Reminder of what life was like under Donald Trump

[+DieChecker]

38 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said:

Happy to mate

Biden added 4.3 trillion. About half of what Trump added and kick started the economy after Covid. Very impressive if you ask me

https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/presidential-debate-how-much-debt-grow-under-biden-trump-terms.amp

Well, according to other sources on the internet, that's simply not true, and manipulative reporting.

Trump did spend 8.2 trillion dollars. almost half of which was for Covid relief.

Biden spent 4.8 trillion between 2021 and 2023. Twice what Trump spent in his first two years.

Public debt U.S. 2023 | Statista

28.4 to 33.2 is 4.8 trillion. Under Biden.

Currently National Debt is 

Here is a Republican House rebuttal to the report you referenced.

FACT CHECK ALERT: Debunking CRFB’s Analysis of Trump and Biden Impacts on the National Debt | The U.S. House Committee on the Budget - House Budget Committee

 

U.S. National Debt by President (thebalancemoney.com)

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In January 2023, the nation hit the $31.4 trillion debt limit Congress passed in 2021.5
Department of Treasury. "Secretary of the Treasury Janet L. Yellen Sends Letter to Congressional Leadership on the Debt Limit."

 Ultimately, lawmakers negotiated a deal to suspend the nation's $31.4 trillion borrowing limit until January 2025.

As of July 2024, the national debt has risen to nearly $35 trillion. 

That's 3.6 trillion in a year and a half. Probably 4.25 trillion by 2025. That's just facts. That's not including Jan 2021 to 2023. 

Biden is as bad, or worse than Trump. Which is saying something.

Edited July 19 by DieChecker

[+DieChecker]

28 minutes ago, Unusual Tournament said:

Interesting graph and I don’t doubt the figures. The comparison is Trump and Biden.

Fair enough. I'm personally not going to worry over a tiny bump in an obvious downward trend.

[psyche101]

29 minutes ago, the13bats said:

But but but magaT insists it was better across the board than ever before with convicted felon man in charge.

 

Fifty million + spent on a stolen election lie. 

 

Maga is soft on corporate crime. Trump should be paying that back to taxpayers.

[+and-then]

I am SO looking forward to him being re-elected.  The Left has nothing to run on except a joke of candidate who kackles at every opportunity and spews word salads that she somehow thinks make her sound profound.  Her VP isn't going to matter, IMO.  Whoever they choose will likely be as big a throwaway as she is.  

The real question is, what will those like the crowd here, do in response to Orange Man Badder being inaugurated again?  I wonder if the National Guard will be in DC that day?

[Grim Reaper 6]

4 minutes ago, and-then said:

I am SO looking forward to him being re-elected.  The Left has nothing to run on except a joke of candidate who kackles at every opportunity and spews word salads that she somehow thinks make her sound profound.  Her VP isn't going to matter, IMO.  Whoever they choose will likely be as big a throwaway as she is.  

The real question is, what will those like the crowd here, do in response to Orange Man Badder being inaugurated again?  I wonder if the National Guard will be in DC that day?

I don’t think the National Guard will be needed, I will bet you anything that the Democrats will not storm the Capitol or have anti government rallies in the Capital. I suppose time will tell but I don’t except any of the drama that occurred one January 6, 2021.

JIMHO

[+and-then]

12 minutes ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

I suppose time will tell but I don’t except any of the drama that occurred one January 6, 2021.

Do you recall how Democrats reacted to his first inauguration?  It was far more extensive and destructive than what happened on J6.

https://www.cnn.com/2017/01/19/politics/trump-inauguration-protests-womens-march/index.html

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-inauguration-protest-damages-downtown-washington/

https://www.reuters.com/article/world/uk/violence-flares-in-washington-during-trump-inauguration-idUSKBN1550CW/

I base my concerns on how they behaved for the entire 4 years of his presidency PLUS the steps they've taken to stop him from running, then to stop him from winning.  I hope I'm wrong but I sincerely doubt I will be.

[+and-then]

One of Trump's strongest selling points will be reminding people what his presidency looked like prior to Covid.  Mock it if ya like, but watch it motivate voters  

[Grim Reaper 6]

10 minutes ago, and-then said:

Do you recall how Democrats reacted to his first inauguration?  It was far more extensive and destructive than what happened on J6.

https://www.cnn.com/2017/01/19/politics/trump-inauguration-protests-womens-march/index.html

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-inauguration-protest-damages-downtown-washington/

https://www.reuters.com/article/world/uk/violence-flares-in-washington-during-trump-inauguration-idUSKBN1550CW/

I base my concerns on how they behaved for the entire 4 years of his presidency PLUS the steps they've taken to stop him from running, then to stop him from winning.  I hope I'm wrong but I sincerely doubt I will be.

Time will tell, I suppose we will have to wait and see.

