+joc Posted July 26 #126 Share Posted July 26 8 hours ago, openozy said: A closed minded rationality maybe, there is evidence from reports of 1/3 of the world's population that have experienced the paranormal. And most of them have seen big foot or witnessed a ufo. Please! You just said there is evidence from reports. You obviously know this because you have seen the reports. So, please share these reports of evidence that show that 2.4 billion people on the planet have experienced 'the paranormal'. There are no reports. You just made that up out of whole cloth. It is quite likely that 100% of people have experienced things they didn't understand. And it is also quite likely that there is a logical reason why they experienced what they experienced. It's all part of what we call normal. Not Para Normal. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
openozy Posted July 26 #127 Share Posted July 26 49 minutes ago, joc said: It is quite likely that 100% of people have experienced things they didn't understand. And it is also quite likely that there is a logical reason why they experienced what they experienced. It's all part of what we call normal. Not Para Normal. Yeah, I'd think it was closer to 100%, it's what I'd call normal, don't know about you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
openozy Posted July 26 #128 Share Posted July 26 52 minutes ago, joc said: 9 hours ago, openozy said: And most of them have seen big foot or witnessed a ufo. That would be a small %. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bed of chaos Posted July 26 #129 Share Posted July 26 On 7/22/2024 at 10:22 PM, Hankenhunter said: Everyone's a skeptic until they aren't. Many skeptics are now changing their minds due to their own experiences. Is it so hard to believe these "ghosts" may be from a different dimension? According to physicists it's very possible. Agreed. People's opinions change if they see something strange or difficult to explain. I think this sites made me more skeptical but I'm still superstitious. I like the quote (Dostoevsky) if I remember correctly "I'm extremely superstitious. I'm sufficiently educated not to be superstitious but I am anyway". 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+joc Posted July 26 #130 Share Posted July 26 26 minutes ago, Bed of chaos said: Agreed. People's opinions change if they see something strange or difficult to explain. I think this sites made me more skeptical but I'm still superstitious. I like the quote (Dostoevsky) if I remember correctly "I'm extremely superstitious. I'm sufficiently educated not to be superstitious but I am anyway". Superstition is caused by fear. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bed of chaos Posted July 26 #131 Share Posted July 26 (edited) 15 minutes ago, joc said: Superstition is caused by fear. Sounds good. Though I'm unsure everything deemed paranormal is related to fear. Edited July 26 by Bed of chaos 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
openozy Posted July 27 #132 Share Posted July 27 6 hours ago, Bed of chaos said: Sounds good. Though I'm unsure everything deemed paranormal is related to fear. A lot of the paranormal is beautiful stuff. I'm personally not fearful of any of it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
openozy Posted July 27 #133 Share Posted July 27 6 hours ago, joc said: Superstition is caused by fear. It's not caused, it's taught BS. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
openozy Posted July 27 #134 Share Posted July 27 15 hours ago, XenoFish said: If there was legit proof of the paranormal, we wouldn't have these discussions. It would be something truly testable, repeatable, it would also change how we look at physics and the conservation of energy. Well there's not so your post is irrelevant. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted July 27 #135 Share Posted July 27 1 hour ago, openozy said: Well there's not so your post is irrelevant. Actually it's pretty damn important. Despite constantly hearing about the quantity, quality, and consistency of stories, there isn't any tangible proof. So the believers only have faith to go on. If ghost, spirits, and other such entities were proven to be a scientific fact. That's a whole new area for science to explore. Considering what "evidence" and "research" we do have the paranormal doesn't hold up. You can believe whatever you wish to believe, that doesn't make it real. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
openozy Posted July 27 #136 Share Posted July 27 5 minutes ago, XenoFish said: If ghost, spirits, and other such entities were proven to be a scientific fact. Well they aren't so end of story. 7 minutes ago, XenoFish said: You can believe whatever you wish to believe, that doesn't make it real. Yes it does when you've experienced it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
