Harvard & Montana Academics On The Cryptoterrestrial Hypothesis

[Unusual Tournament]

So @Piney Because science hasn’t the instruments or knowledge to prove UAP are aliens or crypto terrestrial we should completely disregard aliens as a possibility?

[Dejarma]

6 minutes ago, MrAnderson said:

There is no evidence for string theory either and nothing to back up it experimentally. It's just mathematical speculation but yet it's not Icke who works on the field but a number of theoretical physicists.

Sometimes people accept an idea without having the evidence or proof at that moment in time.

this is your thread... all due respect but what are you trying to prove= what is your point?

because 'academics' have said something it must hold validity? is that the point?

because the reality of it all regarding this thread topic academia/ science knows as much as Fred the road sweeper== which is of course naff all with regards to data to study

[Piney]

18 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said:

I’m talking about have an informational base to study and understand first. You can’t look for biological evidence if you don’t know what the data is

The laws of biochemistry are "universal". We are finding sugars in nebula so something is certainly cooking out there.

13 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said:

Give it a rest Piney. Radio waves existed for billions of years before anybody noticed them, and proving they existed without evidence was academically risky but anyone that guessed or used logical deduction was proven correct 

We can detect them. 

[Grim Reaper 6]

7 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said:

Intuition and dreams have saved my life. Can’t prove other than my own experience and word on it. Does that make it any less real?

No it certainly doesn’t, I believe intuition is not supernatural. I think everyone has intuition, however most people disregard it, and listen. I think that intuition is part of our subconscious mind. For me when I experience it affects my stomach would become unsettled if I didn't follow it, so like I said I have learned to pay attention to it and follow it..

During the first Gulf War, one of my soldiers was driving us back to our HQ unit and wanted to take a short cut down another road. Before he turned my intuition kicked in and told me not to allow it. So, I stopped him and said to take the normal route, later that day I heard that another vehicle had taken that short cut. Long story short, everyone in the vehicle was killed by an IED, later that day my soldier came up to me asked how I knew. I told him I was just following my gut, he was shaking his head as he walked away. 

[Piney]

1 minute ago, Unusual Tournament said:

So @Piney Because science hasn’t the instruments or knowledge to prove UAP are aliens or crypto terrestrial we should completely disregard aliens as a possibility?

Cryptoterrstrials would leave evidence of their past.

[Piney]

24 minutes ago, MrAnderson said:

That's why the hypothesis is for the 'cryptoterrestrials'. They haven't left any record. They are stealth according to them.

Damn good not to leave a record of their industrial age. Not even a stone tool or chunk of alloy.

Look at our industrial record. It's a few hundred thousand years long and spread everywhere.

[MrAnderson]

16 minutes ago, Dejarma said:

this is your thread... all due respect but what are you trying to prove= what is your point?

because 'academics' have said something it must hold validity? is that the point?

because the reality of it all regarding this thread topic academia/ science knows as much as Fred the road sweeper== which is of course naff all with regards to data to study

I was having a conversation earlier about the amount of money spent in academia. A poster said it was just waste of money for the grant given to produce this paper (although I don't know if they are funded for their personal opinions)And it's just one paper. I said would you consider too string theory to be waste of time because there are no results and nothing to back up the theory at an experimental level. Still people get their PhDs in string theory and there is a lot of funding in the area which could be a dead end.

And I have spent years in academia having studied maths and physics. And my research is in theoretical physics but not string theory.

Edited July 13 by MrAnderson

[Dejarma]

6 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said:

According to your logic, no they didn’t until science had the instruments to measure and identify radio waves 

yeah which is exactly the point I've been making for years!! Cheers

as an example:

with the tech we have these days yet  in mid 2024 those who believe in bigfoot STILL haven't proved it exists.

It's impossible to prove the existence of something that does not exist- hence 90+ years of so called modern ufology & the search for proof of the supernatural with fek all to show for it!!

I feel the need to rest my case here- unless you can change my feelings on it? I'm all ears, UT me ol' mate 😉

[Unusual Tournament]

8 minutes ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

No it certainly doesn’t, I believe intuition is not supernatural. I think everyone has intuition, however most people disregard it, and listen. I think that intuition is part of our subconscious mind. For me when I experience it affects my stomach would become unsettled if I didn't follow it, so like I said I have learned to pay attention to it and follow it..

