New PM sees popularity rating surge by 14 points after election win (Mail)

[pellinore]

The UK public has spoken, and they approve of the new govt.!

Sir Keir Starmer is experiencing 'something of a honeymoon period' with the public, seeing a surge in popularity since he entered No10.

Voters' impressions of the new Prime Minister have improved since July 4, a poll survey by Ipsos found.

Some 40 per cent saying they had a favourable view of Sir Keir, six points higher than in the last week of the campaign, while the number saying they had an unfavourable view of Sir Keir has fallen from 41 per cent to 33 per cent.

He has a net favourability on +7, compared to -13 before the election campaign began.

The poll, carried out immediately after the election on July 5 and 6, is the first time Ipsos has given Sir Keir a net positive approval rating since the brief Liz Truss premiership in October 2022.

Keir Starmer's 'honeymoon' with Brits: New PM sees lacklustre popularity rating surge by 14 points after election win puts him in No10 - but there is no sympathy for beaten Rishi Sunak | Daily Mail Online

Edited July 12 by pellinore

[OpenMindedSceptic]

44 minutes ago, pellinore said:

The UK public has spoken, and they approve of the new govt.!

Sir Keir Starmer is experiencing 'something of a honeymoon period' with the public, seeing a surge in popularity since he entered No10.

Voters' impressions of the new Prime Minister have improved since July 4, a poll survey by Ipsos found.

Some 40 per cent saying they had a favourable view of Sir Keir, six points higher than in the last week of the campaign, while the number saying they had an unfavourable view of Sir Keir has fallen from 41 per cent to 33 per cent.

He has a net favourability on +7, compared to -13 before the election campaign began.

The poll, carried out immediately after the election on July 5 and 6, is the first time Ipsos has given Sir Keir a net positive approval rating since the brief Liz Truss premiership in October 2022.

Keir Starmer's 'honeymoon' with Brits: New PM sees lacklustre popularity rating surge by 14 points after election win puts him in No10 - but there is no sympathy for beaten Rishi Sunak | Daily Mail Online

So let's recap. 60% of people do not have a favourable view of Starmer, this is after Sunak's reign. lmao

[Alchopwn]

1 minute ago, OpenMindedSceptic said:

So let's recap. 60% of people do not have a favourable view of Starmer, this is after Sunak's reign. lmao

Yes, but they still voted for Starmer instead of Sunak at the election.  What conclusion can we draw from that.  They preferred someone they didn't know or trust over Sunak.  That's how bad Sunak was.

Edited July 12 by Alchopwn

[L.A.T.1961]

1 hour ago, Alchopwn said:

Yes, but they still voted for Starmer instead of Sunak at the election.  What conclusion can we draw from that.  They preferred someone they didn't know or trust over Sunak.  That's how bad Sunak was.

I don't think the comparison between Starmer, NATO meeting, and poor old Biden has done Starmer any harm.😉

 

[OpenMindedSceptic]

2 hours ago, Alchopwn said:

Yes, but they still voted for Starmer instead of Sunak at the election.  What conclusion can we draw from that.  They preferred someone they didn't know or trust over Sunak.  That's how bad Sunak was.

I don't disagree but Pellinore is trying to claim some sort of astounding popularity for Starmer..he does get easily led by headlines 

[Setton]

2 hours ago, OpenMindedSceptic said:

So let's recap. 60% of people do not have a favourable view of Starmer, this is after Sunak's reign. lmao

He's more popular than Farage. Suck it up.

[OpenMindedSceptic]

1 hour ago, Setton said:

He's more popular than Farage. Suck it up.

I am nky sure that's been mentioned anywhere before. I'll take that as you conceding in Starmer.

[Setton]

17 minutes ago, OpenMindedSceptic said:

I am nky sure that's been mentioned anywhere before. I'll take that as you conceding in Starmer.

Literally in the OP.

 

Edited July 12 by Setton

[pellinore]

6 hours ago, OpenMindedSceptic said:

So let's recap. 60% of people do not have a favourable view of Starmer, this is after Sunak's reign. lmao

Labour have inherited a UK beset with problems: NHS record level waiting lists, prison system jammed, courts crumbling and with waiting lists, schools crumbling and teacher shortages, asylum system overwhelmed, housing shortage, record levels of mortgage payments, borders left open, uncontrolled sewage into the seas, river and lakes, record water bills- there is too much to list. Every part of the UK is falling apart, due to lack of investment- not extra investment, just the normal day-to-day expenses of running a country.

Not due to the Conservative Party- we haven't seen them since Brexit. But due to the Brexiter govt- they not unreasonably decided that, since the public were gullible enough to vote to make themselves poorer and less free, they may just as well rob them of as much taxpayer's money as they could. And that is what they did.

