Hazzard Posted July 28 #126 Share Posted July 28 (edited) 18 minutes ago, MrAnderson said: Here people are getting attacked and insulted for sharing their view on UFOs. You can't report a sighting here but you can share one. Should we ask again other posters? In case you don't 'believe' me. Edited July 28 by Hazzard 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAnderson Posted July 29 #127 Share Posted July 29 1 hour ago, Hazzard said: I am not moving the goalposts. It's clear easy I have said. You tried to conflate it with reports of UFO sightings. We are not making any reports on this site but it doesn't make any difference. The topic attracts a lot of criticism and attacks against witnesses and posters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Duck Posted July 29 #128 Share Posted July 29 2 hours ago, Hazzard said: If this is true then you should have no problem showing us where this happened - People getting attacked and insulted for reporting a UFO sighting. If you cant then you should withdraw this claim. If Zetorian reads something on the intahwebz its gotta be troo. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAnderson Posted July 29 #129 Share Posted July 29 8 hours ago, Golden Duck said: If Zetorian reads something on the intahwebz its gotta be troo. Please don't call me with other names and don't try to gaslight the posters on this site. It is known that by making reports of UFO sightings there are risks that go together with them. Ridicule and reputation risks are the most common and there is stigma associated with just coming forward to tell your story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Duck Posted July 29 #130 Share Posted July 29 59 minutes ago, MrAnderson said: Please don't call me with other names and don't try to gaslight the posters on this site. It is known that by making reports of UFO sightings there are risks that go together with them. Ridicule and reputation risks are the most common and there is stigma associated with just coming forward to tell your story. I was commenting to another poster about the behaviour of Zetorian. If you are choosing to identify that post was about you, then you are confirming your previous incarnations on this site. There is stigma attached to playing the catfish and spreading bulldust, but that hasn't stopped you. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAnderson Posted July 30 #131 Share Posted July 30 21 hours ago, Golden Duck said: I was commenting to another poster about the behaviour of Zetorian. If you are choosing to identify that post was about you, then you are confirming your previous incarnations on this site. There is stigma attached to playing the catfish and spreading bulldust, but that hasn't stopped you. You were referring to me and you have been doing so on a number of posts. Try not to troll the threads. There is stigma and ridicule associated with reporting UFOs and it's common knowledge. Ridicule and reputation risks are the most common like I said earlier and people may think about not reporting what they saw. The thread is about a mathematician which has shared his opinion on SETI found and didn't tell us. Not everyone is at liberty to make these arguments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trelane Posted July 30 #132 Share Posted July 30 5 hours ago, MrAnderson said: You were referring to me and you have been doing so on a number of posts. Try not to troll the threads. There is stigma and ridicule associated with reporting UFOs and it's common knowledge. Ridicule and reputation risks are the most common like I said earlier and people may think about not reporting what they saw. The thread is about a mathematician which has shared his opinion on SETI found and didn't tell us. Not everyone is at liberty to make these arguments. Just stop, we all know who you are Zetorian. Your charade fell apart a few weeks ago. Get over it. There is no stigma, hence why there's literally hundreds of Youtube channels, podcasts, TV shows and documentaries that all discuss people's experiences and theories about UFOs. Oh yeah, you still haven't answered my quastion from that thread. So stop derailing this one with content not associated Zet. You're getting back to your roots I see, and that's comforting. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAnderson Posted July 30 #133 Share Posted July 30 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Trelane said: Just stop, we all know who you are Zetorian. Your charade fell apart a few weeks ago. Get over it. There is no stigma, hence why there's literally hundreds of Youtube channels, podcasts, TV shows and documentaries that all discuss people's experiences and theories about UFOs. Oh yeah, you still haven't answered my quastion from that thread. So stop derailing this one with content not associated Zet. You're getting back to your roots I see, and that's comforting. Please don't call me with other names. May I remind you that you are taking part in my threads or most threads I have created. It's impossible to 'troll' your threads as you and most 'skeptics: don't create any. Instead you are coming to my threads and the threads made by other posters on the UFO phenomenon and extraterrestrial life. Just because there are UFO YouTube channels and much more attention given in the media and elsewhere doesn't mean the stigma and ridicule are not there or the risk to someone's reputation and even career. These things are not mutually exclusive. The guy who made the video is a mathematician and the conversation we have is very much related to the way professionals choose to state or even mention the phenomenon. This guy doesn't care as there are no implications as it seems to his career. Others will be much more careful especially the younger ones who are not yet established in their fields. But even the established academics will be very careful. Edited July 30 by MrAnderson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazzard Posted July 30 #134 Share Posted July 30 36 minutes ago, MrAnderson said: Please don't call me with other names. You may have opened a new account and changed the name, because the last one was banned from this forum.... But we all know its you, Zetorian. 