Unusual Tournament Posted July 17 #26 Share Posted July 17 On 7/17/2024 at 5:46 AM, Grim Reaper 6 said: I believe it would be nearly impossible to cover up long term, I am certain that whistleblowers would come out of the woodwork. JIMHO I thought they have and continue to? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Reaper 6 Posted July 17 #27 Share Posted July 17 4 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said: I thought they have and continue to? I don’t think any coverups have taken place, because I don’t believe they could stop it from being leaked. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preacherman76 Posted July 17 #28 Share Posted July 17 9 minutes ago, Golden Duck said: Well you dodged Grey's question, and shift the burden on to me. No matter. I have shoulders. I don't believe David McBride is crazy or a liar. Now can you answer Grey's question to the same level of detail? No I can’t. I don’t care at all about whistleblowers. I don’t even know who David McBride is. Not a subject I care at all about. I’ve just observed what were respected individuals turned “crazy, or liars” when they blew the whistle. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unusual Tournament Posted July 17 #29 Share Posted July 17 Just now, Grim Reaper 6 said: I don’t think any coverups have taken place, because I don’t believe they could stop it from being leaked. Well they can’t, I agree. That’s why we have sightings, evidence and whistleblowers. Unfortunately their is a concerted attempt to discredit and attack the subject 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preacherman76 Posted July 17 #30 Share Posted July 17 7 hours ago, Hazzard said: Well, sticking your neck out claiming that alien spacecraft is here on Earth with no corroborating scientific proof... What the hell did they expect??? I don’t know what they expected. It’s not like I’m defending them. Point still stands though. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preacherman76 Posted July 17 #31 Share Posted July 17 8 minutes ago, Grim Reaper 6 said: I don’t think any coverups have taken place, because I don’t believe they could stop it from being leaked. Hey Grim. You could be right. I’m not sure I agree though. They probably have levels of secrecy that once high enough would never see the light of day. Consequences would just be to deep. I think they have tons of secrets on all kinds of subjects. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unusual Tournament Posted July 17 #32 Share Posted July 17 7 hours ago, Hazzard said: Well, sticking your neck out claiming that alien spacecraft is here on Earth with no corroborating scientific proof... What the hell did they expect??? People used to think stones falling outta the sky was a supernatural event up until the 1700. Until someone saw, followed and found a meteorite. You’re on the wrong side of science my friend 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Duck Posted July 17 #33 Share Posted July 17 6 minutes ago, preacherman76 said: No I can’t. I don’t care at all about whistleblowers. I don’t even know who David McBride is. Not a subject I care at all about. I’ve just observed what were respected individuals turned “crazy, or liars” when they blew the whistle. A respected individual that you don't care about and can't name. OK. So vague assertions of "all these whistleblowers" from anonymous users on a discussion forum confirms that an organisation that utulised crowdsourced distributed computing was involved in a cover up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preacherman76 Posted July 17 #34 Share Posted July 17 44 minutes ago, Trelane said: I don't . I just ask very specific questions that many "whistleblowers" and their defenders can't answer. I don't call them names. I just disregard their unfounded statements. You go further than I do. I don’t pay any attention to them at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Duck Posted July 17 #35 Share Posted July 17 (edited) 5 minutes ago, preacherman76 said: Hey Grim. You could be right. I’m not sure I agree though. They probably have levels of secrecy that once high enough would never see the light of day. Consequences would just be to deep. I think they have tons of secrets on all kinds of subjects. SETI crowdsourded their computing power for over two decades. There are no levels of secrecy. Edited July 17 by Golden Duck 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preacherman76 Posted July 17 #36 Share Posted July 17 Just now, Golden Duck said: A respected individual that you don't care about and can't name. OK. So vague assertions of "all these whistleblowers" from anonymous users on a discussion forum confirms that an organisation that utulised crowdsourced distributed computing was involved in a cover up. It’s just what I’ve noticed here over the years. Heck my boy Piney not long ago was disappointed in seeing one of the names, because right up till then, he respected his work. Can’t recall the guys name, cause you know, I don’t care. It was just an observation. Take it or leave it. It’s all the same to me. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Reaper 6 Posted July 17 #37 Share Posted July 17 9 minutes ago, preacherman76 said: Hey Grim. You could be right. I’m not sure I agree though. They probably have levels of secrecy that once high enough would never see the light of day. Consequences would just be to deep. I think they have tons of secrets on all kinds of subjects. You may certainly be right, I was only offering my opinion of the situation! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Duck Posted July 17 #38 Share Posted July 17 (edited) 5 minutes ago, preacherman76 said: It’s just what I’ve noticed here over the years. Heck my boy Piney not long ago was disappointed in seeing one of the names, because right up till then, he respected his work. Can’t recall the guys name, cause you know, I don’t care. It was just an observation. Take it or leave it. It’s all the same to me. Choosing to offer an evavsive answer to a question you don't care about, is amusing behaviour. Maybe you should have just accepted that laughing emoji, and not try to make it about me. Edited July 17 by Golden Duck 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Reaper 6 Posted July 17 #39 Share Posted July 17 18 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said: Well they can’t, I agree. That’s why we have sightings, evidence and whistleblowers. Unfortunately their is a concerted attempt to discredit and attack the subject I agree with that, they especially discredit the observer this is why many pilots don’t report what they think they saw. