Hazzard said:

Wouldnt that be awesome.

Sadly though, to this date, there is no credible evidence that anything like that is happening on the outside of the cranium.

Speaking of craniums, drop bear keeps peeking in and out. I wonder if he's still Googling. 😆

[Grim Reaper 6]

Just now, Hazzard said:

Wouldnt that be awesome.

Sadly though, to this date, there is no credible evidence that anything like that is happening on the outside of the believers cranium.

I agree, however my mother proved that actions speak louder than words on many occasions so I am on the fence!

Have you ever experienced intuition?

Mine saved my life in the Middle East, and over the years I have learned to pay attention to it which has served me well!

[Piney]

1 minute ago, MrAnderson said:

The hypothesis of cryptoterrstrials living among us. See title of the paper. It's their paper remember and not mine. Thry didn't make a claim they exist but no matter how fringe it sounds it shouldn't be rejected outright but examined. I suppose they are speaking from a philosophical viewpoint. We are repeating ourselves. You can read it. I don't know how all scientists will react but many will reject it outright imo.

It wasn't hard to examine with nothing in the geological, archaeological or climate record.

What is left?

[MrAnderson]

8 minutes ago, Piney said:

Like the ideas of David Icke?

Are you sure it has to be someone like David Icke who will accept these fringe views?

[Piney]

Just now, MrAnderson said:

Are you sure it has to be someone like David Icke who will accept these fringe views?

With no evidence for it whatsoever......yes...

[Dejarma]

1 minute ago, MrAnderson said:

We are repeating ourselves

no, you are! what can be looked at & studied? i'm asking for YOUR opinion as a member of this place.

i've read the paper--- i can't see anything that can be studied scientifically.. you're becoming tedious= don't do it 😉

you can do better i'm sure 

[MrAnderson]

Just now, Piney said:

It wasn't hard to examine with nothing in the geological, archaeological or climate record.

What is left?

That's why the hypothesis is for the 'cryptoterrestrials'. They haven't left any record. They are stealth according to them.

[Unusual Tournament]

11 minutes ago, Piney said:

I'm not talking about "visitors". I'm talking about astrobiology. What could be "out there". 

I’m talking about have an informational base to study and understand first. You can’t look for biological evidence if you don’t know what the data is

[MrAnderson]

4 minutes ago, Dejarma said:

no, you are! what can be looked at & studied? i'm asking for YOUR opinion as a member of this place.

i've read the paper--- i can't see anything that can be studied scientifically.. you're becoming tedious= don't do it 😉

you can do better i'm sure 

But nobody has said it is a scientific publication. And I said this several times, it's at a philosophical level. If you have read the paper the abstract and the first few paragraphs you won't ask these questions.

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[Unusual Tournament]

5 minutes ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

I agree, however my mother proved that actions speak louder than words on many occasions so I am on the fence!

Have you ever experienced intuition?

Mine saved my life in the Middle East, and over the years I have learned to pay attention to it which has served me well!

Intuition and dreams have saved my life. Can’t prove other than my own experience and word on it. Does that make it any less real?

[MrAnderson]

6 minutes ago, Piney said:

With no evidence for it whatsoever......yes...

There is no evidence for string theory either and nothing to back up it experimentally. It's just mathematical speculation but yet it's not Icke who works on the field but a number of theoretical physicists.

Sometimes people accept an idea without having the evidence or proof at that moment in time.

[Unusual Tournament]

8 minutes ago, Piney said:

It wasn't hard to examine with nothing in the geological, archaeological or climate record.

What is left?

Give it a rest Piney. Radio waves existed for billions of years before anybody noticed them, and proving they existed without evidence was academically risky but anyone that guessed or used logical deduction was proven correct 

[Dejarma]

2 minutes ago, MrAnderson said:

But nobody has said it is a scientific publication. And I said this several times, it's at a philosophical level.

it's your opinion it's philosophical 'i think'? am i wrong?

 

[MrAnderson]

5 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said:

Intuition and dreams have saved my life. Can’t prove other than my own experience and word on it. Does that make it any less real?

To you it's very real. Others would like to see something more.

[Unusual Tournament]

1 minute ago, MrAnderson said:

To you it's very real. Others would like to see something more.

Correct but if it changed my possible future then it was very real to me. So it’s real!

[Dejarma]

3 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said:

Give it a rest Piney. Radio waves existed for billions of years before anybody noticed them, and proving they existed without evidence was academically risky but anyone that guessed or used logical deduction was proven correct 

yeah that's because radio waves really exist

[MrAnderson]

1 minute ago, Dejarma said:

it's your opinion it's philosophical 'i think'? am i wrong?

 

Read the paper and the first thing you will see is the area of expertise of these academics. Mainly in anthropology and psychology. Then read what they say about their work being highly speculative with and most likely not true. The paper reflects the views of the authors only. Personal opinion and philosophy.

[Unusual Tournament]

2 minutes ago, Dejarma said:

yeah that's because radio waves really exist

According to your logic, no they didn’t until science had the instruments to measure and identify radio waves 

[MrAnderson]

6 hours ago, lightly said:

Interesting to think about some sort of  Inhabited parallel existence!     …just slightly of of sync TIMEwise ..   or existing in dark matter .. or sumpthin sumpthin. 

The purpose of the paper is this. To raise an interest in some otherwise fringe view and argue that even fringe views need consideration at some level.