But the UK public aren't fools, and the first chance they had since they saw what Brexit was really about, was to boot the clowns onto oblivion.

Starmer doesn't have to be a superhero, he just has to be honest and law abiding. That in itself is refreshing and will keep him in power for several terms.

Edited July 12 by pellinore

[OpenMindedSceptic]

14 hours ago, pellinore said:

Labour have inherited a UK beset with problems: NHS record level waiting lists, prison system jammed, courts crumbling and with waiting lists, schools crumbling and teacher shortages, asylum system overwhelmed, housing shortage, record levels of mortgage payments, borders left open, uncontrolled sewage into the seas, river and lakes, record water bills- there is too much to list. Every part of the UK is falling apart, due to lack of investment- not extra investment, just the normal day-to-day expenses of running a country.

Not due to the Conservative Party- we haven't seen them since Brexit. But due to the Brexiter govt- they not unreasonably decided that, since the public were gullible enough to vote to make themselves poorer and less free, they may just as well rob them of as much taxpayer's money as they could. And that is what they did.

But the UK public aren't fools, and the first chance they had since they saw what Brexit was really about, was to boot the clowns onto oblivion.

Starmer doesn't have to be a superhero, he just has to be honest and law abiding. That in itself is refreshing and will keep him in power for several terms.

And still, 60% of people do not think of Starmer favourably.

I'll have a wager, Starmer / Liebour do not make it to a 3rd term.

 

 

[A rather obscure Bassoon]

On 7/12/2024 at 9:15 AM, pellinore said:

The UK public has spoken, and they approve of the new govt.!

Sir Keir Starmer is experiencing 'something of a honeymoon period' with the public, seeing a surge in popularity since he entered No10.

Voters' impressions of the new Prime Minister have improved since July 4, a poll survey by Ipsos found.

Some 40 per cent saying they had a favourable view of Sir Keir, six points higher than in the last week of the campaign, while the number saying they had an unfavourable view of Sir Keir has fallen from 41 per cent to 33 per cent.

He has a net favourability on +7, compared to -13 before the election campaign began.

The poll, carried out immediately after the election on July 5 and 6, is the first time Ipsos has given Sir Keir a net positive approval rating since the brief Liz Truss premiership in October 2022.

Keir Starmer's 'honeymoon' with Brits: New PM sees lacklustre popularity rating surge by 14 points after election win puts him in No10 - but there is no sympathy for beaten Rishi Sunak | Daily Mail Online

In a poll conducted by The  New Worker 😄

[A rather obscure Bassoon]

6 hours ago, OpenMindedSceptic said:

And still, 60% of people do not think of Starmer favourably.

I'll have a wager, Starmer / Liebour do not make it to a 3rd term.

 

 

Starmer won’t make to the 2nd term, he is a means to an end.Get labour in power then someone from the radical left will take him out.

[OpenMindedSceptic]

28 minutes ago, A rather obscure Bassoon said:

Starmer won’t make to the 2nd term, he is a means to an end.Get labour in power then someone from the radical left will take him out.

He is quite good pals with Corbyn... the inner socialist will shine v soon I think, then it won't be long before it's all over for Liebour 

[Setton]

8 hours ago, OpenMindedSceptic said:

And still, 60% of people do not think of Starmer favourably.

I'll have a wager, Starmer / Liebour do not make it to a 3rd term.

And replaced with who?

You're buddy Farage who 74% of people do not think favourably of?

Notice you've completely ignored that still.

6 hours ago, A rather obscure Bassoon said:

In a poll conducted by The  New Worker 😄

By IPSOS actually. Very reputable.

[OpenMindedSceptic]

4 minutes ago, Setton said:

And replaced with who?

You're buddy Farage who 74% of people do not think favourably of?

Notice you've completely ignored that still.

By IPSOS actually. Very reputable.

Replace him with a turnip for all the good politicians do.

Anyway, IPSOS:

During the 2021-22 United States election cycle, in the last 21 days before each election, Ipsos polls only correctly predicted winners 17% of the time, according to a FiveThirtyEight analysis of elections for state governor, U.S. Senate, and House of Representatives

[Setton]

5 minutes ago, OpenMindedSceptic said:

Replace him with a turnip for all the good politicians do.

Anyway, IPSOS:

During the 2021-22 United States election cycle, in the last 21 days before each election, Ipsos polls only correctly predicted winners 17% of the time, according to a FiveThirtyEight analysis of elections for state governor, U.S. Senate, and House of Representatives

So now you think the poll that you say shows most people don't view Starmer favourably is unreliable?

Fantastic news, great to have you on board!

[OpenMindedSceptic]

1 minute ago, Setton said:

So now you think the poll that you say shows most people don't view Starmer favourably is unreliable?

Fantastic news, great to have you on board!