😄 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAnderson Posted July 31 #135 Share Posted July 31 (edited) 8 hours ago, Hazzard said: You may have opened a new account and changed the name, because the last one was banned from this forum.... But we all know its you, Zetorian. 😄 Try to address the post rather than to guess who I am. It doesn't help the arguments 'skeptics' make in various threads, from slow moving meteors to Hessadalen lights to stars, planets, and weather balloons. Take a look at what your fellow 'skeptic' said above. There is no stigma and ridicule associated with reporting a UFO sighting or discussing it because there are lots of YouTube channels and TV Shows giving attention to the subject. As if these things are mutually exclusive... Edited July 31 by MrAnderson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl.Of.Trumps Posted August 1 #136 Share Posted August 1 On 7/17/2024 at 10:37 PM, Grim Reaper 6 said: That was the sign of the times, and today unless someone can prove otherwise it was a weather ballon! In 1991, the USAF was asked to reopen the investigation of Roswell and they changed the balloon to a "spy balloon" . you're stuck now, bud My opinion as to why they made the change is because it was *proven* not to be a weather balloon long ago. +1 for the tinfoil hatters 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl.Of.Trumps Posted August 1 #137 Share Posted August 1 On 7/18/2024 at 2:38 AM, Grey Area said: Fravor did not whistleblow, he gave evidence and drew no conclusions, simply stating he did not know what he encountered. that's the perfect answer for seeing a UFO,"I don't know". He also said that when he went closer to examine it, the UFO took off like it was shot out of a gun. And of course, you see nothing of interest here, right? no chance AT ALL that this an Alien controlled UFO? Just as I thought 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl.Of.Trumps Posted August 1 #138 Share Posted August 1 On 7/18/2024 at 6:18 AM, Hazzard said: Another perfect example of a poster that has a problem with reading and understanding. Why would anyone be skeptical to UAPs.. we all know they exist!!?? ya, really? Name one UFO incident discussed here at UM that sceptics generally believed was a UFO Bon chance 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Reaper 6 Posted August 1 #139 Share Posted August 1 33 minutes ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said: In 1991, the USAF was asked to reopen the investigation of Roswell and they changed the balloon to a "spy balloon" . you're stuck now, bud My opinion as to why they made the change is because it was *proven* not to be a weather balloon long ago. +1 for the tinfoil hatters Well, you’re welcome to your opinion but the Airforce didn’t change the story much. Here is a thread I recently started, it basically lists all the declassified documents on UFOs and UAPs including the Roswell Incident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Area Posted August 1 #140 Share Posted August 1 5 hours ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said: that's the perfect answer for seeing a UFO,"I don't know". Yes it is, it’s kinda implied quite heavily by the designation UFO. 5 hours ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said: He also said that when he went closer to examine it, the UFO took off like it was shot out of a gun. Well maybe, not sure that was how he actually described it. In an interview I have seen he said ‘poof, it was gone’. Whether he means it accelerated away very fast, or that it literally disappeared I couldn’t say. 5 hours ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said: And of course, you see nothing of interest here, right? Of course it’s interesting, what an odd question. But at this point it’s interesting like my favourite song on repeat, the interest diminishes with each consecutive listen. 5 hours ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said: no chance AT ALL that this an Alien controlled UFO? It could be, it could not be. At this point in time it’s Schrödinger’s Cat. 5 hours ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said: Just as I thought Sorry my Psychic powers are on a break atm, what did you think? 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAnderson Posted August 1 #141 Share Posted August 1 7 hours ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said: ya, really? Name one UFO incident discussed here at UM that sceptics generally believed was a UFO Bon chance They have tried to argue everything is just misidentifications, meteors, planets, stars, balloons and even Hassdalen lights or swamp gas. That's not compatible with the descriptions and accounts by radar operators, pilots, and various observers on the ground. These explanations were the efforts to explain away the phenomenon which cannot be explained away. The US Government admits there are genuine UFOs of unknown origin. I made the comment elsewhere but Hassdalen lights?! This is a natural phenomenon confined in a small geographical area in Norway. Stars and meteors don't travel at low speeds, don't change direction, don't hover above the ground. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Area Posted August 1 #142 Share Posted August 1 (edited) 10 hours ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said: ya, really? Name one UFO incident discussed here at UM that sceptics generally believed was a UFO This makes no sense. As a skeptic, I hereby proclaim that all UFO sightings are Unidentified Flying Objects. Though I suspect that was not what you meant, feel free to correct me. Edited August 1 by Grey Area 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Area Posted August 1 #143 Share Posted August 1 3 hours ago, MrAnderson said: They have tried to argue everything is just misidentifications, meteors, planets, stars, balloons and even Hassdalen lights or swamp gas. That's not compatible with the descriptions and accounts by radar operators, pilots, and various observers on the ground. Well, to quote the late great Arthur Conan Doyle, 'Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable must be the truth'. 