[Grim Reaper 6]

9 minutes ago, and-then said:

One of Trump's strongest selling points will be reminding people what his presidency looked like prior to Covid.  Mock it if ya like, but watch it motivate voters  

That’s a great idea, because once COVID occurred he would not except the serious nature of dire consequences he would face. But to be fair he was responsible for Operation Warp Speed, however outside of that in my opinion he dropped the freakin ball in the early days of the Pandemic which cost America many lives.

[+DieChecker]

2 hours ago, DieChecker said:

Fair enough. I'm personally not going to worry over a tiny bump in an obvious downward trend.

@Unusual Tournament

Oh, and to add...

That was the year of the George Floyd riots and Defund the Police...

So a bump in violent crime might not be too unusual.

[the13bats]

33 minutes ago, Grim Reaper 6 said:

That’s a great idea, because once COVID occurred he would not except the serious nature of dire consequences he would face. But to be fair he was responsible for Operation Warp Speed, however outside of that in my opinion he dropped the freakin ball in the early days of the Pandemic which cost America many lives.

And held back Intel from the American people costing countless lives

[the13bats]

Each day under convicted felon man I wondered how would his incompetent embarrass the country and cost lives, I saw how the American people gave him the boot 2020 voted him right out, 2024 isn't a BOM comeback tour it's the fairwell and good riddance with another humiliation and loss for him as the American people want him back far less now than 2020.

[Grim Reaper 6]

30 minutes ago, the13bats said:

And held back Intel from the American people costing countless lives

Yes he did and as long as I am a live I will never forget it.

[Grim Reaper 6]

28 minutes ago, the13bats said:

Each day under convicted felon man I wondered how would his incompetent embarrass the country and cost lives, I saw how the American people gave him the boot 2020 voted him right out, 2024 isn't a BOM comeback tour it's the fairwell and good riddance with another humiliation and loss for him as the American people want him back far less now than 2020.

Hopefully your right Bats 🦇 but I am certainly not as confident as you are Biden could be in a nursing home by November and there is no one to replace them.

[+DieChecker]

1 hour ago, the13bats said:

And held back Intel from the American people costing countless lives

Im not sure he held intel back, so much as he held back those trying to get things done. And then, later, just got stupid about Covid.

The first spike happened so fast, there was nothing to be done. Even Fausi in January said it wasnt going to be too bad. It wasnt till March, when people were dying everywhere, that Fausi flipped his recommendations. Too late by then.

The second spike Trump has to own. But I think that was incompetence, failure of enforcement perhaps, rather then holding anything back. He'd already signed 4 trillion in aid, and lock downs were everywhere, and the Warp Speed was already rolling.

The third and fourth spikes were on Biden's dime. As many died there with two close spikes, as that big second spike. And we all knew what was what by then...

The old people, and the major co-morbidities, with the vaccines and boosters out, had been told they were safe now... so cane out of hiding... but not as safe as they believed, or were told.

Edited July 19 by DieChecker

[acidhead]

@DieChecker  You are correct in your accessment of the data. 

Here's the the USA's Covid Deaths graph side by side with Canada's Covid Deaths graph. 

They are virtually identical.  (most countries around the world looked similar) 

.. USA  ---->

 

.. Canada ---->

[Gromdor]

6 hours ago, DieChecker said:

Well, according to other sources on the internet, that's simply not true, and manipulative reporting.

Trump did spend 8.2 trillion dollars. almost half of which was for Covid relief.

Biden spent 4.8 trillion between 2021 and 2023. Twice what Trump spent in his first two years.

Public debt U.S. 2023 | Statista

28.4 to 33.2 is 4.8 trillion. Under Biden.

Currently National Debt is 

Here is a Republican House rebuttal to the report you referenced.

FACT CHECK ALERT: Debunking CRFB’s Analysis of Trump and Biden Impacts on the National Debt | The U.S. House Committee on the Budget - House Budget Committee

 

U.S. National Debt by President (thebalancemoney.com)

That's 3.6 trillion in a year and a half. Probably 4.25 trillion by 2025. That's just facts. That's not including Jan 2021 to 2023. 

Biden is as bad, or worse than Trump. Which is saying something.

You can't just go by the overall total change for a president's contribution to the national debt.  Interest increases it every year all on it's own.  We currently have 3.3% interest on it yearly for $1,047,720,000.00.  (So about a trillion dollars a year is added just for interest). U.S. Passes $1 Trillion Quarterly Interest On The Public Debt (forbes.com)

We can only really credit a president with what they personally signed legislation on.  (We also need to remember that it is congress that has power of the purse).

If you really want to be scared-  Consider in 10 years or so the possibility that we can be spending $4-8 trillion on just interest alone.

Edit to add:  Presidents can also sign legislation that adds to the debt yearly past their term-  Trump and his tax cuts for instance.

Edited July 19 by Gromdor

[Gromdor]

2 hours ago, acidhead said:

@DieChecker  You are correct in your accessment of the data. 