During the first Gulf War, one of my soldiers was driving us back to our HQ unit and wanted to take a short cut down another road. Before he turned my intuition kicked in and told me not to allow it. So, I stopped him and said to take the normal route, later that day I heard that another vehicle had taken that short cut. Long story short, everyone in the vehicle was killed by an IED, later that day my soldier came up to me asked how I knew. I told him I was just following my gut, he was shaking his head as he walked away. 

Thanks for sharing. I’ve had similar experiences. I’ve found that dreams are real fate that cannot be altered and intuition is a warning or opportunity to be listened to. 
 

But because everyone has intuition doesn’t mean it’s not really supernatural. For all we know it’s just as real and part of us as breathing. Some are more accepting of intuition and others are not. That’s why I believe we must never follow any fixed religious dogma or societal values or ideologies that would blunt or cloud any sixth sense. 
 

So here we are, two regular guys that swear by  intuition and sixth senses and yet we can’t prove it conclusively with any scientific method. It exists for us and yet not to everyone else. So is it real or not?

[Unusual Tournament]

8 minutes ago, Dejarma said:

yeah which is exactly the point I've been making for years!! Cheers

as an example:

with the tech we have these days yet  in mid 2024 those who believe in bigfoot STILL haven't proved it exists.

It's impossible to prove the existence of something that does not exist- hence 90+ years of so called modern ufology & the search for proof of the supernatural with fek all to show for it!!

I feel the need to rest my case here- unless you can change my feelings on it? I'm all ears, UT me ol' mate 😉

Yes have a rest. You’ve done a terrific job 😒 😂

[Dejarma]

8 minutes ago, MrAnderson said:

And I have spent years in academia having studied maths and physics.

then it shouldn't be difficult for you to at least attempt an answer to the questions I've posed in post 112.

You're quickly going from tedious to boring in my personal assessment-- answer the question== you don't have to..

Just don't reply to anything I say & leave it at that, it's your choice my friend 👍

Peace.

Dej...

[MrAnderson]

10 minutes ago, Dejarma said:

then it shouldn't be difficult for you to at least attempt an answer to the questions I've posed in post 112.

You're quickly going from tedious to boring in my personal assessment-- answer the question== you don't have to..

Just don't reply to anything I say & leave it at that, it's your choice my friend 👍

Peace.

Dej...

 

I have already answered many times. The paper is not a scientific publication. That says it all.

Edited July 13 by MrAnderson

[Grim Reaper 6]

13 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said:

Thanks for sharing. I’ve had similar experiences. I’ve found that dreams are real fate that cannot be altered and intuition is a warning or opportunity to be listened to. 
 

But because everyone has intuition doesn’t mean it’s not really supernatural. For all we know it’s just as real and part of us as breathing. Some are more accepting of intuition and others are not. That’s why I believe we must never follow any fixed religious dogma or societal values or ideologies that would blunt or cloud any sixth sense. 
 

So here we are, two regular guys that swear by  intuition and sixth senses and yet we can’t prove it conclusively with any scientific method. It exists for us and yet not to everyone else. So is it real or not?

I believe that based upon experience our subconscious mind can alert us to things we already know both consciously and while a sleep. I don’t believe it is supernatural, I think it’s more like common sense. All, I can say is I allow my intuition to guide me because it has been proven to be effective so many times.

JIMHO

Edited July 13 by Grim Reaper 6

[Unusual Tournament]

2 minutes ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

I believe that based upon experience our subconscious mind can alert us to things we already know both consciously and while a sleep. I believe it is supernatural, I think it’s more like common sense. All, I can say is I allow my intuition to guide me because it has been proven to be effective so many times.

JIMHO

Me too. 

[Dejarma]

3 minutes ago, MrAnderson said:

I have already answered many times. The papet is not a scientific publication. That says it all.

the paper is hypothesizing ufos== what data are they referring to?

[Unusual Tournament]

31 minutes ago, Piney said:

The laws of biochemistry are "universal". We are finding sugars in nebula so something is certainly cooking out there.