3 hours ago, MrAnderson said: These explanations were the efforts to explain away the phenomenon which cannot be explained away. The US Government admits there are genuine UFOs of unknown origin. But they cannot be explained either. It's fine to maintain an 'unexplained' position, but quite amusingly, that is literally the skeptics position. Welcome to the club, and this is a recurring issue with your posts, you are all about the bad skeptics, but you are also a skeptic, as whenever a skeptic responds directly to you about how a sighting is not alien, you respond with this, Unidentified mantra, with no claim to the contrary. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazzard Posted August 1 #144 Share Posted August 1 1 hour ago, Grey Area said: But they cannot be explained either. It's fine to maintain an 'unexplained' position, but quite amusingly, that is literally the skeptics position. Welcome to the club, and this is a recurring issue with your posts, you are all about the bad skeptics, but you are also a skeptic, as whenever a skeptic responds directly to you about how a sighting is not alien, you respond with this, Unidentified mantra, with no claim to the contrary. Excellent post, my friend. 🍺 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl.Of.Trumps Posted August 2 #145 Share Posted August 2 14 hours ago, Grey Area said: This makes no sense. As a skeptic, I hereby proclaim that all UFO sightings are Unidentified Flying Objects. Though I suspect that was not what you meant, feel free to correct me. Oh,,, it makes no sense. I see, Let me list a few examples to help clear it up. The UFO's in Phoenix Lights were flares, the UFO in Battle of LA was a weather balloon, the 4 UFO's in Salem Harbor 1952 were reflections, the UFO in Roswell was a weather balloon, the UFO's in the Westall School, Australia case were HIBAL balloons, - and there are many more. None of those objects are unidentified. hope I made it clear 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Duck Posted August 2 #146 Share Posted August 2 3 hours ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said: Oh,,, it makes no sense. I see, Let me list a few examples to help clear it up. The UFO's in Phoenix Lights were flares, the UFO in Battle of LA was a weather balloon, the 4 UFO's in Salem Harbor 1952 were reflections, the UFO in Roswell was a weather balloon, the UFO's in the Westall School, Australia case were HIBAL balloons, - and there are many more. None of those objects are unidentified. hope I made it clear HIBAL balloons are a far more likely explanation, of the Westall Incident, than alienz. But, the in ident will remain a UFO as nothing will ever be identified. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Area Posted August 2 #147 Share Posted August 2 5 hours ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said: Oh,,, it makes no sense. I see, Let me list a few examples to help clear it up. The UFO's in Phoenix Lights were flares, the UFO in Battle of LA was a weather balloon, the 4 UFO's in Salem Harbor 1952 were reflections, the UFO in Roswell was a weather balloon, the UFO's in the Westall School, Australia case were HIBAL balloons, - and there are many more. None of those objects are unidentified. hope I made it clear So all of those objects are explained, have been identified beyond doubt? So for each one, you can explain what they are. Put your money where your mouth is. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl.Of.Trumps Posted August 2 #148 Share Posted August 2 16 hours ago, Golden Duck said: HIBAL balloons are a far more likely explanation, of the Westall Incident, than alienz. But, the in ident will remain a UFO as nothing will ever be identified. This is a perfect example of twisting facts so you can get the outcome that you desire. Now, try paying attention to the FACTS Of the 300+ eyewitnesses, NOBODY saw a huge balloon with its 100 meter diameter. The gov said it was a HIBAL balloon but how could they know that. since there were no government witnesses present until after the fact. So please tell me, why aren't the words of the witnesses meaningful?? Is that because their story disappoints you? You have twisted the facts of this case. the objects were 10-15 feet, much much smaller than a HIBAL. BTW, I know you believe that the HIBAL dropped off its 200 lb. black box, enabling the balloon to fly away. Ok... SO WHERE IS THE BLACK BOX ?? you lose. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl.Of.Trumps Posted August 2 #149 Share Posted August 2 14 hours ago, Grey Area said: So all of those objects are explained, have been identified beyond doubt? So for each one, you can explain what they are. Put your money where your mouth is. I'll take the eyewitness accounts in all of them. and I won't bet something against nothing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Duck Posted August 2 #150 Share Posted August 2 3 minutes ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said: This is a perfect example of twisting facts so you can get the outcome that you desire. Now, try paying attention to the FACTS Of the 300+ eyewitnesses, NOBODY saw a huge balloon with its 100 meter diameter. The gov said it was a HIBAL balloon but how could they know that. since there were no government witnesses present until after the fact. So please tell me, why aren't the words of the witnesses meaningful?? Is that because their story disappoints you? You have twisted the facts of this case. the objects were 10-15 feet, much much smaller than a HIBAL. BTW, I know you believe that the HIBAL dropped off its 200 lb. black box, enabling the balloon to fly away. Ok... SO WHERE IS THE BLACK BOX ?? you lose. Stop projecting for once Earl. You've been presented with the facts of how that Program was run. Government employees from The Department Of Supply chased the balloons as they landed. The balloon really is the best guess and alligns with the records of the time. You chose to listen to storiea from a lifetime later because that feeds your fantasies. Real investigators know the importance of taking notes closest to the time of the event. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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