Here's the the USA's Covid Deaths graph side by side with Canada's Covid Deaths graph. 

They are virtually identical.  (most countries around the world looked similar) 

.. USA  ---->

 

.. Canada ---->

The spikes are similar but the number of deaths for Canada is way lower than the US.  Canada has 1/10 the population of the US so we can factor that in.  Looks like you peaked at the 15 category twice and passed it once.  We almost reached it or far supassed it 4 times.

I'm going to google over all death rates: COVID-19 pandemic death rates by country - Wikipedia

Yeah, Canada did way better than the US.  We had 3514 deaths/million whereas you had 1432 deaths/million.

Canada handled COVID twice a better than the US.

[Gromdor]

5 hours ago, and-then said:

Do you recall how Democrats reacted to his first inauguration?  It was far more extensive and destructive than what happened on J6.

https://www.cnn.com/2017/01/19/politics/trump-inauguration-protests-womens-march/index.html

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-inauguration-protest-damages-downtown-washington/

https://www.reuters.com/article/world/uk/violence-flares-in-washington-during-trump-inauguration-idUSKBN1550CW/

I base my concerns on how they behaved for the entire 4 years of his presidency PLUS the steps they've taken to stop him from running, then to stop him from winning.  I hope I'm wrong but I sincerely doubt I will be.

Whoever the president is, is president of all the people.  If they riot because of him, it is still under his leadership (or lack of).  You should take this into account when selecting a leader.

It would be like me saying, you can't count crime under "X" because it was done by criminals and not his followers.  

[Gromdor]

But back to the subject.  I remember empty grocery shelves, $15/roll toilet paper, refrigeration corpse cars in our cities, our local farmers being sad because they couldn't sell pork and soy to China, our farmers being happy because they got cut fat checks (coming from our national debt) from Trump to stop them from going bankrupt because they couldn't sell pork or soy to China, our cities burning due to riots, everyone out of work except for me and other essential personnel, paying a man who blatantly steered government money straight into his own pocket, essential positions in our military, law enforcement, and government vacant because someone fired anyone that dared speak against or refused his whims, and basically every measureable number of our economics being worse off at the end of a presidential term than before it started.

I remember a man with a truck covered in Trump stickers mailing out bombs.  I remember a man with a flag arrested after a shoot out in a Trump Golf course.  I remember Epstien mysteriously dead at a prison controlled by the DoJ.  I remember a man wanting to turn a place where Epstein recruited multiple girls (and most likely committed sexual crimes against) into a second White House where $200,000.00 will get you access to the president and any top secret material he wants to show off (Mar a lago).  I remember Saudis renting an enire floor of a hotel owned by a president whose lawyers say he didn't swear to follow the Constituition and ignores the emoulments clause.

I can go on.

Edited July 19 by Gromdor

[Myles]

Biden has spent over $600 billion on paying off student debt for people who live beyond their means.  I have 2 daughters who graduated college with zero student debt and the did not get a thing.  Worked their asses off for nothing.  

[Gromdor]

3 minutes ago, Myles said:

Biden has spent over $600 billion on paying off student debt for people who live beyond their means.  I have 2 daughters who graduated college with zero student debt and the did not get a thing.  Worked their asses off for nothing.  

Which brings up the question- do we only do things that benefit the individual or do we do things that benefit America?

[CrimsonKing]

1 hour ago, Gromdor said:

Which brings up the question- do we only do things that benefit the individual or do we do things that benefit America?

I'd want to know how many of those student debts were on worthless degrees before establishing that they were a benefit to America...

Far to many liberal arts "experts" with degrees working in the fast food field now days...I've talked to a few.

[Gromdor]

9 minutes ago, CrimsonKing said:

I'd want to know how many of those student debts were on worthless degrees before establishing that they were a benefit to America...

Far to many liberal arts "experts" with degrees working in the fast food field now days...I've talked to a few.

Google tells me that 52% of college graduates are "under employed" meaning they are working jobs that don't make meaningful use of their degrees.

Having that 52% that aren't working what their degrees are for isn't really good for the country- especially compounded with student debt.  They are people basically stuck in "consumer" class with so much debt that they can't even do that.  It's a dead end.

[CrimsonKing]

2 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

Google tells me that 52% of college graduates are "under employed" meaning they are working jobs that don't make meaningful use of their degrees.

Having that 52% that aren't working what their degrees are for isn't really good for the country- especially compounded with student debt.  They are people basically stuck in "consumer" class with so much debt that they can't even do that.  It's a dead end.

Many can't get jobs that their degrees are for because those "fields" aren't really necessary for a country to function...

They would have been much better off and probably had money left over compared to their degree if they had just went to a trade school and became a plumber...

They'd be doing something of everyday concern,and be making a hell of a lot more money than slinging burgers at drive through.

Why should taxpayers be on the hook because little Sally and Johnny made a poor decision?