What it would be like to be a ghost

[the13bats]

On 7/26/2024 at 8:17 AM, joc said:

And most of them have seen big foot or witnessed a ufo.  Please!  You just said there is evidence from reports.  You obviously know this because you have seen the reports.  So, please share these reports of evidence that show that 2.4 billion people on the planet have experienced 'the paranormal'.    There are no reports.  You just made that up out of whole cloth.

It is quite likely that 100% of people have experienced things they didn't understand.  And it is also quite likely that there is a logical reason why they experienced what they experienced.  It's all part of what we call normal.  Not Para Normal.

You're wasting your time, delusional fantasy is always going to win out over rational logical thinking, let's face it it's far more fun and comforting to blame a ghost than admit something like mental illness or that the person doesn't understand or know every possibility in the world.

[+joc]

On 7/26/2024 at 9:57 PM, openozy said:

No raw nerves, I know it's real and as I said I don't care if anyone else believes it. I scrutinize every experience to prove it to myself. Oh yes, mental illness and imagination, great explanations when you have nothing else, who are you, bats, lol.

You are the confirmation bias for your own confirmation bias.

[openozy]

6 minutes ago, joc said:

You are the confirmation bias for your own confirmation bias.

Just call me CB. I have to, none of you have anything decent as explanations for the paranormal .Oh yeah mental illness, lol. 

[openozy]

14 minutes ago, the13bats said:

it's far more fun and comforting to blame a ghost than admit something like mental illness

But I don't have mental illness, I'm not you.

Edited July 29 by openozy

[+joc]

3 minutes ago, openozy said:

Just call me CB. I have to, none of you have anything decent as explanations for the paranormal .Oh yeah mental illness, lol. 

I'm not calling you anything Oz.  People have experiences all the time.  Experience are a personal thing.  Personal Experience.  But if there is such a thing as Paranormal...if the activity is something that exists in the natural world, then it should be able to be measured.  It's what we humans do you know?  We measure every freaking thing!  So, paranormal activity should be able to be measured as well.  But, the problem is...the Personal Experience.  We cannot measure a 'personal experience'.  Therein lies the problem. The lack of accountability of measurability.  You don't need proof.  That's cool.  I do.  Maybe someday we will find a way to measure such things.  Maybe not.

[openozy]

1 hour ago, joc said:

But if there is such a thing as Paranormal...if the activity is something that exists in the natural world, then it should be able to be measured.  It's what we humans do you know? 

But that's the thing, it doesn't exist in the natural world, that's why it's called supernatural but somehow, some people get a glimpse of it. It's like that cartoon where the guy finds a singing frog but it doesn't perform for anyone else and sends the guy spiraling down. I know the paranormal has sent many people there too out of frustration and people pretty well calling them insane when they aren't. As I said I don't expect or care whether others believe it, I can't. It's also why it can't be captured, measured or proved and in my opinion, never will. I've never seen a pic or film that I thought was something genuinely paranormal.

[the13bats]

2 hours ago, joc said:

Superstition really has nothing to do with paranormal.  It has to do with fear.  Plain and simple.  Why wouldn't you walk under a ladder?  Something bad will happen, it's bad luck.  What causes that kind of thinking?  Fear.

Believing in curses and blesses basically.   Who is afraid to be blessed?  No one. But you don't want to be cursed.  Why not?  Fear of being cursed.   It ain't heavy, it's my voodoo.

I knew of a guy years ago who was rather pompous and arrogant he thought he was so much smarter than basically everyone, yet this cat would not drive his car on a Friday the 13th and since his parents supported him he didn't have a job to get to.

Another example, I used to sell lots of classic car parts I specialized in Vette stuff and had a rare part a guy needed badly and when he saw my screen name "the 13 bats" he said he couldnt do business with me that it would be bad luck.

That stuff is fear and some blind relentless holding to paranormal being the only explanation is based on fears.

 

[+joc]

5 hours ago, openozy said:

But that's the thing, it doesn't exist in the natural world, that's why it's called supernatural but somehow, some people get a glimpse of it. It's like that cartoon where the guy finds a singing frog but it doesn't perform for anyone else and sends the guy spiraling down. I know the paranormal has sent many people there too out of frustration and people pretty well calling them insane when they aren't. As I said I don't expect or care whether others believe it, I can't. It's also why it can't be captured, measured or proved and in my opinion, never will. I've never seen a pic or film that I thought was something genuinely paranormal.

The deepest part of the Ocean is approximately 7 miles deep.  Because of technology we now possess, we have been able to explore that depth (via unmanned submarines) and have video proof that living creatures are at the very bottom of the deepest parts of our oceans. 

For most of mans existence, we did not know anything about that depth. But the bottom of the Ocean is real and a part of the natural world.

There is a depth of at the 'bottom' of our physical reality that just doesn't seem to be real either.  It is so deep within the fabric of the natural world that it seems not to be a part of the natural world.  

We don't know that reality, the very essence of our material, world phases in and out of existence constantly, but we think that could very well be happening through interactions on the quantum level.