You are confronted with absolute proof that IPSOS cannot get it right 83% of the time and you dig in even further... 

Fantastic. You are delusional.

[Setton]

3 minutes ago, OpenMindedSceptic said:

You are confronted with absolute proof that IPSOS cannot get it right 83% of the time and you dig in even further... 

Fantastic. You are delusional.

Once again the point is about 50 feet over your head. Let's try it slowly for the slower members of the class.

1. The OP references a poll by IPSOS.

2. You claim the OP shows Starmer is unpopular.

3. You then claim IPSOS is unreliable.

4. Therefore, your claim that Starmer is unpopular is also unreliable.

Or if you want to stick with your claim about Starmer, you could use the more relevant statistic that IPSOS has correctly predicted the last 4 UK election results.

Oh and this "quote":

Quote

During the 2021-22 United States election cycle, in the last 21 days before each election, Ipsos polls only correctly predicted winners 17% of the time, according to a FiveThirtyEight analysis of elections for state governor, U.S. Senate, and House of Representatives

Doesn't come back from a search. Can you provide a source or did you fabricate the whole thing?

[OpenMindedSceptic]

5 minutes ago, Setton said:

Once again the point is about 50 feet over your head. Let's try it slowly for the slower members of the class.

1. The OP references a poll by IPSOS.

2. You claim the OP shows Starmer is unpopular.

3. You then claim IPSOS is unreliable.

4. Therefore, your claim that Starmer is unpopular is also unreliable.

Or if you want to stick with your claim about Starmer, you could use the more relevant statistic that IPSOS has correctly predicted the last 4 UK election results.

Oh and this "quote":

Doesn't come back from a search. Can you provide a source or did you fabricate the whole thing?

My quote is true.

You are so far adrift, no amount of data will help you.

[Setton]

26 minutes ago, OpenMindedSceptic said:

My quote is true.

And yet no source. Curious.

[pellinore]

1 hour ago, Setton said:

Once again the point is about 50 feet over your head. Let's try it slowly for the slower members of the class.

1. The OP references a poll by IPSOS.

2. You claim the OP shows Starmer is unpopular.

3. You then claim IPSOS is unreliable.

4. Therefore, your claim that Starmer is unpopular is also unreliable.

Or if you want to stick with your claim about Starmer, you could use the more relevant statistic that IPSOS has correctly predicted the last 4 UK election results.

Oh and this "quote":

Doesn't come back from a search. Can you provide a source or did you fabricate the whole thing?

This is one of the funniest threads I've read in a while. First OpenMindedSceptic argues that the poll doesn't show what it clearly does show, and then when that argument falls flat, argues that if it does show what is claimed, it is unreliable so it isn't true anyway- although the facts are presented graphically and literally.

Stewart Lee is wrong, you can't 'prove anything with facts'. Some people just reject facts if they don't like them.

[OpenMindedSceptic]

16 hours ago, pellinore said:

This is one of the funniest threads I've read in a while. First OpenMindedSceptic argues that the poll doesn't show what it clearly does show, and then when that argument falls flat, argues that if it does show what is claimed, it is unreliable so it isn't true anyway- although the facts are presented graphically and literally.

Stewart Lee is wrong, you can't 'prove anything with facts'. Some people just reject facts if they don't like them.

I have stated exactly what the poll shows, 60% of people not in favour of Starmer. The majority don't have a like of him.

As for IPSOS, with their well known inaccuracies, it is well documented.

I know you and Setton are swayed by headlines in the mainstream media but not being able to look at the counter view using the very same data explains much about your ability to read and comprehend. 

 

[L.A.T.1961]

If his poll ratings are not good now they never will be. He has had no time to do much and those things he has looked at will not have an effect for many months on the economy or the public mood.

But his ability to bend the truth is already out there with his assessment of Biden after the NATO meeting.

Although good to see Starmer is prepared to go all in on protecting the special relationship. 

Keir Starmer says Joe Biden 'on really good form'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9x8w9pxwllo

 

[Setton]

8 hours ago, OpenMindedSceptic said:

I have stated exactly what the poll shows, 60% of people not in favour of Starmer. The majority don't have a like of him.

As for IPSOS, with their well known inaccuracies, it is well documented.

I know you and Setton are swayed by headlines in the mainstream media but not being able to look at the counter view using the very same data explains much about your ability to read and comprehend. 

Farage still 74% not favourable. Still not acknowledged by you.

And you say we can't look at the counter view 😆

Edited July 14 by Setton

[OpenMindedSceptic]

8 hours ago, Setton said:

Farage still 74% not favourable. Still not acknowledged by you.

And you say we can't look at the counter view 😆

It doesn't have to be acknowledged, this headline is about Starmer, you couldn't get your head around the stats. End of. 

To be bring in other factors because you lost the argument is boring me.