openozy Posted July 27 #137 Share Posted July 27 11 minutes ago, XenoFish said: That's a whole new area for science to explore. Considering what "evidence" and "research" we do have the paranormal doesn't hold up. I don't give a toss if scientists can't prove it, means nothing to me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted July 27 #138 Share Posted July 27 3 minutes ago, openozy said: I don't give a toss if scientists can't prove it, means nothing to me. Apparently this is a raw nerve. 5 minutes ago, openozy said: Yes it does when you've experienced it. Only if you don't question the experience. 6 minutes ago, openozy said: Well they aren't so end of story. Which leaves the normal psychological explanations. Basically just imagination. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted July 27 #139 Share Posted July 27 7 minutes ago, openozy said: Yes it does when you've experienced it. unless you can prove it then you can't rant as if it's fact mate!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
openozy Posted July 27 #140 Share Posted July 27 7 minutes ago, XenoFish said: Apparently this is a raw nerve. Only if you don't question the experience. Which leaves the normal psychological explanations. Basically just imagination. No raw nerves, I know it's real and as I said I don't care if anyone else believes it. I scrutinize every experience to prove it to myself. Oh yes, mental illness and imagination, great explanations when you have nothing else, who are you, bats, lol. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
openozy Posted July 27 #141 Share Posted July 27 9 minutes ago, Dejarma said: unless you can prove it then you can't rant as if it's fact mate!!! I'll say what I like mate, don't dictate to me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted July 27 #142 Share Posted July 27 7 minutes ago, openozy said: I'll say what I like mate yeah, as you've demonstrated, but you're having a go at others for not seeing it as you do! To me this is a form of dictation without a dick! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
openozy Posted July 27 #143 Share Posted July 27 10 minutes ago, Dejarma said: yeah, as you've demonstrated, but you're having a go at others for not seeing it as you do! To me this is a form of dictation without a dick! Not having a go at anyone, just debating a subject until you trolled in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted July 27 #144 Share Posted July 27 2 minutes ago, openozy said: Not having a go at anyone, just debating a subject until you trolled in. i'm saying what i like, you can 'say what you like' as you stated in post 141 therefore so can i- fair enough- isn't it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted July 27 #145 Share Posted July 27 6 hours ago, openozy said: No raw nerves, I know it's real and as I said I don't care if anyone else believes it. I scrutinize every experience to prove it to myself. Oh yes, mental illness and imagination, great explanations when you have nothing else, who are you, bats, lol. I have an entire thread of explanations. Which is more than he offers. Proving an experience to yourself is like a company doing an internal investigation. You'll just end up finding exactly what you want. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
openozy Posted July 27 #146 Share Posted July 27 12 hours ago, XenoFish said: I have an entire thread of explanations. Which is more than he offers. Proving an experience to yourself is like a company doing an internal investigation. You'll just end up finding exactly what you want. Yeah I know you put up some good stuff but that post sounded a bit batty, lol. I'm pretty tough on myself, doubting and there's always a question at the end of that but that's how it is with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted July 27 #147 Share Posted July 27 11 minutes ago, openozy said: Yeah I know you put up some good stuff but that post sounded a bit batty, lol. I'm pretty tough on myself, doubting and there's always a question at the end of that but that's how it is with this. Never compare me to bats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
openozy Posted July 27 #148 Share Posted July 27 1 minute ago, XenoFish said: Never compare me to bats. Lol well don't write like him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the13bats Posted July 29 #149 Share Posted July 29 I'm rather flattered I am an obsession that lives rent free in the minds of some but it's also sad my opinion has such weight of course if it didn't I wouldn't be used in the way that I am. What about those raw nerves? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+joc Posted July 29 #150 Share Posted July 29 On 7/26/2024 at 1:01 PM, Bed of chaos said: Sounds good. Though I'm unsure everything deemed paranormal is related to fear. Superstition really has nothing to do with paranormal. It has to do with fear. Plain and simple. Why wouldn't you walk under a ladder? Something bad will happen, it's bad luck. What causes that kind of thinking? Fear. Believing in curses and blesses basically. Who is afraid to be blessed? No one. But you don't want to be cursed. Why not? Fear of being cursed. It ain't heavy, it's my voodoo. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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