We have created at least one element that never existed before, but,  for a mere fraction of a second, it did exist. So, I would suppose it is possible for things to phase into existence that don't meet the criteria for continued existence. 

However, when we start believing that x,y and z are the case when we don't really know, then we allow ourselves to live in a reality not based on the truth.  Believe what you wish.  I am just standing on the rock solid ground of what we know.

 

[openozy]

9 minutes ago, joc said:

The deepest part of the Ocean is approximately 7 miles deep.  Because of technology we now possess, we have been able to explore that depth (via unmanned submarines) and have video proof that living creatures are at the very bottom of the deepest parts of our oceans. 

For most of mans existence, we did not know anything about that depth. But the bottom of the Ocean is real and a part of the natural world.

There is a depth of at the 'bottom' of our physical reality that just doesn't seem to be real either.  It is so deep within the fabric of the natural world that it seems not to be a part of the natural world.  

We don't know that reality, the very essence of our material, world phases in and out of existence constantly, but we think that could very well be happening through interactions on the quantum level.

We have created at least one element that never existed before, but,  for a mere fraction of a second, it did exist. So, I would suppose it is possible for things to phase into existence that don't meet the criteria for continued existence. 

However, when we start believing that x,y and z are the case when we don't really know, then we allow ourselves to live in a reality not based on the truth.  Believe what you wish.  I am just standing on the rock solid ground of what we know.

 

Great post joc 👍.

[Abramelin]

On 7/13/2024 at 10:50 PM, Still Waters said:

https://www.higgypop.com/news/what-it-would-be-like-to-be-a-ghost/

 

[Green Devil]

On 7/14/2024 at 2:09 AM, openozy said:

I like the bit about what would happen to ghosts in a global extinction, lol. From a lifetime of interest in this, the most likely theory is that ghosts are just a replay of their life that we sometimes witness, just a picture. They are not beings, their soul or spirit has already left. This means they are not trapped here, our mortal body is the only trap.

I think they're real 

[Green Devil]

On 7/17/2024 at 4:53 PM, papageorge1 said:

My thought is that most of what we typically call ghosts are temporarily earthbound entities that have not yet moved on to the higher afterlife planes. They are typically people with a particularly deep emotional entanglement from their physical life. Contrary to the thinking in most of the article, it is not a permanent state.

Residual hauntings should more be thought of as a non-conscious thoughtform stuck in a loop. The person's consciousness may be active on a higher level.

Cool

I agree

Edited August 3 by Green Devil

[Green Devil]

On 7/23/2024 at 3:22 AM, Hankenhunter said:

Everyone's a skeptic until they aren't. Many skeptics are now changing their minds due to their own experiences. Is it so hard to believe these "ghosts" may be from a different dimension? According to physicists it's very possible.

If you have your own experience you're not skeptic anymore

[TashaMarie]

On 7/16/2024 at 1:43 AM, openozy said:

Everything I say is rational but not to the unaware. Not interested in your theories bats unless you have concrete evidence 👍.

A little harsh considering no one on this forum has provided anything close to concrete evidence yourself included.

[openozy]

1 hour ago, TashaMarie said:

A little harsh considering no one on this forum has provided anything close to concrete evidence yourself included.

I was being cheeky. 

[TashaMarie]

7 hours ago, openozy said:

I was being cheeky. 

In that case as you were.

[Lucia62]

On 7/13/2024 at 4:50 PM, Still Waters said:

https://www.higgypop.com/news/what-it-would-be-like-to-be-a-ghost/

 

[Mr.UFO]

One theory is that ghosts don't know that they're dead. I can understand that if they just died. But I think a ghost would figure out that they're dead within a few hours -- if ghosts exist.

[Fogwalker]

My working idea is that ghosts, are "some of the person" they were. Like on a gradient being only about 65% of the person they were before, akin to a person who has suffered Depersonalization Disorder or some other form of trauma. It's them, but not as rich or well defined. I hate to use it but almost the term Flanderization. The big personality points stay but the softer finer details are washed out and forgotten. 

[TashaMarie]

On 7/14/2024 at 2:09 AM, openozy said:

I like the bit about what would happen to ghosts in a global extinction, lol. From a lifetime of interest in this, the most likely theory is that ghosts are just a replay of their life that we sometimes witness, just a picture. They are not beings, their soul or spirit has already left. This means they are not trapped here, our mortal body is the only trap.

Interesting choice of wording being "trapped" in our mortal body.

Edited September 4 by TashaMarie

[TashaMarie]

On 7/25/2024 at 11:58 PM, openozy said:

So you think everyone that dies lives in eternal torment? If that's the case I can see how religions have so much power. Not buying it.

Well no they are dead they would live in anything at all.

[openozy]

22 minutes ago, TashaMarie said:

Interesting choice of wording being "trapped" in our mortal body.

Just a theory.

 

23 minutes ago, TashaMarie said:

Well no they are dead they would live in anything at all.

Exactly.

[jethrofloyd]

Well, I dunno what it would be like. But, I'm sure if I were a ghost I would never like to meet the original Ghostbusters.

[Green Devil]