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted July 17 #40 Share Posted July 17 11 minutes ago, preacherman76 said: It’s just what I’ve noticed here over the years. Heck my boy Piney not long ago was disappointed in seeing one of the names, because right up till then, he respected his work. Can’t recall the guys name, cause you know, I don’t care. It was just an observation. Take it or leave it. It’s all the same to me. Refresh my memory. That was pre-stroke. I vaguely remember that. Just not the name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preacherman76 Posted July 17 #41 Share Posted July 17 4 minutes ago, Piney said: Refresh my memory. That was pre-stroke. I vaguely remember that. Just not the name. Ahh man, it was a few weeks ago. If I get some time I’ll look it up. You ok man?? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preacherman76 Posted July 17 #42 Share Posted July 17 13 minutes ago, Golden Duck said: Choosing to offer an evavsive answer to a question you don't care about, is amusing behaviour. At least you got something out of it. 😉 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted July 17 #43 Share Posted July 17 Just now, preacherman76 said: Ahh man, it was a few weeks ago. If I get some time I’ll look it up. You ok man?? I have no desire to get intoxicated or wreck anything but I still get the grief waves dropping me. I've been hanging with two other recent widowers so we give each other suggestions and sound off to each other You might be thinking of Avi Loeb when he started waving around steamship sperules before consulting a geologist. He was somebody who's work I respected. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAnderson Posted July 17 #44 Share Posted July 17 48 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said: Yeah society is geared towards scepticism when it comes to UFO’s which makes it intimidating for anyone to come forward or to show an interest in studying the phenomenon. As an example, look at the threads on this board and the constant tension between those that view UFO’s differently. Now multiply that in a social or academic setting and the result speaks for themselves But many do come forward and share their sightings. I have shared mine here and many others have done the same. I happened to have spent a lot of years in academia and colleagues and friends were very open about this subject and about alien life. I was in the maths and physics departments and it's not a surprise to find students and academics who have no problem discussing and accepting it. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAnderson Posted July 17 #45 Share Posted July 17 21 minutes ago, Grim Reaper 6 said: I agree with that, they especially discredit the observer this is why many pilots don’t report what they think they saw. Evident in the threads. Like I said in a post earlier, this kind of 'skepticism' is weaponised to attack and insult people who are open to these ideas. And to discredit them of course. That's the objective. It's not usually successful but is constant @Unusual Tournament 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Area Posted July 17 #46 Share Posted July 17 1 hour ago, MrAnderson said: Evident in the threads. Like I said in a post earlier, this kind of 'skepticism' is weaponised to attack and insult people who are open to these ideas. And to discredit them of course. That's the objective. It's not usually successful but is constant @Unusual Tournament That’s not a particularly fair assessment. When people post a sighting that’s fine, discuss and speculate about the possibilities. What upsets witnesses is when they are offered alternative viewpoints, backed up by a hard science assessment that aliens are very very very unlikely to be visiting us in spacecraft. The issue isn’t that skeptics are unfair in their assessments, it’s that witnesses have already made their minds up, and usually have their head so far down a rabbit hole that doing a U-turn is impossible without losing their face. If people reported sightings with an open mind there would be no issue, the sad truth is, and I do genuinely mean sad, is that all sightings, documented or otherwise, are lacking the one thing required for genuine study, repeatability. Because of this, equally as sad, is this fact opens up the whole area to people out to make a quick buck or a name for themselves. Ironically, it is the true believers that should be casting the most skeptical eye on any claim, because it’s the fakers and profiteerers that shine such a bad light on the subject. To quote Astro-physicist Matt O’Dowd ‘it’s NEVER aliens, until it is.’ 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazzard Posted July 18 #47 Share Posted July 18 3 hours ago, Unusual Tournament said: People used to think stones falling outta the sky was a supernatural event up until the 1700. Until someone saw, followed and found a meteorite. You’re on the wrong side of science my friend Not at all. 😄 You see, what you just have described is people like me, turning to science, looking for a mundane answer (and finding it) to what many believed to be something supernatural and paranormal. Wanna try again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Reaper 6 Posted July 18 #48 Share Posted July 18 3 hours ago, MrAnderson said: Evident in the threads. Like I said in a post earlier, this kind of 'skepticism' is weaponised to attack and insult people who are open to these ideas. And to discredit them of course. That's the objective. It's not usually successful but is constant @Unusual Tournament The reason almost all of these people are discredited is because they are hoaxers and that’s the biggest problem people face even if they have good intentions and information. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unusual Tournament Posted July 18 #49 Share Posted July 18 5 minutes ago, Hazzard said: Not at all. 😄 You see, what you just have described is people like me, turning to science, looking for a mundane answer (and finding it) to what many believed to be something supernatural and paranormal. Wanna try again? Smiley face “not at all” isn’t really an answer to be taken seriously. 😟 I’ve provided a topical example that can be easily understood and researched. 500 years ago you thought the world was flat and calling for Galileo's excommunication and hanging. You haven’t learned anything 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unusual Tournament Posted July 18 #50 Share Posted July 18 @Grim Reaper 6 why are you shadowing posting me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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