We can detect them. 

Well you’re just speculating on biochemistry and we can only detect radio waves since the 1930’s. 
 

The discovery of radio waves, which was widely seen as confirmation of James Clerk Maxwell's electromagnetic theory and paved the way for numerous advances in communication technology, was made by German physicist Heinrich Hertz. Before that Maxwell, according to your thinking, would have been a fringie 

https://nationalmaglab.org/magnet-academy/history-of-electricity-magnetism/pioneers/heinrich-hertz/#:~:text=The discovery of radio waves,by German physicist Heinrich Hertz.

[Piney]

21 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said:

Thanks for sharing. I’ve had similar experiences. I’ve found that dreams are real fate that cannot be altered and intuition is a warning or opportunity to be listened to. 
 

But because everyone has intuition doesn’t mean it’s not really supernatural. For all we know it’s just as real and part of us as breathing. Some are more accepting of intuition and others are not. That’s why I believe we must never follow any fixed religious dogma or societal values or ideologies that would blunt or cloud any sixth sense. 
 

So here we are, two regular guys that swear by  intuition and sixth senses and yet we can’t prove it conclusively with any scientific method. It exists for us and yet not to everyone else. So is it real or not?

That's why I don't talk about my personal spirituality and experiences on here. I have no evidence so there is no sense arguing. 

[Unusual Tournament]

Just now, Piney said:

That's why I don't talk about my personal spirituality and experiences on here. I have no evidence so there is no sense arguing. 

Fair enough 

[Piney]

Just now, Unusual Tournament said:

Fair enough 

Gotta go. My batteries are flat on both my tablets and now me phone is about to go tits up.

Talk later.

[Golden Duck]

41 minutes ago, Piney said:

Damn good not to leave a record of their industrial age. Not even a stone tool or chunk of alloy.

Look at our industrial record. It's a few hundred thousand years long and spread everywhere.

The paper offers stealth as an explanation for why CT has remained hidden.  It's a god of the gaps argument.

Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem

[MrAnderson]

1 hour ago, Golden Duck said:

The paper offers stealth as an explanation for why CT has remained hidden.  It's a god of the gaps argument.

Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem

🤗

That's what they say.

[MrAnderson]

1 hour ago, Unusual Tournament said:

Well you’re just speculating on biochemistry and we can only detect radio waves since the 1930’s. 
 

The discovery of radio waves, which was widely seen as confirmation of James Clerk Maxwell's electromagnetic theory and paved the way for numerous advances in communication technology, was made by German physicist Heinrich Hertz. Before that Maxwell, according to your thinking, would have been a fringie 

https://nationalmaglab.org/magnet-academy/history-of-electricity-magnetism/pioneers/heinrich-hertz/#:~:text=The discovery of radio waves,by German physicist Heinrich Hertz.

According to this logic he would have been a fringe scientist.

And it's a lot of speculation on biochemistry.

[Abramelin]

12 hours ago, Piney said:

The Jordan River shows copper pollution dating 7,000 years ago. 

Ok.

https://www.world-archaeology.com/features/wadi-faynan-copper-mine/

Interesting: they stopped mining around the time it started in Iberia.

[Grim Reaper 6]

7 hours ago, Piney said:

Gotta go. My batteries are flat on both my tablets and now me phone is about to go tits up.

Talk later.

Take care, my friend! See you soon! 😊

[-Horta]

15 hours ago, MrAnderson said:

You can still make a hypothesis without much. Just entertain whatever probabilities exist or you think exist.

Isn't the point of a hypothesis that it can be tested in at least some way to see if it has any legs? Without that, all you've got is just another "string theory" (just joking string theorists lol). Which doesn't doesn't mean it can't be relevant or interesting. I read a presentation once long ago that proposed modern humans were the result of genetic manipulation by another species (aliens?) based on certain HAR regions of the genome, from memory. Found it fascinating and if nothing else, helped me learn a lot more about the subject.

The problem with all of these things is that they don't seem to have supporting evidence sufficient to make them more than interesting speculation. Though I agree with the principle of academic freedom that would allow at least some resources devoted to these subjects.